FORDHAM GAME THEARD

Our guys seem to be unprepared, unmotivated and not well coached, how do you continuously lose by 20-30 points every night. We have talent otherwise we would't have beaten Ga Tech. our coaches have to do a better job of getting our guys ready. Also why would schedule 8-9 consecutive games on the road.. It doesn't look like we have game plans, we don't press, and we don't change defenses. Maybe we miss Coach Matta more than was anticipated or maybe some of the above is why he left.

(12-22-2010 09:56 PM)Mike_Hunt Wrote:  Waiting until KennesawBasketball says how Fordham is an A-10 team and that they have better players....

Sounds like Bartow.

This team seems in need of it's own identity ! It starts with the players and continues through to the staff. Someone needs to right the ship now or we are all in for a long season. reprocutions may fall out into next season as well. To much talent to be losing this badly ! Sorry, but losing faith.

(12-22-2010 09:56 PM)Mike_Hunt Wrote:  I'll say it again...this program sucks. The recruiting is horrific. How do you bring in about 7-8 new guys and not one of them can contribute anything except Anderson (who isn't anything special himself). R.J Hall comes from having success at a JUCO and can't even get garbage minutes. I'd be amazed if the end of the bench can tie their own shoes. Also, the transition defense is horrendous and so is the paint defense but I guess that's what happens when you ave skinny 6'9 guys instead of solid 6'7 guys. Our two bigs (Heramb and Green) are perimeter players that can't defend the post or play in it.

Waiting until KennesawBasketball says how Fordham is an A-10 team and that they have better players....

we are a bottom 10 team in division 1 basketball right now.

(12-22-2010 09:56 PM)Mike_Hunt Wrote:  I'll say it again...this program sucks. The recruiting is horrific. How do you bring in about 7-8 new guys and not one of them can contribute anything except Anderson (who isn't anything special himself). R.J Hall comes from having success at a JUCO and can't even get garbage minutes. I'd be amazed if the end of the bench can tie their own shoes. Also, the transition defense is horrendous and so is the paint defense but I guess that's what happens when you ave skinny 6'9 guys instead of solid 6'7 guys. Our two bigs (Heramb and Green) are perimeter players that can't defend the post or play in it.

Waiting until KennesawBasketball says how Fordham is an A-10 team and that they have better players....

Not gonna say it :) We should be beating teams like Fordham, but for some reason we are not. I haven't seen us play in a while, so I can't give any real constructive analysis. I am coming into town to watch the Upstate game, so I will get a good view of where we are at that game. We have some talent, I still believe in our coaching staff, but I sure don't like the results we are getting lately. Hopefully we will work through this doldrum quick before conference play ramps up. We have some home games after the new year that we MUST win to have a shot to compete this year.

(12-22-2010 09:56 PM)Mike_Hunt Wrote:  The recruiting is horrific. How do you bring in about 7-8 new guys and not one of them can contribute anything except Anderson (who isn't anything special himself). R.J Hall comes from having success at a JUCO and can't even get garbage minutes.

I think Tony Ingle is a incredibly funny, charismatic guy. However, I'm quickly losing faith in his ability to develop players at this level. Recruiting doesn't seem to be the problem when you have a guy like Markeith win conference awards as a newcomer, and then get worse. But he's not the only player who has seemingly gotten less impressive as they stay with the program. I'm sure he was able to develop the types of kids who were off of everyone's recruiting radar in JC and D-II, but the types of talents that will start to come to this program (low-major to mid-major potential) are starting with a significantly stronger set of skills than anything Ingle's encountered to date. Maybe he just doesn't quite know how to help them get any better than the day they arrived on campus.

It starts and ends with the coaching staff. I hope things turn around, and hope I'm wrong. But the last several years have shown that once this team gets off track, it tends to stay there. Keeping the (tenuous) faith, but I wouldn't be surprised if Coach Ingle is gone if things don't get better by the end of next season.

Coach Ingle is probably the reason that we are a Division I university right now, so I definitely agree with the respect that he should be given. The points about Markeith are valid, and i will see the team play in a few weeks so I will probably have a better idea at that point where we are. When Ingle took over we were a bottom feeder wasting away in Division II basketball. I have faith that he can bring this program back from the bottom of the DI food chain.

(12-25-2010 06:22 PM)KennesawBasketball Wrote:  Coach Ingle is probably the reason that we are a Division I university right now

As much as I personally respect the guy, I think that's an awfully bold statement that takes a lot away from the other athletic programs that have won D-II national championships at KSU, like softball and baseball, as well as the programs that are having D-I success already (like cross country and women's soccer). In fact, five programs have already won A-Sun conference championships (six, if you count indoor & outdoor track as separate sports).

The university had to become D-I simply to remain competitive for student admissions, as it became the third-largest university in Georgia, and as Atlanta continues to explode population-wise. I sincerely doubt that the the Board of Regents or the University leadership put much stock, one way or the other, in any one coach or athletic program.

Sure, men's basketball would be the likely candidate to generate positive cash flow, but that will only happen with a winning program. So although Coach Ingle will certainly get the benefit of the doubt given his D-II championship and his university tenure, the University will be counting on this program to start showing success. Any coach should be giving an awfully long leash during the painful transitional period, where all programs are essentially crippled, but the training wheels should be coming off at this point.

If I were Coach Ingle, I'd be more than a bit nervous, as the old guard (Dr. Siegel and Dr. Waples) has changed. Fair or unfair, c'est la vie.

In sports, as is often the case in life, wins are the ultimate measuring stick.

(12-26-2010 02:01 PM)ksuowlsfan Wrote:  

(12-25-2010 06:22 PM)KennesawBasketball Wrote:  Coach Ingle is probably the reason that we are a Division I university right now

As much as I personally respect the guy, I think that's an awfully bold statement that takes a lot away from the other athletic programs that have won D-II national championships at KSU, like softball and baseball, as well as the programs that are having D-I success already (like cross country and women's soccer). In fact, five programs have already won A-Sun conference championships (six, if you count indoor & outdoor track as separate sports).

The university had to become D-I simply to remain competitive for student admissions, as it became the third-largest university in Georgia, and as Atlanta continues to explode population-wise. I sincerely doubt that the the Board of Regents or the University leadership put much stock, one way or the other, in any one coach or athletic program.

Sure, men's basketball would be the likely candidate to generate positive cash flow, but that will only happen with a winning program. So although Coach Ingle will certainly get the benefit of the doubt given his D-II championship and his university tenure, the University will be counting on this program to start showing success. Any coach should be giving an awfully long leash during the painful transitional period, where all programs are essentially crippled, but the training wheels should be coming off at this point.

If I were Coach Ingle, I'd be more than a bit nervous, as the old guard (Dr. Siegel and Dr. Waples) has changed. Fair or unfair, c'est la vie.

In sports, as is often the case in life, wins are the ultimate measuring stick.

Truer words haven't been said on this board in a while. Anyone saying Ingle shouldn't be worried or that they've lost no faith in him is simply fooling themselves.

I never said that Ingle shouldn't nervous, I am just saying that I still believe in him as our coach. You want a coach to win games and represent the university well - Ingle has always represented us well, and he has won a ton of games. As we all know he must prove that he can take our program to a legitimate D1 level...I believe he will, but I also understand that there is an argument to be made on the other side of that coin. I think we would all agree that we hope that I am right, and that Ingle takes this program to the top of the ASun and beyond.