(12-19-2009 02:15 AM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 09:43 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 07:36 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 12:03 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 11:53 AM)Kevin S Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 08:10 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Our chances are slim and none. We can not compete with an Arkansas. Their facilities are much better, they play in a top conference, closer to home and I am sure they have an athletes dorm that is very nice.

Unless he has a very strong connection with a coach at NIU, I hope I am wrong but he is not going to verbal to us.

Although NIU does not have comparable facilities to Arkansas we do have one big advantage, playing time. I can see him being a probable starter very shortly and have ample opportunity to rack up some serious career stats. It is easier being all MAC than all SEC and being all conference, all american, and having awesome career stats gets you looked at by pro scouts. Also if you never make the pros having awesome career stats and playing time is better than saying I sat on an SEC teams bench and got to play in the 4th quarter against Vanderbilt.

So when you play sports, you would rather play against lesser competition. I know that I enjoyed going agianst the "better" players. That is the way you get better. Having 12 catches for 210 yards versus EMU is not the same as having 7 for 112 yards against Florida.

I don't want this kid if he does not think he can compete at the highest level.

Thanks Klake. You are a ringing endorsement for our school to any recruit that may stumble upon this thread. The MAC plays D1 football with many dudes in the NFL, enough said.

We are not Arkansas or any other SEC school. Yes, some good players come out of the MAC but many more come out of the SEC. If you think that NIU and the MAC is on par (or even close) to Arkansas and the SEC, put down the bong.

You are a weird guy. Then go on Arkansas' fansite for their recruits and hype them regarding the mighty SEC. Figure it out douche.

It shouldn't be that hard to understand why he would pick NIU over Arkansas at this point. I am in no way saying he will...but if he wants to play earlier and most likely have a much easier time moving up the depth charts, NIU could be the place for him. The toughest part for a school like NIU going down south is even getting in the mix, obviously they've somehow done that with him, so there's a chance, regardless of an Arkansas offer.

As for all of this "I only want kids that want to play at the highest level" argument. Don't we play big ten teams? SEC teams? We played with Tennessee 2 years ago...came very close to beating them. Played Alabama in 03, beat them...at those times were they even close to the strong teams in the SEC? No, not at all, but they're still SEC, and that silly argument is just saying "SEC".

In today's world, a WR in the MAC can get very close to as much tv time and shots against big teams, as a lower level SEC team. If he built a good relationship somehow with our coaching staff and feels he can come up and show his stuff right away at NIU, maybe we have a chance.

I repeat, not saying he's coming here. There are certainly reasons to go to Arkansas, the prestige, facilites, Mallet, etc....but I don't understand the poor argument of "SEC, to go to the NFL you want to play against the best". He'll get plenty of chances to play against tough competition at NIU, and he'd almost certainly at least get to play in those games.

(12-19-2009 02:15 AM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 09:43 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 07:36 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 12:03 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 11:53 AM)Kevin S Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 08:10 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Our chances are slim and none. We can not compete with an Arkansas. Their facilities are much better, they play in a top conference, closer to home and I am sure they have an athletes dorm that is very nice.

Unless he has a very strong connection with a coach at NIU, I hope I am wrong but he is not going to verbal to us.

Although NIU does not have comparable facilities to Arkansas we do have one big advantage, playing time. I can see him being a probable starter very shortly and have ample opportunity to rack up some serious career stats. It is easier being all MAC than all SEC and being all conference, all american, and having awesome career stats gets you looked at by pro scouts. Also if you never make the pros having awesome career stats and playing time is better than saying I sat on an SEC teams bench and got to play in the 4th quarter against Vanderbilt.

So when you play sports, you would rather play against lesser competition. I know that I enjoyed going agianst the "better" players. That is the way you get better. Having 12 catches for 210 yards versus EMU is not the same as having 7 for 112 yards against Florida.

I don't want this kid if he does not think he can compete at the highest level.

Thanks Klake. You are a ringing endorsement for our school to any recruit that may stumble upon this thread. The MAC plays D1 football with many dudes in the NFL, enough said.

We are not Arkansas or any other SEC school. Yes, some good players come out of the MAC but many more come out of the SEC. If you think that NIU and the MAC is on par (or even close) to Arkansas and the SEC, put down the bong.

You are a weird guy. Then go on Arkansas' fansite for their recruits and hype them regarding the mighty SEC. Figure it out douche.

