"No nation could preserve it's freedom in the midst of continual warfare"

James Madison

(04-08-2011 08:49 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  "No nation could preserve it's freedom in the midst of continual warfare"

James Madison

Internal or external?

(04-08-2011 09:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-08-2011 08:49 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  "No nation could preserve it's freedom in the midst of continual warfare"

James Madison

Internal or external?

Yes...both are tearing us down.

I'd submit though that Madison had no problem with debate and not letting any one faction dominate that debate. He was the main writer of the Federalist Papers and wanted the checks and balances we are "supposed" to have. We all know that system now has been subverted by men who have a lust for power..not achieving the common good for America.

If I remember correctly before the 12th Amendment the top two vote getters became pres and VP. I sometimes wonder if that was the better way to go, this way no one party has too much control - things might not get done but that's often better than things getting done.

(04-09-2011 11:52 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  If I remember correctly before the 12th Amendment the top two vote getters became pres and VP. I sometimes wonder if that was the better way to go, this way no one party has too much control - things might not get done but that's often better than things getting done.

Checks and Balances have been torn down off and on throughout our history. From what you've said to the popular election of Senators, our government has been altered with no real benefit towards us. It probably started with political parties.

I am meek and gentle with these butchers.

(04-09-2011 02:38 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  I am meek and gentle with these butchers.

There's a sucker born every minute....PT Barnum.