Where do I start?

Lot to hate.

Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean that you hate them.

Unless you disagree with a liberal. When you disagree with a liberal the liberal immediately claims that you hate him and whines and moans until you do hate him. Oh never mind.

(07-24-2009 12:10 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean that you hate them.

Unless you disagree with a liberal. When you disagree with a liberal the liberal immediately claims that you hate him and whines and moans until you do hate him. Oh never mind.

Have you not been reading the board?

(07-24-2009 12:15 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 12:10 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean that you hate them.

Unless you disagree with a liberal. When you disagree with a liberal the liberal immediately claims that you hate him and whines and moans until you do hate him. Oh never mind.

Have you not been reading the board?

I think he has Robert. Lots of whining and moaning from liberals thus our hate of them.

(07-24-2009 12:10 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean that you hate them.

Unless you disagree with a liberal. When you disagree with a liberal the liberal immediately claims that you hate him and whines and moans until you do hate him. Oh never mind.

Then you could be like me...have a distaste for anyone that wishes to use the power of the state to control and steal...regardless of their ideology.

I really see no real difference in Conservatives or Liberals...I'd submit that both are just flip sides of the same big government coin.

(07-24-2009 08:43 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 12:10 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean that you hate them.

Unless you disagree with a liberal. When you disagree with a liberal the liberal immediately claims that you hate him and whines and moans until you do hate him. Oh never mind.

Then you could be like me...have a distaste for anyone that wishes to use the power of the state to control and steal...regardless of their ideology.

I really see no real difference in Conservatives or Liberals...I'd submit that both are just flip sides of the same big government coin.

I would agree absolutely if you said democrats and republicans. I am a conservative. I am NOT on the big government coin. On either side and I do NOT like being equated with a liberal. I do think though that when they choose to become politicians is when they lose their souls in terms of their "use of the power of the state to control and steal".

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Why I am incensed and outraged at your accusation !!!!!

Where on Earth do you find that I hate Obamagog the Messiah.

Look at all the great things he as done for us in "6 Months" ....

AHHHH ... I am not even going to get into this silliness.

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The more the better...

(07-24-2009 01:23 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 08:43 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 12:10 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean that you hate them.

Unless you disagree with a liberal. When you disagree with a liberal the liberal immediately claims that you hate him and whines and moans until you do hate him. Oh never mind.

Then you could be like me...have a distaste for anyone that wishes to use the power of the state to control and steal...regardless of their ideology.

I really see no real difference in Conservatives or Liberals...I'd submit that both are just flip sides of the same big government coin.

I would agree absolutely if you said democrats and republicans. I am a conservative. I am NOT on the big government coin. On either side and I do NOT like being equated with a liberal. I do think though that when they choose to become politicians is when they lose their souls in terms of their "use of the power of the state to control and steal".

You say you are a conservative....Do you feel the US spends an appropriate amount of the fruits of peoples labor on defense?

I ask this not to be argumentitive but to make the point that many conservatives have no problem spending vast amounts on defense but are critical of the left on wanting to spend vast amounts on social programs.

Personally...I oppose both. I want a good defense and want to help people but I prefer a limited military and charity to help those in need.
Stop stealing from me to fund things I oppose....Thats all I ask.

We need the strongest military in the world, by a clear margin. That being said, the way to maintain a strong military without breaking the bank is to keep most of it at a reduced state of readiness most of the time. The reserve force model employed by Israel, Switzerland, or Sweden is something we take a hard look at.

(07-24-2009 01:46 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

Why I am incensed and outraged at your accusation !!!!!

Where on Earth do you find that I hate Obamagog the Messiah.

Look at all the great things he as done for us in "6 Months" ....

AHHHH ... I am not even going to get into this silliness.

.

Trip, at "the other place" how many posts called for assassinating Bush? I know I saw at least 5 or so, yet we are the haters.

(07-24-2009 09:22 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 01:46 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

Why I am incensed and outraged at your accusation !!!!!

Where on Earth do you find that I hate Obamagog the Messiah.

Look at all the great things he as done for us in "6 Months" ....

AHHHH ... I am not even going to get into this silliness.

.

Trip, at "the other place" how many posts called for assassinating Bush? I know I saw at least 5 or so, yet we are the haters.

Or a million jews.

(07-24-2009 02:02 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 01:23 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 08:43 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 12:10 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean that you hate them.

