I understand it is not realistic at the current time to expect ETSU to make the NCAAs in every season.

However, is it too much to ask that we see the following out of the program after an NCAA berth?

Facilities upgrades

Increased ticket sales

Higher caliber prospects

Long term contract extension for the coach

Increased fundraising efforts while the program is hot

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see any of this.

There have been three other opportunities where ETSU could have built on success but did not. I do not know about 1968- that was a different time.

I would say the Mister teams did seem to regress in terms of scheduling after 1992 or so. Whereas powerhouse opponents were not uncommon during the glory years, they diminished as time went by- an infamous buyout from a scheduled appearance by Kansas the beginning of the end.

Say what you will about the recruits Alan LeForce got. Recruiting classes will vary. But the decline in scheduling was at least equally dooming to the program.

Also, having Bill Meade tell the fan base the success would only be temporary didn't help much.

After the Wadood/Fields years, the program then regressed by going to the A-Sun.

There are those who theorize ETSU dropped football because they felt they'd be more attractive to a larger conference without it- that they felt by dropping it they could build off their 2003 NCAA appearance and get into, say, Conference USA. I've been told C-USA did come and laughed at the ETSU facilities, hence the renewed emphasis in building facilities- but in the wrong order.

Assuming that is true, that explains once again what incompetents these people running ETSU athletics are.

(11-05-2009 04:09 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  I understand it is not realistic at the current time to expect ETSU to make the NCAAs in every season.

However, is it too much to ask that we see the following out of the program after an NCAA berth?

Facilities upgrades

Increased ticket sales

Higher caliber prospects

Long term contract extension for the coach

Increased fundraising efforts while the program is hot

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see any of this.

There have been three other opportunities where ETSU could have built on success but did not. I do not know about 1968- that was a different time.

I would say the Mister teams did seem to regress in terms of scheduling after 1992 or so. Whereas powerhouse opponents were not uncommon during the glory years, they diminished as time went by- an infamous buyout from a scheduled appearance by Kansas the beginning of the end.

Say what you will about the recruits Alan LeForce got. Recruiting classes will vary. But the decline in scheduling was at least equally dooming to the program.

Also, having Bill Meade tell the fan base the success would only be temporary didn't help much.

After the Wadood/Fields years, the program then regressed by going to the A-Sun.

There are those who theorize ETSU dropped football because they felt they'd be more attractive to a larger conference without it- that they felt by dropping it they could build off their 2003 NCAA appearance and get into, say, Conference USA. I've been told C-USA did come and laughed at the ETSU facilities, hence the renewed emphasis in building facilities- but in the wrong order.

Assuming that is true, that explains once again what incompetents these people running ETSU athletics are.

Why hasn't someone snapped you up to be their AD?

Well, I used to say that I would have been a better AD than Mullins, if for no other reason than I knew when I was a student in 1994 that dropping football would get ETSU kicked out of the SoCon.

I knew this because of a speech I gave about the importance of ETSU having a football team. Even then, there was talk of "Why does ETSU have a team?" as the Bucs were on a streak of seven straight losing seasons.

The then AD, Dr. Janice Shelton, called me and literally talked my ear off for an hour that membership in the SoCon was contingent on having a football team.

How Mullins and Stanton could have missed that- I don't know. I don't know why there weren't follow ups after the 1998 announcement that the football program had to raise more money to, in fact, raise money.

All I know is three football-minded ADs left from 1997-03, and only one seemed to move to go to a better position (Todd Stansbury- who became an assistant AD at Oregon State).

That said, I'm not lobbying for the position. I am saying, however, that what the administration didn't know I had known, simply by what I learned as a student, for nine years.

Hey Pitt -
So we had over 3.000 in attendance in the Milligan exhibition. I know, it's the propoganda machine, blah blah blah. But, it appeared we had a much bigger crowd as compared to previous exhibition crowds. Doesn't this indicate that ticket sales may improve?

Can anyone say that Lukas Poderis is not an upgrade to previous center prospects? He sure looked it to me. No, not in necessarily in everything he did in the exhibition but he's clearly more athletic than many centers we have had, at this level (true frosh) in the past. Cooley made a nice statement the other night. So did Grimm. So aren't we improving in that dept.? Remember - Wadood wasn't even on any D-1 radar screen when Eddie D brought him from Lonoke, AR.

Bartow got an extension. Didn't you complain about it?

Do you currently know what the fund raising efforts are?

Haven't we seen several upgrades in facilities in recent years even though the
economy tanked?

Again, I think there are things to complain about. The issues you brought up? Not so much,.

Go- You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

I have ALWAYS spoken of how Murry Bartow should have four years on his contract at all times to help improve recruiting efforts- as should all coaches.

I also have maintained a policy that I think no coach should be fired at ETSU as long as Stanton and Mullins are at the helm. It would simply be a case of a coach losing his job and reputation for the incompetence of his bosses and won't stand for it.