Stay classy San Diego. Name calling is the best way to win an argument. NIU is a MAC school and 99 times out of 100, a kid will choose a high profile school over us. You need to face facts that we are a mid tier program.

(12-19-2009 12:37 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 02:15 AM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 09:43 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 07:36 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 12:03 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 11:53 AM)Kevin S Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 08:10 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Our chances are slim and none. We can not compete with an Arkansas. Their facilities are much better, they play in a top conference, closer to home and I am sure they have an athletes dorm that is very nice.

Unless he has a very strong connection with a coach at NIU, I hope I am wrong but he is not going to verbal to us.

Although NIU does not have comparable facilities to Arkansas we do have one big advantage, playing time. I can see him being a probable starter very shortly and have ample opportunity to rack up some serious career stats. It is easier being all MAC than all SEC and being all conference, all american, and having awesome career stats gets you looked at by pro scouts. Also if you never make the pros having awesome career stats and playing time is better than saying I sat on an SEC teams bench and got to play in the 4th quarter against Vanderbilt.

So when you play sports, you would rather play against lesser competition. I know that I enjoyed going agianst the "better" players. That is the way you get better. Having 12 catches for 210 yards versus EMU is not the same as having 7 for 112 yards against Florida.

I don't want this kid if he does not think he can compete at the highest level.

Thanks Klake. You are a ringing endorsement for our school to any recruit that may stumble upon this thread. The MAC plays D1 football with many dudes in the NFL, enough said.

We are not Arkansas or any other SEC school. Yes, some good players come out of the MAC but many more come out of the SEC. If you think that NIU and the MAC is on par (or even close) to Arkansas and the SEC, put down the bong.

You are a weird guy. Then go on Arkansas' fansite for their recruits and hype them regarding the mighty SEC. Figure it out douche.

Stay classy San Diego. Name calling is the best way to win an argument. NIU is a MAC school and 99 times out of 100, a kid will choose a high profile school over us. You need to face facts that we are a mid tier program.

It's not the fact that he's most likely going to Arkansas, it's your reasoning of "because he can play against the top competition" that is a very weak argument.

(12-19-2009 12:42 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 12:37 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 02:15 AM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 09:43 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 07:36 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 12:03 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 11:53 AM)Kevin S Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 08:10 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Our chances are slim and none. We can not compete with an Arkansas. Their facilities are much better, they play in a top conference, closer to home and I am sure they have an athletes dorm that is very nice.

Unless he has a very strong connection with a coach at NIU, I hope I am wrong but he is not going to verbal to us.

Although NIU does not have comparable facilities to Arkansas we do have one big advantage, playing time. I can see him being a probable starter very shortly and have ample opportunity to rack up some serious career stats. It is easier being all MAC than all SEC and being all conference, all american, and having awesome career stats gets you looked at by pro scouts. Also if you never make the pros having awesome career stats and playing time is better than saying I sat on an SEC teams bench and got to play in the 4th quarter against Vanderbilt.

So when you play sports, you would rather play against lesser competition. I know that I enjoyed going agianst the "better" players. That is the way you get better. Having 12 catches for 210 yards versus EMU is not the same as having 7 for 112 yards against Florida.

I don't want this kid if he does not think he can compete at the highest level.

Thanks Klake. You are a ringing endorsement for our school to any recruit that may stumble upon this thread. The MAC plays D1 football with many dudes in the NFL, enough said.

We are not Arkansas or any other SEC school. Yes, some good players come out of the MAC but many more come out of the SEC. If you think that NIU and the MAC is on par (or even close) to Arkansas and the SEC, put down the bong.

You are a weird guy. Then go on Arkansas' fansite for their recruits and hype them regarding the mighty SEC. Figure it out douche.

Stay classy San Diego. Name calling is the best way to win an argument. NIU is a MAC school and 99 times out of 100, a kid will choose a high profile school over us. You need to face facts that we are a mid tier program.

It's not the fact that he's most likely going to Arkansas, it's your reasoning of "because he can play against the top competition" that is a very weak argument.

If he is not confident enough in his abilities to think that he can star at Arkansas then again, he is not the type of player I want. I guess shortly we will know.

I can see his conversation with his family now I have an offer from Arkansas but I don't think I am good enough to play there. Instead, I will go to NIU where I can be a big fish is a small pond.

