(04-19-2009 05:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-19-2009 09:11 AM)Tripster Wrote:  

(04-19-2009 02:00 AM)RobertN Wrote:  You guys are still hoping against hope that the Iraqi's had nukes? THe world has seen through that crap and laughs at us for still believing it. You still hope that you weren't lied to. Very sad.

As for the Israelies bombing Iran, if they do, you can be sure that it will be the start of some REALLY bad thing in this world-ending up in WWIII and the end of the world as we know it.

ROBERT !!!!!! I am shocked and taken aback by your Ugly Attitude here ....

You are sounding like one of those Scared Conservatives you are always putting down for just 'Thinking Ahead" and preparing for What Is Inevitable.

I hope Israel knocks Iran so far out into space that there is a huge New Gulf between Iraq and Afghanistan ....

I despise their very guts and hope the absolute worst for them .....

And don't give me any of that Cry-Baby Crap about Innocent Women and Children .... there are enough young men over there that could take Hoc-a-Lugi-Jihad and his Ayatollah-Ass-a-Holla's, Mullahs, Sheiks, Deeks, Geeks, and Freaks out without all of this other mess.

If the majority of the Iranian People want peace and to be left alone, then KILL these Bastards and shut them up .... it is these Despots who are the Cause and Effect of Their Own Evil Doing, not the U.S. or Israel.

Well SURELY not the U.S. with The Cowardly Ring Kisser now in the Oval Office, but I am just saying ..... ya know ....

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Well now, isn't that great. Lets just kill ten million+ people who don't hate us in order to get a few 1000 that don't. Brilliant! You should run for President under the platform, "The New Crusades". I am sure you will get a large part of the southern "Christian" rightwing nutcases and a large number of Jewish people.

Not fully reading the Post again I see .....

Usual Robert every one .....

Let them who live there and hate what the Crazies do in their Country rise up and Stop It !!!!!!

Stop whining and crying when some country who is Directly Threatened by you, comes in and just pummels the hell out of you to spank the few who YOU could have taken out your self.

If the Innocent of Iran, who do not hate Israel or the United States, want to avert this Horrible and Devastating Air Attack, then Group Up, Go Enforce, Take These Despot Criminals, Hang and Behead them on Al Ja-Jism, then Declare the Country Neutral as far as being a Military Threat.

Don't blame one damn soul other than your own, when your Innocent Family is blown to pieces when YOU, Oh Citizen, could have gathered together and STOPPED IT by Cutting the Heads off the Snakes and Daring any New Snakes to Slither IN !!!!!!!

ROBERT !!!!!!!

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(04-20-2009 09:35 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(04-19-2009 05:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-19-2009 05:07 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I'm not sure I buy Saudi involvement or assistance in any Israeli strikes on Iran - yet. Evidence seems a bit thin.

I've heard it from some sources in the area.
The Saudis do fear Iran, probably more strongly than any negative feelings toward Israel. Israel has accomplished some fairly high-profile operations with Saudi assistance.
Saudis do expect that any retaliation will be directed against them.
I don't think Iran can really hit Israel with anything.

I have no doubt that if this happens, the Saudis will have to assist them at least passively if not actively. Regardless of that, I have no doubt that you're right about the retaliation hitting Saudi oil installations. The only bit that I'd question is that Iran can't strike back at Israel - they may not be able to do it directly, but they have proxies in Hezbollah and Hamas that would almost surely attempt to strike at Israel regardless of whether they were directed to do so by Iran or not (and they would be).

As soon as the Israeli strike force goes "feet wet" eastbound over the Persian Gulf, you can expect the biggest air defense scramble on the Arabian Peninsula since 1991.

Everything capable of getting airborne between Muscat and Basra will be up and looking for aircraft heading west. I just hope they all get the message about the "safe" corridor because the likely divert/refuel bases will be al-Jaber in Kuwait and/or King Khalid Military City in Saudi Arabia.

(04-20-2009 10:11 AM)Tripster Wrote:  

(04-19-2009 05:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-19-2009 09:11 AM)Tripster Wrote:  

(04-19-2009 02:00 AM)RobertN Wrote:  You guys are still hoping against hope that the Iraqi's had nukes? THe world has seen through that crap and laughs at us for still believing it. You still hope that you weren't lied to. Very sad.

As for the Israelies bombing Iran, if they do, you can be sure that it will be the start of some REALLY bad thing in this world-ending up in WWIII and the end of the world as we know it.

