(09-16-2009 04:04 PM)PTJR Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 03:49 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 02:16 PM)Scotto Wrote:  Is Coach Broyles still at Fayetteville? I sure thought he retired.

He and his legacy are still around. Until he's in the ground, out of respect for him, the policy probably won't change. Once he's gone to that great gridiron in the sky, the policy might be reevaluated.

I agree Dr. J. Probably no way they change the policy while Big Frank is still breathing. And I would be shocked if he wasn't still residing in Fayetteville. It's been his home for over 50 years. He doesn't seem like the move to a retirement village in Florida kind of guy to me.

If I remember correctly, he has an office in the Broyles complex and works as a fund raiser for the Razorback Foundation. Anyone know anything different?

(09-16-2009 11:14 PM)PTJR Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 11:08 PM)Scotto Wrote:  I don't even know how to respond. I said I could care less if we do or do not play. And I sure as hell am not going to defend something I could care less about.

It is what it is.

Or that can't be defended, eh? Truth is there is no logical expanation and you know it so you just say you don't care about it. Slavery and segregation were treated in a similar fashion for years. Not that this is anywhere near that magnitude, but did ignoring that or any other issue make it ok?

No, it doesn't compare to the magnitude of slavery and segregation, but it does compare to the old reserve clause(player is owned for life by the team that signed him)used in major league baseball for decades until Curt Flood challenged his trade to the Phillies and the reserve clause with major league owners, and even though Flood lost at the Supreme Court level, this led to the players eventually gaining "free agency." The hogs own the state, the media, and they control it. The other colleges have no choice but to suck hind tit. Somehow this too will change someday, and they will play other state teams. And it won't hurt the hogs at all.

(09-15-2009 10:59 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  It won't work in the SEC? Sounds like it worked pretty good against Mississippi State. I realize that Mississippi State isn't Florida, but we'll see how it goes as the year progresses. Auburn wasn't very good last year, and he hasn't had time to recruit his type of players for his offense. It'll be interesting to see what happens at Auburn in the next two or three years.

Gus Malzahn is a quality person and a quality coach. It was a shame the way he was treated at Fayetteville, but looking on the bright side, it gave him an opportunity to move into D1 coaching, and where he is now if Auburn keeps playing the way they're playing on offense, after being miserable last year, and what he did at Tulsa, he'll start to get some head coaching opportunities. I believe he's in the same category as Bobby Petrino as a creative offensive mind. With a little more experience, he'll move on up as either a head coach in college, or even as an assistant in the pros. He's definitely a shining young star in the coaching ranks. I'd love for him to really succeed on a national level. From what I've seen of him, he has the kind of values that we admire in our top coaches. Not just winning all the time, but winning and losing with class and turning out players who are better prepared for life.

(09-17-2009 10:34 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  No, it doesn't compare to the magnitude of slavery and segregation, but it does compare to the old reserve clause(player is owned for life by the team that signed him)used in major league baseball for decades until Curt Flood challenged his trade to the Phillies and the reserve clause with major league owners, and even though Flood lost at the Supreme Court level, this led to the players eventually gaining "free agency."

The obvious difference being the MLB players couldn't play for anyone else. UALR, asu, UCA, and UAPB, all have 341 other teams they can play. Pick any one of them.

It's like saying, if only we could play the mighty Razorbacks we'd be free! Well, guess what. Other than 1 team, you (we) are free.

(09-17-2009 10:42 AM)Scotto Wrote:  

(09-17-2009 10:34 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  No, it doesn't compare to the magnitude of slavery and segregation, but it does compare to the old reserve clause(player is owned for life by the team that signed him)used in major league baseball for decades until Curt Flood challenged his trade to the Phillies and the reserve clause with major league owners, and even though Flood lost at the Supreme Court level, this led to the players eventually gaining "free agency."

The obvious difference being the MLB players couldn't play for anyone else. UALR, asu, UCA, and UAPB, all have 341 other teams they can play. Pick any one of them.

It's like saying, if only we could play the mighty Razorbacks we'd be free! Well, guess what. Other than 1 team, you (we) are free.