(12-19-2009 12:47 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 12:42 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 12:37 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 02:15 AM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 09:43 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 07:36 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 12:03 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 11:53 AM)Kevin S Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 08:10 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Our chances are slim and none. We can not compete with an Arkansas. Their facilities are much better, they play in a top conference, closer to home and I am sure they have an athletes dorm that is very nice.

Unless he has a very strong connection with a coach at NIU, I hope I am wrong but he is not going to verbal to us.

Although NIU does not have comparable facilities to Arkansas we do have one big advantage, playing time. I can see him being a probable starter very shortly and have ample opportunity to rack up some serious career stats. It is easier being all MAC than all SEC and being all conference, all american, and having awesome career stats gets you looked at by pro scouts. Also if you never make the pros having awesome career stats and playing time is better than saying I sat on an SEC teams bench and got to play in the 4th quarter against Vanderbilt.

So when you play sports, you would rather play against lesser competition. I know that I enjoyed going agianst the "better" players. That is the way you get better. Having 12 catches for 210 yards versus EMU is not the same as having 7 for 112 yards against Florida.

I don't want this kid if he does not think he can compete at the highest level.

Thanks Klake. You are a ringing endorsement for our school to any recruit that may stumble upon this thread. The MAC plays D1 football with many dudes in the NFL, enough said.

We are not Arkansas or any other SEC school. Yes, some good players come out of the MAC but many more come out of the SEC. If you think that NIU and the MAC is on par (or even close) to Arkansas and the SEC, put down the bong.

You are a weird guy. Then go on Arkansas' fansite for their recruits and hype them regarding the mighty SEC. Figure it out douche.

Stay classy San Diego. Name calling is the best way to win an argument. NIU is a MAC school and 99 times out of 100, a kid will choose a high profile school over us. You need to face facts that we are a mid tier program.

It's not the fact that he's most likely going to Arkansas, it's your reasoning of "because he can play against the top competition" that is a very weak argument.

If he is not confident enough in his abilities to think that he can star at Arkansas then again, he is not the type of player I want. I guess shortly we will know.

I can see his conversation with his family now I have an offer from Arkansas but I don't think I am good enough to play there. Instead, I will go to NIU where I can be a big fish is a small pond.

So you're saying you don't want him at all?

(12-19-2009 12:37 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 02:15 AM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 09:43 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 07:36 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 12:03 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 11:53 AM)Kevin S Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 08:10 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Our chances are slim and none. We can not compete with an Arkansas. Their facilities are much better, they play in a top conference, closer to home and I am sure they have an athletes dorm that is very nice.

Unless he has a very strong connection with a coach at NIU, I hope I am wrong but he is not going to verbal to us.

Although NIU does not have comparable facilities to Arkansas we do have one big advantage, playing time. I can see him being a probable starter very shortly and have ample opportunity to rack up some serious career stats. It is easier being all MAC than all SEC and being all conference, all american, and having awesome career stats gets you looked at by pro scouts. Also if you never make the pros having awesome career stats and playing time is better than saying I sat on an SEC teams bench and got to play in the 4th quarter against Vanderbilt.

So when you play sports, you would rather play against lesser competition. I know that I enjoyed going agianst the "better" players. That is the way you get better. Having 12 catches for 210 yards versus EMU is not the same as having 7 for 112 yards against Florida.

I don't want this kid if he does not think he can compete at the highest level.

Thanks Klake. You are a ringing endorsement for our school to any recruit that may stumble upon this thread. The MAC plays D1 football with many dudes in the NFL, enough said.

We are not Arkansas or any other SEC school. Yes, some good players come out of the MAC but many more come out of the SEC. If you think that NIU and the MAC is on par (or even close) to Arkansas and the SEC, put down the bong.

You are a weird guy. Then go on Arkansas' fansite for their recruits and hype them regarding the mighty SEC. Figure it out douche.

Stay classy San Diego. Name calling is the best way to win an argument. NIU is a MAC school and 99 times out of 100, a kid will choose a high profile school over us. You need to face facts that we are a mid tier program.

Yes, you are correct, I apologize for calling you that. I just get tired of the negativity on this board sometimes.

