MJS, your comment reminds me of the old Abe Lincoln lawyer story. When cross examining a witness against his client accused of biting a man's ear off, Abe was able to establish that the witness was a good way away, did not have a great view and its was at night. Then ole Abe asked one question too many when he asked how the witness could be sure of what he testified to. The response was "I saw him spit it out."

That stop by stAte and the subsequent fould by Boozeman left ualr in a very difficult situation. It did not end the game, but nearly so. The ualr player was understandable frustrated. The consensus is that Boozman did not kick Rashad or knee him in the face. But it seems as though he did step over him in a threatening and unnecessary manner that was uncalled for and merited the technical. Rashad should have either stayed down or walked away and he did not and merited his technical. While a double tech is an easy way out, in this case it probably was the right call.

Really can't let you get away with "I didn't see Solo do anything, but saw the ASU kid in his face jawing". Not another evil Woof.

I will accept that the ualr coach was out there to prevent further escalation and to protect his players. He was, however, visably agitated and bumped the official pretty hard. I don't doubt that is was not on purpose but I was not surprised when the T flew immediatly.

Frustration by ualr, high emotions by everyone. We are probably luck nothing worse happened over what really did not amount to very much.

(02-27-2011 05:39 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(02-27-2011 05:04 PM)hb8 Wrote:  Maybe thats why he mentioned it.

The CSS announcers thought it was a travesty that Steve got a technical. They showed the replay a few times where Steve seemed to be trying to pull his players off the court and away from the situation that had developed. I didn't see Solo do anything, but saw the ASU kid in his face jawing.

Bozeman went out of his way to try and do that step over the player on the ground move that you see alot in the NBA. It was a ridiculously idiotic decision by a senior You have to know when you do that that the player is going to react, leading to forcing the officials hands.

The other reason it made no sense is UALR was down 5 at the time, and was barely hanging on in the game, Bozeman gave it away

as for Shields I believe there is a rule that any contact with an official is an autoatmic technical foul

(02-27-2011 06:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-27-2011 05:39 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(02-27-2011 05:04 PM)hb8 Wrote:  Maybe thats why he mentioned it.

The CSS announcers thought it was a travesty that Steve got a technical. They showed the replay a few times where Steve seemed to be trying to pull his players off the court and away from the situation that had developed. I didn't see Solo do anything, but saw the ASU kid in his face jawing.

Bozeman went out of his way to try and do that step over the player on the ground move that you see alot in the NBA. It was a ridiculously idiotic decision by a senior You have to know when you do that that the player is going to react, leading to forcing the officials hands.

The other reason it made no sense is UALR was down 5 at the time, and was barely hanging on in the game, Bozeman gave it away

as for Shields I believe there is a rule that any contact with an official is an autoatmic technical foul

It was a poor decision.

Just finished watching the game. It look to me that Bozeman intentionally put his foot out and tripped Allison. Then he walked over by him and raised his knee up to Allison face. I root for our team but that was uncalled for on Bozeman part. He could have seriously hurt Allison if he fell the wrong way. The only thing I could figure the reason he did that is because Bozeman felt he got fouled on the loose ball scramble before the incident. If anybody recorded the game take a look at it in slow motion, you can see the trip.

The ref should have not grabbed Shields. Shields was clearly trying to get his players. He shouldn't been called for a tech. I don't think I ever seen a ref pull on a coach before.

I would be surprised if refs didn't pull on coaches all the time when a situation looked like it was getting out of hand. The ref probably thought Steve was going to add to the problem, and had to make a quick decision, which could have been right and could have been wrong. I did see an official bodily escort Brady back to the bench with his hands around Brady's waist, so it does happen.

(02-27-2011 07:35 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  I would be surprised if refs didn't pull on coaches all the time when a situation looked like it was getting out of hand. The ref probably thought Steve was going to add to the problem, and had to make a quick decision, which could have been right and could have been wrong. I did see an official bodily escort Brady back to the bench with his hands around Brady's waist, so it does happen.

Shields had already been jawing with the officials just as the half ended, and was jawing with the ASU fans, who were giving him hell as he went by the fans on his way to the dressing room. They love giving him hell, and he plays right into their hands. They seemed to hate Newell too, but he would just smile at them. He loved it for the visiting fans to get on him.

(02-27-2011 06:22 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  The ref should have not grabbed Shields. Shields was clearly trying to get his players. He shouldn't been called for a tech. I don't think I ever seen a ref pull on a coach before.

Ray and Vint were commenting that you just do not do that. You don't touch them, and they don't touch you.