"I have a dream! Free at last. Free at last. Good God allmight, we're free at last!":cheers:

(09-16-2009 10:25 PM)Scotto Wrote:  I think The Policy has allowed them to capture the majority of the State, by not acknowledging any one else in the State. The proof is in the newspaper. How much ink is Razorback and how much is everything else. I could couldn't care less if the Hogs play asu or UALR or anyone else quite frankly.

It's the Trojanback fans that are consumed by it.

I think you are exactly right. They keep the policy because it "works". They are considered on a different level than every other program in the State by most Arkansans. They get the vast majority of the print in the paper, the time on the TV Sports reports, basically all the time on talk radio, and all the State recruits they want. Would that change if they played ASU, UALR, etc,? I think to some extent it might. I still run into people who don't think UALR is DI. Obviously, these aren't big sports fans but it's a perception that's out there among many Arkansans. That would change if they played local schools, especially if they occasionally lost. If they played ASU in football, ASU wouldn't become a national power but it could help them grow to a level of a Southern Miss. A school that, I'm sure, takes some recruits away from Ole Miss and MSU, and has developed somewhat of a national reputation. I don't like the policy and may rant about it being "outdated" or "stupid". But there is no doubt it has served UAF well and unless they see a direct benefit to themselves, I doubt they will change it.

(09-17-2009 11:31 AM)mjs Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 10:25 PM)Scotto Wrote:  I think The Policy has allowed them to capture the majority of the State, by not acknowledging any one else in the State. The proof is in the newspaper. How much ink is Razorback and how much is everything else. I could couldn't care less if the Hogs play asu or UALR or anyone else quite frankly.

It's the Trojanback fans that are consumed by it.

I think you are exactly right. They keep the policy because it "works". They are considered on a different level than every other program in the State by most Arkansans. They get the vast majority of the print in the paper, the time on the TV Sports reports, basically all the time on talk radio, and all the State recruits they want. Would that change if they played ASU, UALR, etc,? I think to some extent it might. I still run into people who don't think UALR is DI. Obviously, these aren't big sports fans but it's a perception that's out there among many Arkansans. That would change if they played local schools, especially if they occasionally lost. If they played ASU in football, ASU wouldn't become a national power but it could help them grow to a level of a Southern Miss. A school that, I'm sure, takes some recruits away from Ole Miss and MSU, and has developed somewhat of a national reputation. I don't like the policy and may rant about it being "outdated" or "stupid". But there is no doubt it has served UAF well and unless they see a direct benefit to themselves, I doubt they will change it.

Obviously it's been ages since UALR went to the NCAA tournament. I've even lost count of the number of years since we went. Perhaps some of these Arkansans of whom you speak, either were to young, or perhaps new to the state since that happened. No doubt if we could ever get there again, that would awaken some of these misguided individuals. That's another reason I am so angry that our fans accept mediocrity in our program. Many are simply satisfied if we just win the division title. That means nothing in the long run. Few people other than Trojan fans even know it when it happens. We've got to upgrade our expectations for our program. Change is inevitable, and it must come soon, or we are going to lose more of our fans who aren't satisfied with simply winning the division.

(09-17-2009 12:40 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(09-17-2009 11:31 AM)mjs Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 10:25 PM)Scotto Wrote:  I think The Policy has allowed them to capture the majority of the State, by not acknowledging any one else in the State. The proof is in the newspaper. How much ink is Razorback and how much is everything else. I could couldn't care less if the Hogs play asu or UALR or anyone else quite frankly.

It's the Trojanback fans that are consumed by it.

I think you are exactly right. They keep the policy because it "works". They are considered on a different level than every other program in the State by most Arkansans. They get the vast majority of the print in the paper, the time on the TV Sports reports, basically all the time on talk radio, and all the State recruits they want. Would that change if they played ASU, UALR, etc,? I think to some extent it might. I still run into people who don't think UALR is DI. Obviously, these aren't big sports fans but it's a perception that's out there among many Arkansans. That would change if they played local schools, especially if they occasionally lost. If they played ASU in football, ASU wouldn't become a national power but it could help them grow to a level of a Southern Miss. A school that, I'm sure, takes some recruits away from Ole Miss and MSU, and has developed somewhat of a national reputation. I don't like the policy and may rant about it being "outdated" or "stupid". But there is no doubt it has served UAF well and unless they see a direct benefit to themselves, I doubt they will change it.