For you to say otherwise is either an out and out lie aimed at destroying my reputation (HEY! JOIN THE CLUB!) or you don't know what you're talking about.

Please explain to me how building a softball field helps the basketball program.

Wadood was an all-state player in Arkansas and it was considered ETSU's best recruiting class since the glory days when he was brought in.

Is Poderis a significant upgrade in prospect status from, say, Brad Nuckles, who was recruited by ACC schools?

I have had coaches tell me about the attendance at ETSU games being jacked. Now, assuming they didn't do that, is 3,000 in a 6,000 seat arena for opening day against a local college that will pull in several hundred fans after an NCAA Tournament appearance so impressive?

Check that. It is. So is finishing 5-8-1 in men's soccer.

"Can anyone say that Lukas Poderis is not an upgrade to previous center prospects?"

I can

(11-05-2009 08:11 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  Well, I used to say that I would have been a better AD than Mullins, if for no other reason than I knew when I was a student in 1994 that dropping football would get ETSU kicked out of the SoCon.

I knew this because of a speech I gave about the importance of ETSU having a football team. Even then, there was talk of "Why does ETSU have a team?" as the Bucs were on a streak of seven straight losing seasons.

The then AD, Dr. Janice Shelton, called me and literally talked my ear off for an hour that membership in the SoCon was contingent on having a football team.

How Mullins and Stanton could have missed that- I don't know. I don't know why there weren't follow ups after the 1998 announcement that the football program had to raise more money to, in fact, raise money.

All I know is three football-minded ADs left from 1997-03, and only one seemed to move to go to a better position (Todd Stansbury- who became an assistant AD at Oregon State).

That said, I'm not lobbying for the position. I am saying, however, that what the administration didn't know I had known, simply by what I learned as a student, for nine years.

You are assuming that the administration didn't know, or at least didn't think that there was a good probability that it would happen. But like I have said on numerious occasions conference affiliation really only matters for football. And for football you need to be in a BCS conference or you are going to loose large sums of money, because the gate will not be there.

So, if you don't have football it doesn't matter as much the conference, just schedule better. If the basketball team is good enough you will get in the tourney.

No one has of yet been able to show me how they are going to fund a winning football program at ETSU. I think from know on I will refer to ETSU football as the "giant sucking sound", for the money it would/did suck up.

(11-06-2009 12:16 AM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  Hey Pitt -
So we had over 3.000 in attendance in the Milligan exhibition. I know, it's the propoganda machine, blah blah blah. But, it appeared we had a much bigger crowd as compared to previous exhibition crowds. Doesn't this indicate that ticket sales may improve?

Can anyone say that Lukas Poderis is not an upgrade to previous center prospects? He sure looked it to me. No, not in necessarily in everything he did in the exhibition but he's clearly more athletic than many centers we have had, at this level (true frosh) in the past. Cooley made a nice statement the other night. So did Grimm. So aren't we improving in that dept.? Remember - Wadood wasn't even on any D-1 radar screen when Eddie D brought him from Lonoke, AR.

Bartow got an extension. Didn't you complain about it?

Do you currently know what the fund raising efforts are?

Haven't we seen several upgrades in facilities in recent years even though the
economy tanked?

Again, I think there are things to complain about. The issues you brought up? Not so much,.

You are trying to talk to people who live in a reality distortion field. It really is a waste of time. I doubt they would be happy if ETSU made the mistake of restarting football. The program would not have any attendance after the first or second years if it had it then. The GSS would suck up any money for much of anything else. The program would get it's head kicked in, be a joke in the tri-cities. People would still continue to beg borrow and steal to get UT tickets.

In the end they would blame the failure of GSS (ETSU football) on the community. Much the same way a failed preacher blames the congregation for not living up to his expectations to build the next mega church.

You have to understand that the tiny amount of money spent on other facilities, even if it is a can of paint, is an abomination because it is some money that could have been spent on football. Football a spectator sport, who at ETSU at least had almost no spectators.

Lukas Poderis is going to be OK. Do I think he is the second coming of Greg Dennis, no. He looks to be very strong, a little clumsy, not really athletic. Is he going to be an offensive power house, no. Will he be able to bang a little and get rebounds, yes. Is he a great post prospect, no, but give the kid a little time and he will be a good post player.

(11-07-2009 02:47 PM)NorthEastTennesseeTiger Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 08:11 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  Well, I used to say that I would have been a better AD than Mullins, if for no other reason than I knew when I was a student in 1994 that dropping football would get ETSU kicked out of the SoCon.

I knew this because of a speech I gave about the importance of ETSU having a football team. Even then, there was talk of "Why does ETSU have a team?" as the Bucs were on a streak of seven straight losing seasons.

The then AD, Dr. Janice Shelton, called me and literally talked my ear off for an hour that membership in the SoCon was contingent on having a football team.

How Mullins and Stanton could have missed that- I don't know. I don't know why there weren't follow ups after the 1998 announcement that the football program had to raise more money to, in fact, raise money.