Unless you disagree with a liberal. When you disagree with a liberal the liberal immediately claims that you hate him and whines and moans until you do hate him. Oh never mind.

Then you could be like me...have a distaste for anyone that wishes to use the power of the state to control and steal...regardless of their ideology.

I really see no real difference in Conservatives or Liberals...I'd submit that both are just flip sides of the same big government coin.

I would agree absolutely if you said democrats and republicans. I am a conservative. I am NOT on the big government coin. On either side and I do NOT like being equated with a liberal. I do think though that when they choose to become politicians is when they lose their souls in terms of their "use of the power of the state to control and steal".

You say you are a conservative....Do you feel the US spends an appropriate amount of the fruits of peoples labor on defense?

I ask this not to be argumentitive but to make the point that many conservatives have no problem spending vast amounts on defense but are critical of the left on wanting to spend vast amounts on social programs.

Personally...I oppose both. I want a good defense and want to help people but I prefer a limited military and charity to help those in need.
Stop stealing from me to fund things I oppose....Thats all I ask.

I am a conservative. Of that there is no doubt. But I am not anti-government. I am anti-too-much government. The 4 original Cabinet departments were State, War (now Defense), Treasury and Justice. How lucky we would be with only those today. We need all of these. As to your question about defense, we need what we need. And by that I mean that situations change. The threats change. I'm not smart enough to say how many aircraft carriers we need but I would say that we need some. The decisions about what we "need" are being made by politicians and their motivation is not necessarily what's best for the country but rather what's best for them. Unfortunately there is no solution to that problem except to defeat them at the polls or absolute term limits. And by that I mean no reelections. And no moving up or down the ladder. If you've been in the House you can't run for the Senate and all the other possibilities. Of course pigs will fly before any of this happens.
The one thing we have to do is to stop approaching politics as if it were a game. There is so much emphasis on whose winning rather than is the right thing being done. Talk to the "man in the street" about say the "cap and trade" bill that recently passed the House. There are people that are happy that it passed primarily because their side won and the other side lost without having much of a clue as the the overall effect of the legislation. (It's too bad that many of those were actually voting on the issue.) And the same can be said of the losing side.
At any rate I am going back to work on that pigs flying stuff. If I can get that to work things may get a lot better.

(07-24-2009 09:28 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 09:22 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 01:46 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

Why I am incensed and outraged at your accusation !!!!!

Where on Earth do you find that I hate Obamagog the Messiah.

Look at all the great things he as done for us in "6 Months" ....

AHHHH ... I am not even going to get into this silliness.

.

Trip, at "the other place" how many posts called for assassinating Bush? I know I saw at least 5 or so, yet we are the haters.

Or a million jews.

I just wonder if Robert was actually a Live Birth or a Hatching ....

The "Boy ain't all there" and he uses me as his Mental Illness outlet. I guess his $10 Dollar an Hour Psychiatrist told him to use "Transference" as a way to stop his Delusions.

for your Transferring Delusions onto me Robs.

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Hatred for a president. Damn, this must be something new!

(07-24-2009 08:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We need the strongest military in the world, by a clear margin. That being said, the way to maintain a strong military without breaking the bank is to keep most of it at a reduced state of readiness most of the time. The reserve force model employed by Israel, Switzerland, or Sweden is something we take a hard look at.

Also...Those countries concentrate on "their" defense...Not running all over the world. What we are doing is too expensive and unnecessary. It's time for a hard look at prudent defense cuts that do not compromise security and at the same time look into cuts into social programs...particularly handouts to travelers and welfare and let private charity take care of those in need.

Until both gangs address the waste associated with their two pet issues..defense and social programs...nothing will change. We just get deeper in debt.

(07-25-2009 03:36 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 08:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We need the strongest military in the world, by a clear margin. That being said, the way to maintain a strong military without breaking the bank is to keep most of it at a reduced state of readiness most of the time. The reserve force model employed by Israel, Switzerland, or Sweden is something we take a hard look at.

Also...Those countries concentrate on "their" defense...Not running all over the world. What we are doing is too expensive and unnecessary. It's time for a hard look at prudent defense cuts that do not compromise security and at the same time look into cuts into social programs...particularly handouts to travelers and welfare and let private charity take care of those in need.
Until both gangs address the waste associated with their two pet issues..defense and social programs...nothing will change. We just get deeper in debt.

That's one huge advantage of the reserve force approach. You don't have a bunch of guys in uniform sitting around with nothing to do until you start a war somewhere. So the temptation to get involved in places we don't belong is much less.