ROBERT !!!!!! I am shocked and taken aback by your Ugly Attitude here ....

You are sounding like one of those Scared Conservatives you are always putting down for just 'Thinking Ahead" and preparing for What Is Inevitable.

I hope Israel knocks Iran so far out into space that there is a huge New Gulf between Iraq and Afghanistan ....

I despise their very guts and hope the absolute worst for them .....

And don't give me any of that Cry-Baby Crap about Innocent Women and Children .... there are enough young men over there that could take Hoc-a-Lugi-Jihad and his Ayatollah-Ass-a-Holla's, Mullahs, Sheiks, Deeks, Geeks, and Freaks out without all of this other mess.

If the majority of the Iranian People want peace and to be left alone, then KILL these Bastards and shut them up .... it is these Despots who are the Cause and Effect of Their Own Evil Doing, not the U.S. or Israel.

Well SURELY not the U.S. with The Cowardly Ring Kisser now in the Oval Office, but I am just saying ..... ya know ....

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Well now, isn't that great. Lets just kill ten million+ people who don't hate us in order to get a few 1000 that don't. Brilliant! You should run for President under the platform, "The New Crusades". I am sure you will get a large part of the southern "Christian" rightwing nutcases and a large number of Jewish people.

Not fully reading the Post again I see .....

Usual Robert every one .....

Let them who live there and hate what the Crazies do in their Country rise up and Stop It !!!!!!

Stop whining and crying when some country who is Directly Threatened by you, comes in and just pummels the hell out of you to spank the few who YOU could have taken out your self.

If the Innocent of Iran, who do not hate Israel or the United States, want to avert this Horrible and Devastating Air Attack, then Group Up, Go Enforce, Take These Despot Criminals, Hang and Behead them on Al Ja-Jism, then Declare the Country Neutral as far as being a Military Threat.

Don't blame one damn soul other than your own, when your Innocent Family is blown to pieces when YOU, Oh Citizen, could have gathered together and STOPPED IT by Cutting the Heads off the Snakes and Daring any New Snakes to Slither IN !!!!!!!

ROBERT !!!!!!!

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Maybe we should find a way to help the citizens of Iran to do just that. Once Israel hits, many will no longer be on our side and some/many will turn to AQ and other extremist groups. Is that really what you want?

(04-21-2009 02:34 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Maybe we should find a way to help the citizens of Iran to do just that. Once Israel hits, many will no longer be on our side and some/many will turn to AQ and other extremist groups. Is that really what you want?

No, it isn't what I want at all.

I know there is a movement in Iran by young idealist who want a 'Different Iran' than this dark, ugly, oppressive one they are imprisoned in at present, but how do 'WE' help them Robert ???

Every time we have "Tried to Help a Nations Leader", we have ended up with a Saddam Hussein, Daniel Ortega, Manuel Noriega, and so many others that Liberals all love to shove back in our faces the very second it all goes sour.

So you want us to "Help Iran" take out Ahmadinejad, his Ayatollah's, Mullah's, Clerics, Radical Tribal Chieftains and secure the country for the Young Idealist to take over and run .... is that what you want ???

So NOW, it is 2 Years down the road (2011), and we are worse off than with Ahmadinejad and believe me, there is Worse than he out there.

What do you say to us "Good Guys in White Hats and White Boots riding Hi 'O Silver" ????

You curse us and you blame us for "Being The WORLDS POLICE" and always meddling in other countries affairs .....

So I say screw that nonsense and just let the Planes Fly and the Bombs Fall ...

If there is to be war, then I can try to become an Israeli Citizen and Soldier.

We can't win with you Liberals Robert, always backstabbing us in situations like this - - it is too costly in the longer run than the IAF just going ahead and making their Air Strike happen ....

People will die 10,000 miles away, because Americans LOVE to Play " Political I GOTCHA" like a bunch of spoiled, ignorant brats.

You just Remember that Robert ... you remember that good ......

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(04-21-2009 02:34 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Maybe we should find a way to help the citizens of Iran to do just that. Once Israel hits, many will no longer be on our side and some/many will turn to AQ and other extremist groups. Is that really what you want?

Hmmm.. Robert.. AQ is Sunni... Iranians are Shia. I don't see a bunch of Shias flocking to join a Sunni Terrorist group. In fact the only thing AQ hates more than the Infidels are the Shia.