All I know is three football-minded ADs left from 1997-03, and only one seemed to move to go to a better position (Todd Stansbury- who became an assistant AD at Oregon State).

That said, I'm not lobbying for the position. I am saying, however, that what the administration didn't know I had known, simply by what I learned as a student, for nine years.

You are assuming that the administration didn't know, or at least didn't think that there was a good probability that it would happen. But like I have said on numerious occasions conference affiliation really only matters for football. And for football you need to be in a BCS conference or you are going to loose large sums of money, because the gate will not be there.

So, if you don't have football it doesn't matter as much the conference, just schedule better. If the basketball team is good enough you will get in the tourney.

No one has of yet been able to show me how they are going to fund a winning football program at ETSU. I think from know on I will refer to ETSU football as the "giant sucking sound", for the money it would/did suck up.

Actually I'm not assuming anything. I'm going by what people in the know working in athletic adminstration have stated on the SoConHoops board (our predecessor) years ago and repeated to me in private.

This entire board is filled with ideas on how to make it work. I gave you one in detail yesterday. We probably talk more about behind the scenes things and the business of athletics than any other mainstream college athletics message board in the world.

But I know! Memphis football brings down the Tigers' basketball team.

Why, if it weren't for the Memphis football team the Tigers would have won the National Championship in 2008 instead of finishing second.

(11-07-2009 09:37 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  

(11-07-2009 02:47 PM)NorthEastTennesseeTiger Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 08:11 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  Well, I used to say that I would have been a better AD than Mullins, if for no other reason than I knew when I was a student in 1994 that dropping football would get ETSU kicked out of the SoCon.

I knew this because of a speech I gave about the importance of ETSU having a football team. Even then, there was talk of "Why does ETSU have a team?" as the Bucs were on a streak of seven straight losing seasons.

The then AD, Dr. Janice Shelton, called me and literally talked my ear off for an hour that membership in the SoCon was contingent on having a football team.

How Mullins and Stanton could have missed that- I don't know. I don't know why there weren't follow ups after the 1998 announcement that the football program had to raise more money to, in fact, raise money.

All I know is three football-minded ADs left from 1997-03, and only one seemed to move to go to a better position (Todd Stansbury- who became an assistant AD at Oregon State).

That said, I'm not lobbying for the position. I am saying, however, that what the administration didn't know I had known, simply by what I learned as a student, for nine years.

You are assuming that the administration didn't know, or at least didn't think that there was a good probability that it would happen. But like I have said on numerious occasions conference affiliation really only matters for football. And for football you need to be in a BCS conference or you are going to loose large sums of money, because the gate will not be there.

So, if you don't have football it doesn't matter as much the conference, just schedule better. If the basketball team is good enough you will get in the tourney.

No one has of yet been able to show me how they are going to fund a winning football program at ETSU. I think from know on I will refer to ETSU football as the "giant sucking sound", for the money it would/did suck up.

Actually I'm not assuming anything. I'm going by what people in the know working in athletic adminstration have stated on the SoConHoops board (our predecessor) years ago and repeated to me in private.

This entire board is filled with ideas on how to make it work. I gave you one in detail yesterday. We probably talk more about behind the scenes things and the business of athletics than any other mainstream college athletics message board in the world.

But I know! Memphis football brings down the Tigers' basketball team.

Why, if it weren't for the Memphis football team the Tigers would have won the National Championship in 2008 instead of finishing second.

Memphis' basketball program has been sucessful inspite of the huge multimillion dollar drain of their football program. If they weren't sinking millions of dollars into football, they wouldn't know what to do with the money. Roy Williams, Coach K or someone like that would be the coach. Coach Cal really left the program in a weak position, he raided the incoming recruiting class. If the basketball team fails, the cash cow will be gone and football will be in trouble.

They were able to get a premier coach WITH football.

Heck, they had a premier football coach. Mike Tomlin- grad assistant- 1996.

(11-10-2009 12:02 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  They were able to get a premier coach WITH football.

Heck, they had a premier football coach. Mike Tomlin- grad assistant- 1996.

While I'm happy with Josh Pastner as the new basketball coach, he will be great, but premier....hardly.

While, it is obvious now why Calipari left, it wasn't just the lure of KY, Memphis did match KY salary offer of 4 million a year. He was already making around 3 million at Memphis.

Uh, I don't know how to break this to you- Kentucky has football.

(11-10-2009 07:58 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  Uh, I don't know how to break this to you- Kentucky has football.

Which I am sure loses money. I am sure that the money KY's basketball program makes is more than enough to prop up their football program.

Well that's it, football is such a drain on the rest of university athletic programs, let's just ban college football all together. it's doing no one any good, all it is, is a financial drain. no more wasted money, no more wasting time arguing about play offs or bcs. All our problems have been solved!

Someone needs to tell App State when they come in Saturday that they are wasting and losing a lot of money playing football. Also that they would be a lot better off without football. They did not get the memo on that.