We need to stop devoting more resources to defending Germany than Germany does, and devoting more resources to defending Japan than Japan does.

(07-25-2009 03:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-25-2009 03:36 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 08:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We need the strongest military in the world, by a clear margin. That being said, the way to maintain a strong military without breaking the bank is to keep most of it at a reduced state of readiness most of the time. The reserve force model employed by Israel, Switzerland, or Sweden is something we take a hard look at.

Also...Those countries concentrate on "their" defense...Not running all over the world. What we are doing is too expensive and unnecessary. It's time for a hard look at prudent defense cuts that do not compromise security and at the same time look into cuts into social programs...particularly handouts to travelers and welfare and let private charity take care of those in need.
Until both gangs address the waste associated with their two pet issues..defense and social programs...nothing will change. We just get deeper in debt.

That's one huge advantage of the reserve force approach. You don't have a bunch of guys in uniform sitting around with nothing to do until you start a war somewhere. So the temptation to get involved in places we don't belong is much less.

We need to stop devoting more resources to defending Germany than Germany does, and devoting more resources to defending Japan than Japan does.

Or we can encourage the Japanese to spend more on their own defense. That will get "the neighbors" attention.

(07-25-2009 12:45 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 02:02 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 01:23 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 08:43 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 12:10 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean that you hate them.

Unless you disagree with a liberal. When you disagree with a liberal the liberal immediately claims that you hate him and whines and moans until you do hate him. Oh never mind.

Then you could be like me...have a distaste for anyone that wishes to use the power of the state to control and steal...regardless of their ideology.

I really see no real difference in Conservatives or Liberals...I'd submit that both are just flip sides of the same big government coin.

I would agree absolutely if you said democrats and republicans. I am a conservative. I am NOT on the big government coin. On either side and I do NOT like being equated with a liberal. I do think though that when they choose to become politicians is when they lose their souls in terms of their "use of the power of the state to control and steal".

You say you are a conservative....Do you feel the US spends an appropriate amount of the fruits of peoples labor on defense?

I ask this not to be argumentitive but to make the point that many conservatives have no problem spending vast amounts on defense but are critical of the left on wanting to spend vast amounts on social programs.

Personally...I oppose both. I want a good defense and want to help people but I prefer a limited military and charity to help those in need.
Stop stealing from me to fund things I oppose....Thats all I ask.

I am a conservative. Of that there is no doubt. But I am not anti-government. I am anti-too-much government. The 4 original Cabinet departments were State, War (now Defense), Treasury and Justice. How lucky we would be with only those today. We need all of these. As to your question about defense, we need what we need. And by that I mean that situations change. The threats change. I'm not smart enough to say how many aircraft carriers we need but I would say that we need some. The decisions about what we "need" are being made by politicians and their motivation is not necessarily what's best for the country but rather what's best for them. Unfortunately there is no solution to that problem except to defeat them at the polls or absolute term limits. And by that I mean no reelections. And no moving up or down the ladder. If you've been in the House you can't run for the Senate and all the other possibilities. Of course pigs will fly before any of this happens.
The one thing we have to do is to stop approaching politics as if it were a game. There is so much emphasis on whose winning rather than is the right thing being done. Talk to the "man in the street" about say the "cap and trade" bill that recently passed the House. There are people that are happy that it passed primarily because their side won and the other side lost without having much of a clue as the the overall effect of the legislation. (It's too bad that many of those were actually voting on the issue.) And the same can be said of the losing side.
At any rate I am going back to work on that pigs flying stuff. If I can get that to work things may get a lot better.

I generally agree. I will say though that I see no hope for changing the system through politics on the federal level. No matter which gang you choose...The just steal and spend the fruits of your labor on what "they" deem important. We get NO say in the matter. No example could be more telling than the 1st Bush TARP proposal. 90% of faxes,emails,letters and phone calls to congressmen were in opposition to the bailout. Not only did it pass...It was ADDED to by congress. So much for working in the system.

Although I would love to see a limited government....That seems impossible. The second ours formed...it began it's expansion and has not been slowed down by ANY administration. As much as I liked Ronald Reagan...he grew the govt. by an estimated 60%...mostly defense related. I understand why..but he grew the government none the less. What I want to see is an actual reduction of the government by an adminstration. When that happens...I will go out and work in the streets to gather support for that POTUS to remain in the office until he dies.