Someone needs to tell this moron that people have a right to LIFE before firing this mental midget.

Botetourt Co., VA - Panicked and shaken, a Botetourt County woman waits for help to arrive, just minutes before her husband shoots and kills an intruder. At 10:40 Friday night, dispatchers answered a call from Houston Mines Road.

Jody Hoover - "There is a strange man outside our home, and he's hollering'."

Homeowner Jody Hoover didn't stay on the phone long.

Hoover - "I'm going to give you to my wife. I'm going to go get my gun."

Hoover loaded his 12-guage shot gun, as the intruder, Jerry Lee Jones Junior, got restless.

Jody Hoover's Wife - "Bang.. oh my God."

Dispatcher - "Ma'am what's wrong?"

Hoover's wife - "He's trying to break down the door!"

Jones also wasn't making much sense.

Dispatcher - "What's he doing now ma'am?"

Hoover’s Wife - "He's asking what day it is. He's talking something about Vietnam and 1969."

Then, Jones' ramblings turned to anger.

Hoover's wife - "Oh my gosh, he's trying to get through the door! You have got to get someone here!"

Then to violence, as he picked up a chair from the back porch...

Hoover's wife - "He's got the chair in his hand! He's counting, oh my God, oh my God! He's getting ready to come in.”

Dispatcher - "Ma'am?"

Wife - "Yes!"

Dispatcher - "What happened?

Wife - "He tried to come in and my husband shot him. And he's still moving!"

Deputies were just around the corner.

Dispatcher - "I want you to tell your husband to put the gun down."

Hoover's wife - But what if he tries to come in and attack us!

Dispatcher - "M'am, if he shot him, he's not going to get up. Tell your husband to put the gun down please."

Authorities say Jones lived about two miles away from the Hoover's home. Their investigation revealed that a man named Joe Harper dropped him off there, after Jones became violent and tried to grab the steering wheel. As we've reported, the Sheriff's Office determined this was a justifiable homicide.

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http://www.wset.com/news/stories/0409/613305.html

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(04-19-2009 03:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Someone needs to tell this moron that people have a right to LIFE before firing this mental midget.

Botetourt Co., VA - Panicked and shaken, a Botetourt County woman waits for help to arrive, just minutes before her husband shoots and kills an intruder. At 10:40 Friday night, dispatchers answered a call from Houston Mines Road.

Jody Hoover - "There is a strange man outside our home, and he's hollering'."

Homeowner Jody Hoover didn't stay on the phone long.

Hoover - "I'm going to give you to my wife. I'm going to go get my gun."

Hoover loaded his 12-guage shot gun, as the intruder, Jerry Lee Jones Junior, got restless.

Jody Hoover's Wife - "Bang.. oh my God."

Dispatcher - "Ma'am what's wrong?"

Hoover's wife - "He's trying to break down the door!"

Jones also wasn't making much sense.

Dispatcher - "What's he doing now ma'am?"

Hoover’s Wife - "He's asking what day it is. He's talking something about Vietnam and 1969."

Then, Jones' ramblings turned to anger.

Hoover's wife - "Oh my gosh, he's trying to get through the door! You have got to get someone here!"

Then to violence, as he picked up a chair from the back porch...

Hoover's wife - "He's got the chair in his hand! He's counting, oh my God, oh my God! He's getting ready to come in.”

Dispatcher - "Ma'am?"

Wife - "Yes!"

Dispatcher - "What happened?

Wife - "He tried to come in and my husband shot him. And he's still moving!"

Deputies were just around the corner.

Dispatcher - "I want you to tell your husband to put the gun down."

Hoover's wife - But what if he tries to come in and attack us!

Dispatcher - "M'am, if he shot him, he's not going to get up. Tell your husband to put the gun down please."

Authorities say Jones lived about two miles away from the Hoover's home. Their investigation revealed that a man named Joe Harper dropped him off there, after Jones became violent and tried to grab the steering wheel. As we've reported, the Sheriff's Office determined this was a justifiable homicide.

