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Al Qaeda now knows what it means to be terrorized
The al Qaeda and Taliban leadership in Pakistan are having a growing problem with American UAV attacks.

So far this year, the American Hellfire missiles have been used 31 times, causing 365 deaths (mostly al Qaeda or Taliban members, including over twenty senior leaders).

For all of 2008, there were 36 attacks, causing 317 deaths. The UAV campaign actually began in earnest 11 months ago. Since then, there have been over fifty attacks, causing over 500 deaths. The rate of attacks has been increasing this year.

While the terrorist groups are concerned about the losses, especially among the leadership, what alarms them the most is how frequently the American UAVs are finding their key people. The real problem the terrorists have is that someone is ratting them out. Someone, or something, is helping the Americans find the terrorist leaders.

It wasn't always that way. In 2007, there were only five UAV attacks, three in 2006, one in 2005 and one in 2004. Back then, it wasn't just the lack of identified targets that kept the UAVs away, but fewer UAVs, and Pakistani resistance to American UAVs making attacks inside Pakistan (even though the targets were terrorists attacking Pakistanis, including senior leaders.) By 2008, the Pakistanis changed their mind.

This Hellfire campaign is hitting al Qaeda at the very top, although only 22 percent of the attacks so far have taken out any of the most senior leaders. But that means over half the senior leadership have been killed or badly wounded.

Perhaps even greater damage has been done to the terrorist middle management. These are old and experienced lieutenants, as well as young up-and-comers. They are the glue that holds al Qaeda and the Taliban together. Their loss is one reason why it's easier to get more information on where leaders are, and why rank-and-file al Qaeda and Taliban are less effective of late..

While al Qaeda believes local Pakistanis are responsible for leaking location information to the Americans, it's a bit more complicated than that. First of all, the U.S. has had a good informant network in the Pakistani tribal territories for the last few years, especially in the Taliban heartland of North and South Waziristan. This is a relatively small area (11,500 square kilometers) of mountains and forests along the Afghan border.

Over a decade ago, U.S. intelligence operatives returned to the Afghan border area, and began developing an informant network inside Afghanistan, using tribal connections on the Pakistani side. This was a tedious business, especially in Waziristan. After September 11, 2001, this network was worked with greater urgency.

The growing force of Predator (and later the larger Reaper) UAVs were available to run round-the-clock surveillance on what was going on down there. The main obstacle to using all this information was the Pakistani president (Pervez Musharraf), an army general who did not want to anger the tribesmen by letting the Americans launch a lot of Hellfire missiles from their UAVs. Musharraf insisted on personally approving each Hellfire strike, and he did not do this very often. Musharraf lost his job last August. The U.S. and the new civilian government agreed that it was now open season on al Qaeda.

The U.S. intelligence network in Pakistan had connections everywhere. Even pro-Taliban tribesmen were willing to earn some money by informing on al Qaeda. That's because many Taliban did not like the al Qaeda people (most of the them foreigners) much at all. The Taliban has tried to maintain good, or at least civil, relations with al Qaeda. But that efforts has frayed to the point where al Qaeda big shots like Osama bin Laden spends most of his time staying hidden from U.S. UAVs, Pakistani troops and hostile Pushtun tribesmen.

Pakistani officials believe that the multimillion dollar rewards on bin Laden and other al Qaeda leaders may now actually work. The problem has always been that you can't capture an al Qaeda big shot without the assent of local tribal leaders. For a large chunk of that reward, that assent may now be had from some chiefs, and bin Laden knows it. He also knows that he has lost an irreplaceable number of veteran leaders, to U.S. Hellfire missiles, in the last eleven months.

Rumor has it that big money was paid for the information that made some of these attacks possible. It's bad enough that al Qaeda is losing senior people, it's worse that they are now seen, by local tribesmen, as a way to get rich. Al Qaeda leaders now know what it's like to be terrorized.


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So is this a good thing Obama is doing or do you have a problem with this for some reason?
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(07-26-2009 01:12 PM)RobertN Wrote:  So is this a good thing Obama is doing or do you have a problem with this for some reason?

didn't it say this program began in earnest 11 months ago? Obama's only been pres. for about 6 months, right?
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(07-26-2009 01:16 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 01:12 PM)RobertN Wrote:  So is this a good thing Obama is doing or do you have a problem with this for some reason?

didn't it say this program began in earnest 11 months ago? Obama's only been pres. for about 6 months, right?
Yes it did. It also said it picked up the pace since Obama took over.
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(07-26-2009 01:49 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 01:16 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 01:12 PM)RobertN Wrote:  So is this a good thing Obama is doing or do you have a problem with this for some reason?
didn't it say this program began in earnest 11 months ago? Obama's only been pres. for about 6 months, right?
Yes it did. It also said it picked up the pace since Obama took over.

I think it has picked up the pace as more assets have become available.
But I should give Obama credit for becoming more aggressive in Afghanistan.
I said during the campaign that this was the one thing he had said that I agreed with.
We should have finished the job in Afghanistan before going into Iraq.
If Shrub had done that, we might have been spared from Obama.
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Golly gee whiz, the Dems go nuts over a developmental, non-operational "secret" CIA plan to whack AQ operatives, but have no problem whacking AQ operatives without prior Congressional "approval" using the Drones.

I think that whole deal about "Cheney's secret CIA plan" has been exposed as diversion to get the heat off of "Marsh Mouse" Nancy Pelosi for her BS allegations of CIA "lies".
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(07-26-2009 04:04 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Golly gee whiz, the Dems go nuts over a developmental, non-operational "secret" CIA plan to whack AQ operatives, but have no problem whacking AQ operatives without prior Congressional "approval" using the Drones.