Obviously it's been ages since UALR went to the NCAA tournament. I've even lost count of the number of years since we went. Perhaps some of these Arkansans of whom you speak, either were to young, or perhaps new to the state since that happened. No doubt if we could ever get there again, that would awaken some of these misguided individuals. That's another reason I am so angry that our fans accept mediocrity in our program. Many are simply satisfied if we just win the division title. That means nothing in the long run. Few people other than Trojan fans even know it when it happens. We've got to upgrade our expectations for our program. Change is inevitable, and it must come soon, or we are going to lose more of our fans who aren't satisfied with simply winning the division.

There should be only one reason to have two divisions. At the end of the season, the division winners should play each other for the right to represent the league in the NCAA. Otherwise, have no divisions, and either let the league champion represent the league in the NCAA or have a one game playoff between the number one and number two team in the league, with the winner going to the NCAA and the loser going to the NIT. That makes a lot more sense to me than the current system.
I know some of you like the idea of all teams having the right to go to the NCAA if they win the league tournament. I think that's a crappy idea for a one bid league. In the SEC, yes. They're going to have four to six teams in the tournament anyone, the league champion guaranteed, so what difference does it make if a fifth place team wins the tournament. But in a one bid league like the SBC, it stinks. The team that has been the most consistent during the year should go. They earned it. Otherwise it totally diminishes the regular season, which isn't fair, IMO. With my first suggested way to handle it, then a division title really means something.

(09-17-2009 12:51 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(09-17-2009 12:40 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(09-17-2009 11:31 AM)mjs Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 10:25 PM)Scotto Wrote:  I think The Policy has allowed them to capture the majority of the State, by not acknowledging any one else in the State. The proof is in the newspaper. How much ink is Razorback and how much is everything else. I could couldn't care less if the Hogs play asu or UALR or anyone else quite frankly.

It's the Trojanback fans that are consumed by it.

I think you are exactly right. They keep the policy because it "works". They are considered on a different level than every other program in the State by most Arkansans. They get the vast majority of the print in the paper, the time on the TV Sports reports, basically all the time on talk radio, and all the State recruits they want. Would that change if they played ASU, UALR, etc,? I think to some extent it might. I still run into people who don't think UALR is DI. Obviously, these aren't big sports fans but it's a perception that's out there among many Arkansans. That would change if they played local schools, especially if they occasionally lost. If they played ASU in football, ASU wouldn't become a national power but it could help them grow to a level of a Southern Miss. A school that, I'm sure, takes some recruits away from Ole Miss and MSU, and has developed somewhat of a national reputation. I don't like the policy and may rant about it being "outdated" or "stupid". But there is no doubt it has served UAF well and unless they see a direct benefit to themselves, I doubt they will change it.

Obviously it's been ages since UALR went to the NCAA tournament. I've even lost count of the number of years since we went. Perhaps some of these Arkansans of whom you speak, either were to young, or perhaps new to the state since that happened. No doubt if we could ever get there again, that would awaken some of these misguided individuals. That's another reason I am so angry that our fans accept mediocrity in our program. Many are simply satisfied if we just win the division title. That means nothing in the long run. Few people other than Trojan fans even know it when it happens. We've got to upgrade our expectations for our program. Change is inevitable, and it must come soon, or we are going to lose more of our fans who aren't satisfied with simply winning the division.