Story
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/0409/613305.html

Video
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/0409/613305_video.html

Poor Trippy.

Seriously, I understand where you are coming from. I understand why he would not want to put the gun away because the guy was still moving. But I can see the operators point of view. What the 911 operator wanted the person to do is not be waving a gun around when the police show up. THis could lead to confusion of the situation. The cops wouldn't know if he was the owner or the intruder.

The operator is setting miles away safe. The operator can shove her point of view.

(04-19-2009 04:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  The operator is setting miles away safe. The operator can shove her point of view.

You my "friend" are an idiot. I never said the operator was anywhere near the situation. I even said I understand what you were saying and agree with it(which I think is a first) but I am saying that she was worried about what might happen if the "good guy" is running around waving a gun when the cops show up. It could go bad in the confusion of what is going on.

(04-19-2009 07:10 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-19-2009 04:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  The operator is setting miles away safe. The operator can shove her point of view.

You my "friend" are an idiot. I never said the operator was anywhere near the situation. I even said I understand what you were saying and agree with it(which I think is a first) but I am saying that she was worried about what might happen if the "good guy" is running around waving a gun when the cops show up. It could go bad in the confusion of what is going on.

Well, one would certainly hope that if the "good guy" was the owner of the house, and if the dead guy was an illegal intruder, and if the good guy's wife was the surviving witness and able to corroborate his story, that the situation would sort itself out pretty easily so that the fear you describe would be unwarranted.

Of course here in Texas, when the 911 operator told the guy to put the gun down instead of shooting the looters, the next thing you hear on the 911 tape is the guy shooting and killing the looters. And the DA didn't even pursue it, because I'm sure there are few Texas grand juries, if any, who would indict on those facts. I really don't think a little vigilante justice is a bad idea.

(04-19-2009 07:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I really don't think a little vigilante justice is a bad idea.

:ncaabbs: :ncaabbs: :ncaabbs: :ncaabbs: :ncaabbs:

It's funny how things are viewed differently from state to state. A while back a cop friend of mine told me California cops and DA's have a dimmer view of all shootings, justified or not, than most states. He said the state views the loss of life as being more tragic than the loss of a TV set or a broken window. If some crook broke through my front door the first thing I'd have to do is round up the wife and kid and get them out the back door. If the crook followed we'd all have to hop the fence. The only time I can shoot is when I have no escape and have a reasonable fear of me or my family being killed. Even then, when the cops arrive they'll treat the crook like the victim and the victim like the crook. I'll probably get hauled off and held until either being bailed out or having the shooting justified by the DA. I think the Texas way is better.

(04-19-2009 07:10 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-19-2009 04:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  The operator is setting miles away safe. The operator can shove her point of view.

You my "friend" are an idiot. I never said the operator was anywhere near the situation. I even said I understand what you were saying and agree with it(which I think is a first) but I am saying that she was worried about what might happen if the "good guy" is running around waving a gun when the cops show up. It could go bad in the confusion of what is going on.

I never said otherwise. (notice the absents of "friend")

As far as the rest of your babbling, the guy hit his target. So I can reasonably assume he knows how to handle his gun and is responsible and would not be waving his gun around causing confusion for the police. You on the other hand un-reasonably make the assumption he would act differantly.

In Texas deadly force is justified at night to protect life or property on your property.
During the day deadly force is justified to protect life or property within the confines of your home.
Deadly force is also justified off your property to protect yourself or others life if you have a reasonable fear for life. Provided you have a CCL. As I understand it.

Joe Horn was no-billed by the Houston Grand Jury for the death of two blacks breaking into his neighbors house, while on the phone with 911. That was during the day, but the two men tried to bumrush Joe so he fired, killing both men. Had a reasonable fear for his life, on his property. Jesee Jackson, Al Sharpton parades their black asses up and down the streets of Houston seeking the prosecution of Joe Horn.

(04-19-2009 04:38 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Poor Trippy.

Seriously, I understand where you are coming from. I understand why he would not want to put the gun away because the guy was still moving. But I can see the operators point of view. What the 911 operator wanted the person to do is not be waving a gun around when the police show up. THis could lead to confusion of the situation. The cops wouldn't know if he was the owner or the intruder.