You won't hear that on CNN. Amazing, isn't it?

(07-26-2009 04:04 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  I think that whole deal about "Cheney's secret CIA plan" has been exposed as diversion to get the heat off of "Marsh Mouse" Nancy Pelosi for her BS allegations of CIA "lies".

I still don't know why the republicans are letting this die down. Crap, the group that gives daily briefings to the president, who then decides if we will or won't nuke somebody that day based on what he's been told, is given his info by "liars" is nothing short of incredible.
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(07-26-2009 09:03 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 04:04 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Golly gee whiz, the Dems go nuts over a developmental, non-operational "secret" CIA plan to whack AQ operatives, but have no problem whacking AQ operatives without prior Congressional "approval" using the Drones.

You won't hear that on CNN. Amazing, isn't it?

(07-26-2009 04:04 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  I think that whole deal about "Cheney's secret CIA plan" has been exposed as diversion to get the heat off of "Marsh Mouse" Nancy Pelosi for her BS allegations of CIA "lies".

I still don't know why the republicans are letting this die down. Crap, the group that gives daily briefings to the president, who then decides if we will or won't nuke somebody that day based on what he's been told, is given his info by "liars" is nothing short of incredible.

It is much worse than that, Obama has appointed 37 Czars, and they are not subject to Congressional oversight, report directly to Obama.
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I heard on the radio today that the CIA has in their hands a guy who knows a lot about AQ and he's singing like a bird. The story pretty much said that since this guy starting giving us info AQ began dying at a faster rate.
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(07-26-2009 09:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I heard on the radio today that the CIA has in their hands a guy who knows a lot about AQ and he's singing like a bird. The story pretty much said that since this guy starting giving us info AQ began dying at a faster rate.
Hmm. Sounds like waterboarding isn't being done anymore if we are getting actual info instead of the bull**** we got from waterboarding. 05-stirthepot
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(07-26-2009 09:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 09:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I heard on the radio today that the CIA has in their hands a guy who knows a lot about AQ and he's singing like a bird. The story pretty much said that since this guy starting giving us info AQ began dying at a faster rate.
Hmm. Sounds like waterboarding isn't being done anymore if we are getting actual info instead of the bull**** we got from waterboarding. 05-stirthepot

Hmm, what BS did we get from water sports?
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(07-26-2009 09:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 09:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I heard on the radio today that the CIA has in their hands a guy who knows a lot about AQ and he's singing like a bird. The story pretty much said that since this guy starting giving us info AQ began dying at a faster rate.
Hmm. Sounds like waterboarding isn't being done anymore if we are getting actual info instead of the bull**** we got from waterboarding. 05-stirthepot

How do you know HE wasn't waterboarded?
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yea, your facts show KSM gave us BS intel? prove that.

Why do we keep going over the same thing over and over for your stupidass.
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(07-26-2009 09:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 09:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 09:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I heard on the radio today that the CIA has in their hands a guy who knows a lot about AQ and he's singing like a bird. The story pretty much said that since this guy starting giving us info AQ began dying at a faster rate.
Hmm. Sounds like waterboarding isn't being done anymore if we are getting actual info instead of the bull**** we got from waterboarding. 05-stirthepot

Hmm, what BS did we get from water sports?
03-confused What does water sports have to do with BS? I thought that was called something else? 03-shhhh
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(07-26-2009 10:08 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 09:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 09:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I heard on the radio today that the CIA has in their hands a guy who knows a lot about AQ and he's singing like a bird. The story pretty much said that since this guy starting giving us info AQ began dying at a faster rate.
Hmm. Sounds like waterboarding isn't being done anymore if we are getting actual info instead of the bull**** we got from waterboarding. 05-stirthepot

How do you know HE wasn't waterboarded?
If we are getting REAL intel, then I would say that is a very good indicator.
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(07-26-2009 10:08 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 09:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 09:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I heard on the radio today that the CIA has in their hands a guy who knows a lot about AQ and he's singing like a bird. The story pretty much said that since this guy starting giving us info AQ began dying at a faster rate.
Hmm. Sounds like waterboarding isn't being done anymore if we are getting actual info instead of the bull**** we got from waterboarding. 05-stirthepot

How do you know HE wasn't waterboarded?

5 words that will make any AQ operative talk:

"You won't exist any longer"

Poof, he disappears into some dark dungeon in the bottom of a Jordanian Prison.
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The UAV program is 03-thumbsup

This is the type of stuff we should have been doing all along. And we should have finished the job in Afghanistan.
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so the key was getting rid of Musharraf?

Wonder what the political situation "on the street"is looking like now, and if his fears were correct or what?

Al-Qaeda has been in shambles and throughly defeated for the most part for awhile now. The ideology and its like-minded groups still live on though.
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(07-26-2009 01:49 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 01:16 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 01:12 PM)RobertN Wrote:  So is this a good thing Obama is doing or do you have a problem with this for some reason?

didn't it say this program began in earnest 11 months ago? Obama's only been pres. for about 6 months, right?
Yes it did. It also said it picked up the pace since Obama took over.

Another idiotic post. Congrats, your streak continues.
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(07-27-2009 08:31 AM)Artifice Wrote:  The UAV program is 03-thumbsup

This is the type of stuff we should have been doing all along. And we should have finished the job in Afghanistan.

Your streak is alive too.
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