(02-27-2011 09:08 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(02-27-2011 07:35 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  I would be surprised if refs didn't pull on coaches all the time when a situation looked like it was getting out of hand. The ref probably thought Steve was going to add to the problem, and had to make a quick decision, which could have been right and could have been wrong. I did see an official bodily escort Brady back to the bench with his hands around Brady's waist, so it does happen.

Shields had already been jawing with the officials just as the half ended, and was jawing with the ASU fans, who were giving him hell as he went by the fans on his way to the dressing room. They love giving him hell, and he plays right into their hands. They seemed to hate Newell too, but he would just smile at them. He loved it for the visiting fans to get on him.

It all goes back to the water bottle incident when shields went into the stand after a fan that was riding him and they guy had a bottle of water in his hand when Shields went beserk. He never threw the bottle but our fan was ridiculed over throwing a water bottle and it was the second time that year that Shields had went into the stands. ASU fans felt like Shields should have received some form of punishment. He actually did get in a little trouble with the conference but it was never announced publicly. If I remember correctly after reviewing he was put on probation but the conference kept it to themselves.

As far as the fouls discrepancy. I have seen them before and I use to think the same thing but it's not possible. I remember thinking that when Foley's team would have 5-10 fouls for a game and the other team would be nearly all in foul trouble. I finally got over that. There are bad calls every game but last night it was because we were aggressively going to the basket and UALR wasn't going to let us go inside without being contacted. UALR shot more from outside. I've noticed that in the games where we take a lot of three's we don't go to the line as often which stands to reason. Your guys took 21 3 point shots and a lot more of them were from outside as well. Not many to the basket shots.

I couldn't tell if he kneed him or not but the walk over after the trip wasn't necessary....

(02-27-2011 09:53 PM)bigdhl Wrote:  I couldn't tell if he kneed him or not but the walk over after the trip wasn't necessary....

Totally unnecessary. I also couldn't tell whether he made contact, but he definitely intended to walk over him. He was trying to intimidate the ASU player.

(02-27-2011 09:53 PM)bigdhl Wrote:  

(02-27-2011 09:08 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(02-27-2011 07:35 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  I would be surprised if refs didn't pull on coaches all the time when a situation looked like it was getting out of hand. The ref probably thought Steve was going to add to the problem, and had to make a quick decision, which could have been right and could have been wrong. I did see an official bodily escort Brady back to the bench with his hands around Brady's waist, so it does happen.

Shields had already been jawing with the officials just as the half ended, and was jawing with the ASU fans, who were giving him hell as he went by the fans on his way to the dressing room. They love giving him hell, and he plays right into their hands. They seemed to hate Newell too, but he would just smile at them. He loved it for the visiting fans to get on him.

It all goes back to the water bottle incident when shields went into the stand after a fan that was riding him and they guy had a bottle of water in his hand when Shields went beserk. He never threw the bottle but our fan was ridiculed over throwing a water bottle and it was the second time that year that Shields had went into the stands. ASU fans felt like Shields should have received some form of punishment. He actually did get in a little trouble with the conference but it was never announced publicly. If I remember correctly after reviewing he was put on probation but the conference kept it to themselves.

As far as the fouls discrepancy. I have seen them before and I use to think the same thing but it's not possible. I remember thinking that when Foley's team would have 5-10 fouls for a game and the other team would be nearly all in foul trouble. I finally got over that. There are bad calls every game but last night it was because we were aggressively going to the basket and UALR wasn't going to let us go inside without being contacted. UALR shot more from outside. I've noticed that in the games where we take a lot of three's we don't go to the line as often which stands to reason. Your guys took 21 3 point shots and a lot more of them were from outside as well. Not many to the basket shots.

I couldn't tell if he kneed him or not but the walk over after the trip wasn't necessary....

I didn't see what Solo did. If he did what ya'll say then his Tech was justified. There are a lot of emotions in rivalry game and there should be if the players and coaches care.

(02-27-2011 10:27 PM)mjs Wrote:  I didn't see what Solo did. If he did what ya'll say then his Tech was justified. There are a lot of emotions in rivalry game and there should be if the players and coaches care.

We didn't have ringside seats, and while I can't say whether he did or didn't make contact with the ASU player, he didn't seem to try to walk around the kid either while he was on the floor. I suspect he was pissed that he got the foul, and as he usually is. Solo isn't one of my favorite Trojans, but I wouldn't sure wouldn't make something like that up. That's certainly the way it looked to me. I'm like the game officials, I call'em the way I see'em. If that tech hadn't counted as his 5th foul, I suspect he might have been ejected from the game.