Anyway, here is a guy that had pretty good success at Arkansas. If I remember correctly they offered late when he was ready to come here.

http://arkansas.scout.com/a.z?s=10&p=8&c=1&nid=1160833

(12-19-2009 12:47 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 12:42 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 12:37 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 02:15 AM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 09:43 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 07:36 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 12:03 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 11:53 AM)Kevin S Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 08:10 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Our chances are slim and none. We can not compete with an Arkansas. Their facilities are much better, they play in a top conference, closer to home and I am sure they have an athletes dorm that is very nice.

Unless he has a very strong connection with a coach at NIU, I hope I am wrong but he is not going to verbal to us.

Although NIU does not have comparable facilities to Arkansas we do have one big advantage, playing time. I can see him being a probable starter very shortly and have ample opportunity to rack up some serious career stats. It is easier being all MAC than all SEC and being all conference, all american, and having awesome career stats gets you looked at by pro scouts. Also if you never make the pros having awesome career stats and playing time is better than saying I sat on an SEC teams bench and got to play in the 4th quarter against Vanderbilt.

So when you play sports, you would rather play against lesser competition. I know that I enjoyed going agianst the "better" players. That is the way you get better. Having 12 catches for 210 yards versus EMU is not the same as having 7 for 112 yards against Florida.

I don't want this kid if he does not think he can compete at the highest level.

Thanks Klake. You are a ringing endorsement for our school to any recruit that may stumble upon this thread. The MAC plays D1 football with many dudes in the NFL, enough said.

We are not Arkansas or any other SEC school. Yes, some good players come out of the MAC but many more come out of the SEC. If you think that NIU and the MAC is on par (or even close) to Arkansas and the SEC, put down the bong.

You are a weird guy. Then go on Arkansas' fansite for their recruits and hype them regarding the mighty SEC. Figure it out douche.

Stay classy San Diego. Name calling is the best way to win an argument. NIU is a MAC school and 99 times out of 100, a kid will choose a high profile school over us. You need to face facts that we are a mid tier program.

It's not the fact that he's most likely going to Arkansas, it's your reasoning of "because he can play against the top competition" that is a very weak argument.

If he is not confident enough in his abilities to think that he can star at Arkansas then again, he is not the type of player I want. I guess shortly we will know.

I can see his conversation with his family now I have an offer from Arkansas but I don't think I am good enough to play there. Instead, I will go to NIU where I can be a big fish is a small pond.

So you would never want a player that has an offer from a better football program? We should retract our offers once they come in?

this thread sucks

(12-19-2009 04:05 PM)armour248 Wrote:  this thread sucks

Your post certainly improves it...

I agree, this is the worst thread of all time. Go and google Armand Williams and you will find this thread. Now, to think that 17 year old kids that are tech savvy and going through recruitment aren't on their rivals profiles and message boards is delusional.

Klake, this is absolutely terrible. I agree with PrairieDawg. What are you thinking with this thread? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your logic, but why the hell would you post this crap? Here we have the potential to land a HUGE recruit as far as our program is concerned that would cap one of our stronger recruiting classes ever and the one strong voice of our fan base is blowing up a thread about how this kid will never pick NIU. Again, I'm not disputing some of your logic, but there is such a thing as talking stuff in to existence...and you are literally doing that.

This thread is a self-fulfilling prophecy that should be titled "how strong mid-majors are there own biggest enemy". We have a fan base that believes that we aren't on tier with certain universities...and while that may be true today...it will continue to be true until the paradigm of our fans change.

One recruit (like Armand Williams), one more victory over a BCS opponent and things change. It's small steps...and it starts with a perception that we can either foster, or continue to derail with threads like this.

we have some "fans" that just aren't that bright.

(12-19-2009 01:04 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 12:47 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 12:42 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 12:37 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 02:15 AM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 09:43 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 07:36 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 12:03 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 11:53 AM)Kevin S Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 08:10 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Our chances are slim and none. We can not compete with an Arkansas. Their facilities are much better, they play in a top conference, closer to home and I am sure they have an athletes dorm that is very nice.

Unless he has a very strong connection with a coach at NIU, I hope I am wrong but he is not going to verbal to us.

Although NIU does not have comparable facilities to Arkansas we do have one big advantage, playing time. I can see him being a probable starter very shortly and have ample opportunity to rack up some serious career stats. It is easier being all MAC than all SEC and being all conference, all american, and having awesome career stats gets you looked at by pro scouts. Also if you never make the pros having awesome career stats and playing time is better than saying I sat on an SEC teams bench and got to play in the 4th quarter against Vanderbilt.