I knew I would be your main target on this one Robbie ...

And the Intruder got off easy with this guy .... I have been TRAINED to KEEP SHOOTING 'TIL THE THREAT IS "GONE" ..... and my interpretation of that is, if I have a '90 Round Drum' in my Weapon, then the Intruder has 90 holes in his ass ...

And that is 40 good years of Training to go to Court With Rob ...

Savvy Poppie ???

But of course you don't savvy, because you care for nothing enough to Kill to Protect It ...

No problems, because it is all the same dead scum in the end and Some of Us have to be Men Enough to Do It to Protect the Weak and Innocent like you Robs ....

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(04-19-2009 07:34 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-19-2009 07:10 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-19-2009 04:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  The operator is setting miles away safe. The operator can shove her point of view.

You my "friend" are an idiot. I never said the operator was anywhere near the situation. I even said I understand what you were saying and agree with it(which I think is a first) but I am saying that she was worried about what might happen if the "good guy" is running around waving a gun when the cops show up. It could go bad in the confusion of what is going on.

Well, one would certainly hope that if the "good guy" was the owner of the house, and if the dead guy was an illegal intruder, and if the good guy's wife was the surviving witness and able to corroborate his story, that the situation would sort itself out pretty easily so that the fear you describe would be unwarranted.

Of course here in Texas, when the 911 operator told the guy to put the gun down instead of shooting the looters, the next thing you hear on the 911 tape is the guy shooting and killing the looters. And the DA didn't even pursue it, because I'm sure there are few Texas grand juries, if any, who would indict on those facts. I really don't think a little vigilante justice is a bad idea.

Yes, one would hope that would be the case but when the police pull up and see a guy waving a gun and a man laying on the porch that appears to be dead, it is very likely that the cops will pull their guns. When this happens anything is possible.

(04-20-2009 09:58 AM)Tripster Wrote:  

(04-19-2009 04:38 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Poor Trippy.

Seriously, I understand where you are coming from. I understand why he would not want to put the gun away because the guy was still moving. But I can see the operators point of view. What the 911 operator wanted the person to do is not be waving a gun around when the police show up. THis could lead to confusion of the situation. The cops wouldn't know if he was the owner or the intruder.

I knew I would be your main target on this one Robbie ...

And the Intruder got off easy with this guy .... I have been TRAINED to KEEP SHOOTING 'TIL THE THREAT IS "GONE" ..... and my interpretation of that is, if I have a '90 Round Drum' in my Weapon, then the Intruder has 90 holes in his ass ...

And that is 40 good years of Training to go to Court With Rob ...

Savvy Poppie ???

But of course you don't savvy, because you care for nothing enough to Kill to Protect It ...

No problems, because it is all the same dead scum in the end and Some of Us have to be Men Enough to Do It to Protect the Weak and Innocent like you Robs ....

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Well, the mans description DID sound like you. You live only one state away so anything is possible. Btw, the fact that you have been trained to keep shooting until the threat is eliminated scares the hell out of me because of your lack of mental health. I can see you losing it someday and taking out us "socialists".

(04-20-2009 01:13 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Well, the mans description DID sound like you. You live only one state away so anything is possible. Btw, the fact that you have been trained to keep shooting until the threat is eliminated scares the hell out of me because of your lack of mental health. I can see you losing it someday and taking out us "socialists".

When you "Socialist" start a war with my United States Republic, then you betcha combat boots I will do all I can to take you out.

Just wear some Black Pajamas for me so it will bring back Old Times ..... OK ???

Remember, the White House and the Half Blood Prince says I am a "Military Veteran Right Wing Extremist Terrorist" and am a Legal Target .....

I happen to Like being a Target .... makes the Blood Flow in a way even Sex doesn't .... best learn all you can in Basic Training Robs, I can hide in your carpet and you not see me ... LOL

Cherry FNG's ..... DOA baby ,,, DOA ....

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