I think if the Israelis decapitate the Mullahs in an airstrike, the Iranians would revolt and throw out the Government. There is the end of the Iranian nuclear program.

(04-21-2009 09:02 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(04-21-2009 02:34 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Maybe we should find a way to help the citizens of Iran to do just that. Once Israel hits, many will no longer be on our side and some/many will turn to AQ and other extremist groups. Is that really what you want?

Hmmm.. Robert.. AQ is Sunni... Iranians are Shia. I don't see a bunch of Shias flocking to join a Sunni Terrorist group. In fact the only thing AQ hates more than the Infidels are the Shia.
I think if the Israelis decapitate the Mullahs in an airstrike, the Iranians would revolt and throw out the Government. There is the end of the Iranian nuclear program.

I don't know that it's the end of the nuclear program. I think it would probably be continued under whoever took over next. I'm not sure whoever takes over next would be better, but there's a good enough chance to make it worth a dice roll. I do think we need to stay out of the way and let things run their course. There's a good chance that whoever is next won't last very long, and I don't think we want to be closely associated with another fallen regime.

AQ will be in an interesting position on this one. I'm guessing they hate Israel more than they hate Iran, but I wouldn't bet the ranch either way.

As for the Arab nations/groups, it's going to be interesting to see who takes which side. What wins out in the end--race or religion? I'm guessing race trumps religion for the Sunnis (other than AQ), since the religion tie has some disconnects. It's a closer call for the Shias, and I'm thinking they'd tend to favor religion.

(04-21-2009 02:34 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Once Israel hits, many will no longer be on our side and some/many will turn to AQ and other extremist groups. Is that really what you want?

Can you explain exactly how that is different from what we have now?

(04-21-2009 08:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  As for the Arab nations/groups, it's going to be interesting to see who takes which side. What wins out in the end--race or religion? I'm guessing race trumps religion for the Sunnis (other than AQ), since the religion tie has some disconnects. It's a closer call for the Shias, and I'm thinking they'd tend to favor religion.

IMHO, the issue is a false dichotomy. I agree with you on the Shia. As for the Sunnis, they can (1) assist Israel, (2) be grateful that the Iranian threat has been mitigated, and (3) turn against Israel all at the same time (or at least in succession, as appropriate). I would argue that things have to shake out this way ... it's just to what extent the Arab regimes play lip service without suffering consequences from "the street", which I would suspect will turn toward the Muslim Brotherhood.

I think Obama will be able to get a deal done. Iran must realize that having a democratic president will get them the best deal. They don't want to roll the dice that a conservative wins in 2012 and has no problem lighting up the Iranian capital like Bush did with Baghdad. That is the advantage of our two party system. You have good cop and bad cop. When we need to kick butt we bring in a guy like George Bush or Reagan. When we need to cool things down we bring in a Carter or a Clinton. Obama can tell them deal with him or take the chance that Palin or Romney have a quicker trigger than he does down the road.

(04-22-2009 12:37 AM)OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:  I think Obama will be able to get a deal done. Iran must realize that having a democratic president will get them the best deal. They don't want to roll the dice that a conservative wins in 2012 and has no problem lighting up the Iranian capital like Bush did with Baghdad. That is the advantage of our two party system. You have good cop and bad cop. When we need to kick butt we bring in a guy like George Bush or Reagan. When we need to cool things down we bring in a Carter or a Clinton. Obama can tell them deal with him or take the chance that Palin or Romney have a quicker trigger than he does down the road.

I am just wonderin' to myself a bit here .....

I am "wonderin'" if Osama Bin Laden and Crew are in a "4 Year Cool Down Period" too ??? (& Al Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah ???)

Seems North Korea is really in Freezer Burn Mode you know, with launching a Possible Nuclear Capable Missile just 2 weeks ago and all.

And we have seen the Somalis are basically taking an Extended Siesta as evidenced from our dealings with them over the past week as well.

And Iran, well they are so Cold, Easy, & Laid Back, that the Israelis are about 0.00001 Second away from sticking them back to when Muhammad Walked the Earth with Heavy Air Strikes on their Nuclear Weapons Centers.

Yeah, it is good to have No Strength and All Apologetic Weakness in the White House for "4 LONG YEARS" so all these Radical Crazed Groups can rest, relax, and get back on their Feet Big Time and hit us hard again by 2012 while the Mouth Piece just keeps on a Butt'in and Huh'in.