There should be only one reason to have two divisions. At the end of the season, the division winners should play each other for the right to represent the league in the NCAA. Otherwise, have no divisions, and either let the league champion represent the league in the NCAA or have a one game playoff between the number one and number two team in the league, with the winner going to the NCAA and the loser going to the NIT. That makes a lot more sense to me than the current system.
I know some of you like the idea of all teams having the right to go to the NCAA if they win the league tournament. I think that's a crappy idea for a one bid league. In the SEC, yes. They're going to have four to six teams in the tournament anyone, the league champion guaranteed, so what difference does it make if a fifth place team wins the tournament. But in a one bid league like the SBC, it stinks. The team that has been the most consistent during the year should go. They earned it. Otherwise it totally diminishes the regular season, which isn't fair, IMO. With my first suggested way to handle it, then a division title really means something.

Your idea doesn't sound bad to me, but it'll never fly. Those that can't ever get to the top two spots want that tiny chance that they'll actually grab the "gold ring".

(09-17-2009 12:55 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(09-17-2009 12:51 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(09-17-2009 12:40 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(09-17-2009 11:31 AM)mjs Wrote:  

(09-16-2009 10:25 PM)Scotto Wrote:  I think The Policy has allowed them to capture the majority of the State, by not acknowledging any one else in the State. The proof is in the newspaper. How much ink is Razorback and how much is everything else. I could couldn't care less if the Hogs play asu or UALR or anyone else quite frankly.

It's the Trojanback fans that are consumed by it.

I think you are exactly right. They keep the policy because it "works". They are considered on a different level than every other program in the State by most Arkansans. They get the vast majority of the print in the paper, the time on the TV Sports reports, basically all the time on talk radio, and all the State recruits they want. Would that change if they played ASU, UALR, etc,? I think to some extent it might. I still run into people who don't think UALR is DI. Obviously, these aren't big sports fans but it's a perception that's out there among many Arkansans. That would change if they played local schools, especially if they occasionally lost. If they played ASU in football, ASU wouldn't become a national power but it could help them grow to a level of a Southern Miss. A school that, I'm sure, takes some recruits away from Ole Miss and MSU, and has developed somewhat of a national reputation. I don't like the policy and may rant about it being "outdated" or "stupid". But there is no doubt it has served UAF well and unless they see a direct benefit to themselves, I doubt they will change it.

Obviously it's been ages since UALR went to the NCAA tournament. I've even lost count of the number of years since we went. Perhaps some of these Arkansans of whom you speak, either were to young, or perhaps new to the state since that happened. No doubt if we could ever get there again, that would awaken some of these misguided individuals. That's another reason I am so angry that our fans accept mediocrity in our program. Many are simply satisfied if we just win the division title. That means nothing in the long run. Few people other than Trojan fans even know it when it happens. We've got to upgrade our expectations for our program. Change is inevitable, and it must come soon, or we are going to lose more of our fans who aren't satisfied with simply winning the division.

There should be only one reason to have two divisions. At the end of the season, the division winners should play each other for the right to represent the league in the NCAA. Otherwise, have no divisions, and either let the league champion represent the league in the NCAA or have a one game playoff between the number one and number two team in the league, with the winner going to the NCAA and the loser going to the NIT. That makes a lot more sense to me than the current system.
I know some of you like the idea of all teams having the right to go to the NCAA if they win the league tournament. I think that's a crappy idea for a one bid league. In the SEC, yes. They're going to have four to six teams in the tournament anyone, the league champion guaranteed, so what difference does it make if a fifth place team wins the tournament. But in a one bid league like the SBC, it stinks. The team that has been the most consistent during the year should go. They earned it. Otherwise it totally diminishes the regular season, which isn't fair, IMO. With my first suggested way to handle it, then a division title really means something.

Your idea doesn't sound bad to me, but it'll never fly. Those that can't ever get to the top two spots want that tiny chance that they'll actually grab the "gold ring".

With the two division winners playing for the NCAA berth, everyone has a chance. Or if you really want to make it interesting, break it up into four divisions, with a four team playoff for the NCAA bid. Let the one with the best record have a bye into a final game with the other three playing for the right to play that team. Hold the tournament at the home of the champion. You'll have good crowds because the home team will be guaranteed a spot in the final game. I really like this idea. Gives four teams a chance, but the best for the year is in the final game at home, which they have earned. I'm implementing this policy as soon as the Hot Springs contract runs out.