So when you play sports, you would rather play against lesser competition. I know that I enjoyed going agianst the "better" players. That is the way you get better. Having 12 catches for 210 yards versus EMU is not the same as having 7 for 112 yards against Florida.

I don't want this kid if he does not think he can compete at the highest level.

Thanks Klake. You are a ringing endorsement for our school to any recruit that may stumble upon this thread. The MAC plays D1 football with many dudes in the NFL, enough said.

We are not Arkansas or any other SEC school. Yes, some good players come out of the MAC but many more come out of the SEC. If you think that NIU and the MAC is on par (or even close) to Arkansas and the SEC, put down the bong.

You are a weird guy. Then go on Arkansas' fansite for their recruits and hype them regarding the mighty SEC. Figure it out douche.

Stay classy San Diego. Name calling is the best way to win an argument. NIU is a MAC school and 99 times out of 100, a kid will choose a high profile school over us. You need to face facts that we are a mid tier program.

It's not the fact that he's most likely going to Arkansas, it's your reasoning of "because he can play against the top competition" that is a very weak argument.

If he is not confident enough in his abilities to think that he can star at Arkansas then again, he is not the type of player I want. I guess shortly we will know.

I can see his conversation with his family now I have an offer from Arkansas but I don't think I am good enough to play there. Instead, I will go to NIU where I can be a big fish is a small pond.

So you're saying you don't want him at all?

No I want him. He seems like a very good prospect. I am just saying that if I were him, I would go with Arkansas over NIU. I feel like Alum, we are a MAC school and not a Big 10 / SEC program. I do not have dilusions of granduer. I want NIU to be the best MAC Program. If he comes to NIU, I will be happy but to think he would get playing time sooner at NIU would be him admitting that he is not as good as other SEC players. This kid would then lack confidence.

(12-19-2009 01:33 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 12:37 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-19-2009 02:15 AM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 09:43 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 07:36 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 12:03 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 11:53 AM)Kevin S Wrote:  

(12-18-2009 08:10 AM)klake87 Wrote:  Our chances are slim and none. We can not compete with an Arkansas. Their facilities are much better, they play in a top conference, closer to home and I am sure they have an athletes dorm that is very nice.

Unless he has a very strong connection with a coach at NIU, I hope I am wrong but he is not going to verbal to us.

Although NIU does not have comparable facilities to Arkansas we do have one big advantage, playing time. I can see him being a probable starter very shortly and have ample opportunity to rack up some serious career stats. It is easier being all MAC than all SEC and being all conference, all american, and having awesome career stats gets you looked at by pro scouts. Also if you never make the pros having awesome career stats and playing time is better than saying I sat on an SEC teams bench and got to play in the 4th quarter against Vanderbilt.

So when you play sports, you would rather play against lesser competition. I know that I enjoyed going agianst the "better" players. That is the way you get better. Having 12 catches for 210 yards versus EMU is not the same as having 7 for 112 yards against Florida.

I don't want this kid if he does not think he can compete at the highest level.

Thanks Klake. You are a ringing endorsement for our school to any recruit that may stumble upon this thread. The MAC plays D1 football with many dudes in the NFL, enough said.

We are not Arkansas or any other SEC school. Yes, some good players come out of the MAC but many more come out of the SEC. If you think that NIU and the MAC is on par (or even close) to Arkansas and the SEC, put down the bong.

You are a weird guy. Then go on Arkansas' fansite for their recruits and hype them regarding the mighty SEC. Figure it out douche.

Stay classy San Diego. Name calling is the best way to win an argument. NIU is a MAC school and 99 times out of 100, a kid will choose a high profile school over us. You need to face facts that we are a mid tier program.

Yes, you are correct, I apologize for calling you that. I just get tired of the negativity on this board sometimes.

Anyway, here is a guy that had pretty good success at Arkansas. If I remember correctly they offered late when he was ready to come here.

http://arkansas.scout.com/a.z?s=10&p=8&c=1&nid=1160833

I am not trying to be negative. I want him to come here but I also realize that Arkansas and NIU are not in the same class. I hope he comes here. If Arkansas is a late comer to offering, I hope he stays with us but if his desire is to play for a big boy, we have no chance.