OH !!!!! THAT's RIGHT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I FORGOT !!!!!!!!!!!

The Obamagog Administration DID Locate and Define a NEW and HORRIBLE TERROR THREAT to the United States of America !!!!!!!!!

They are called "Conservative United States Military Veterans" ..... (as well as Tea Partiers too) - - so they are On The Job !!!

And HIS Administration did Publish "Classified TOP SECRET Intelligence Files" for no other reason then to KEEP Trying to Defame and Slander GW Bush .... :clap2:

So "Da Man" ain't totally "OUT DA HOWZE" after all .....

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(04-22-2009 12:37 AM)OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:  I think Obama will be able to get a deal done. Iran must realize that having a democratic president will get them the best deal. They don't want to roll the dice that a conservative wins in 2012 and has no problem lighting up the Iranian capital like Bush did with Baghdad. That is the advantage of our two party system. You have good cop and bad cop. When we need to kick butt we bring in a guy like George Bush or Reagan. When we need to cool things down we bring in a Carter or a Clinton. Obama can tell them deal with him or take the chance that Palin or Romney have a quicker trigger than he does down the road.

I believe it's the ones that may have a "quicker trigger" who cool things down. Like Reagan and Russia. Bush and Libia. I remember Carter heated things up with Iran and we voted in someone to cool their heals.

(04-22-2009 12:37 AM)OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:  I think Obama will be able to get a deal done.

Not possible. Obama's thinking not having open disagreement with Iran, will serve what purpose? The man is a fool.

(04-22-2009 12:37 AM)OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:  I think Obama will be able to get a deal done. Iran must realize that having a democratic president will get them the best deal.

Their best deal is getting the Islam bomb. Nuclear Weapon proliferation is what we are trying to prevent . What your actually saying is that Iran is likely to be appeased by a democrat in the whitehouse.

(04-22-2009 12:37 AM)OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:  They don't want to roll the dice that a conservative wins in 2012 and has no problem lighting up the Iranian capital like Bush did with Baghdad.

Just plain horseshit.

(04-22-2009 12:37 AM)OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:  That is the advantage of our two party system. You have good cop and bad cop. When we need to kick butt we bring in a guy like George Bush or Reagan. When we need to cool things down we bring in a Carter or a Clinton. Obama can tell them deal with him or take the chance that Palin or Romney have a quicker trigger than he does down the road.

This is just pathetic. Your living in a dream world. Carter did more to make Iran what it is today than any man in history. By not supporting the Shaw, the Country collapsed into chaos.

What makes you think Palin or Romney would have a "quicker trigger" than a democrat. I think, what you are really saying is that anyone with experience might make a decision to take on Iran in an aggressive way, where anybody inexperienced will not.

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SUM & Paul, moot points falling on deaf ears.

All they have to do is stop slamming Bush for 8 Years of World Military Oppression (that didn't happen) and actually face the truth and see that even when Bush had the whole shootin' match at his disposal, he let Iran just run their mouths while he "Quietly" ran Intel Programs on them just like he did in North Korea.

No big mouthed threats or Military Bullying or Posturing to Provoke a Full Out War ...

But yet NOW ... we have the "Dean of Cool" in the White House who will Lead All of Us Unwashed into the Land of Milk and Honey where we will all have 70 Virgins and Eternal Peace ... blah blah blah ..

All Bush did was try to keep us safe and from what I see of the past 7 of his 8 Years, is that HE DID JUST THAT and did it without Overthrowing, Stealing, then Socializing One Single Private Corporation and firing its CEO's and CFO's !!!!

How did Bush do it guys ???

"Quick Trigger" ....

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Hillary Clinton Wrote:Clinton also defended using diplomacy with Iran.

By trying to talk Iran out of its nuclear program, the U.S. is in a better position to organize tougher international sanctions in the event that diplomacy fails, Clinton said.

If diplomacy fails!!! Her contingency plan is for ObamaSuckAssWorthlessPieceofShit to suckoffPutin'scocknext.

Hillary Clinton Wrote:"We actually believe that by following the diplomatic path we are on, we gain credibility and influence with a number of nations who would have to participate in order to make the sanctions regime as tight and as crippling as we would want it to be," Clinton told the committee.

Russia and China - Speak of a women that has lost touch with reality.

I wonder if Ammenijad (sp?) is sleeping at home these days?