(04-08-2009 11:46 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 11:04 AM)At Ease Wrote:  

Quote:WASHINGTON, DC, Jan. 3–A new report from the Union of Concerned Scientists offers the most comprehensive documentation to date of how ExxonMobil has adopted the tobacco industry's disinformation tactics, as well as some of the same organizations and personnel, to cloud the scientific understanding of climate change and delay action on the issue. According to the report, ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16 million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations that seek to confuse the public on global warming science.

http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/g...report.pdf

Did you actually read it? The UCS continues to embarrass themselves. They are also the ones that said missile defense couldn't work.

I skimmed through to the parts where they detailed the bolded claim above.

Anything more specific or related to AGW to add?

(04-08-2009 12:06 PM)Tripster Wrote:  .

Why do we keep beating each other up on this one ????

I believe most of us agree that the Earth goes thru "Cyclic Changes" that include Weather, Climate (since Libs want to separate Weather and Climate now), Volcanic/Tectonic Activity, Floods/Drought, Snow/Lack of Snow, and on and on.

The Earth is not being affected by our menial puttering upon her in the gross way Al Gore and the Real Tinfoil Troop are screaming it is.

I'm actually willing to listen to any evidence that the Earth is being affected by human activity.

6B people, w/ machines and factories running 24/7 over the course of decades, could have a cumulative effect.
I'm willing to listen.

But, you damn well better give me evidence, and not conjecture, not hyperbole, not projections, not logical fallacies, not faulty sensor measurements, not oil company conspiracy theories, not demonstrably flawed models...if you want me to believe you know what's going on.

(04-08-2009 09:09 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 07:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  Make up your collective f'n minds. You can't change the vernacular to better suit your argument. ...of which you have none. Hell, I believe in climate change. EVERYONE believes in climate change. It's the reason there are ancient seabeds in the Sahara

I'd be very interested in having you explain how that's related to climate change. It's something akin to claiming that the Tsunami in December 2004 was related to global warming/climate change (or worse, god's punishment for wearing bikinis).

You don't believe pole shifts can be caused by climatic change?

(04-08-2009 12:30 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  But, you damn well better give me evidence, and not conjecture, not hyperbole, not projections, not logical fallacies, not faulty sensor measurements, not oil company conspiracy theories, not demonstrably flawed models...if you want me to believe you know what's going on.

That hits the nail squarely on the head. Instead, we get, "The debate is over. You're all neanderthals. You're all flat-Earthers. GW is real and we're all gonna die unless you freepers accept a 90% tax on everything from ice cream to RVs."

...but I see NO intelligent debate coming from the left. Just the notion that some unproven theory is, in fact, fact. Riiggghhhtttttt....t.

(04-08-2009 06:25 AM)Tripster Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 04:06 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Do idiots like you even know the difference between weather and climate. Oh wait. You just proved you don't know the difference so it is obvious idiots like you don't know the difference.

Let's see here ........

Weather is the "Real Time Happening" of the Earth's storms, droughts, floods, rains, snow, blizzards, freezes, heatwaves, etc etc etc ....

Climate is a Measurement of Sustained WEATHER !!!!!! WOW he says !!!!!!!

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n...ather.html

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I know what it is but it appears you had to look it up.

(04-08-2009 02:11 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 06:25 AM)Tripster Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 04:06 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Do idiots like you even know the difference between weather and climate. Oh wait. You just proved you don't know the difference so it is obvious idiots like you don't know the difference.

Let's see here ........

Weather is the "Real Time Happening" of the Earth's storms, droughts, floods, rains, snow, blizzards, freezes, heatwaves, etc etc etc ....

Climate is a Measurement of Sustained WEATHER !!!!!! WOW he says !!!!!!!

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n...ather.html

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I know what it is but it appears you had to look it up.

I'm sure he did that for you. Ain't love grand....

(04-08-2009 02:11 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I know what it is but it appears you had to look it up.

No dear little cahoonie dwarf I did not have to look it up.

And Steve is right on the money - - that link was FOR YOUR GOOFY BENEFIT since I know you are dumb on the differences and needed some schooling.

And it really matters not because it all boils down to the same thing and that is why you and your Ilk, WEAKLY changed your mantra from the Title of "Global Warming" to a more deceptively inclusive name of "Climate Change" ... it is still the Same Steaming Pile of BS, but with a New Al Gorean Twist.

What you don't know could only fit in Volumes on Mars there Robert ....

Oh, by the way, have you ever grown up enough to start shaving yet ????

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(04-08-2009 02:11 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 06:25 AM)Tripster Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 04:06 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Do idiots like you even know the difference between weather and climate. Oh wait. You just proved you don't know the difference so it is obvious idiots like you don't know the difference.

Let's see here ........

Weather is the "Real Time Happening" of the Earth's storms, droughts, floods, rains, snow, blizzards, freezes, heatwaves, etc etc etc ....

Climate is a Measurement of Sustained WEATHER !!!!!! WOW he says !!!!!!!

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n...ather.html

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I know what it is but it appears you had to look it up.

Regardless of whether he looked it up...what was your point!?

Is it that the past decade of mild temps don't mean climate change, but the prior decade of warm temps does mean climate change?

Seriously, I'd like you to espouse an opinion with facts to support it.

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Give him time to look up the Def of "Espouse" now Torch ....

You just can not rush the 'Hubris' of Robert ......

(now it will be twice as long because of 'Hubris' )

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(04-08-2009 12:55 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 09:09 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 07:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  Make up your collective f'n minds. You can't change the vernacular to better suit your argument. ...of which you have none. Hell, I believe in climate change. EVERYONE believes in climate change. It's the reason there are ancient seabeds in the Sahara

I'd be very interested in having you explain how that's related to climate change. It's something akin to claiming that the Tsunami in December 2004 was related to global warming/climate change (or worse, god's punishment for wearing bikinis).

You don't believe pole shifts can be caused by climatic change?

Nope - are you suggesting they are? Nor do I believe that plate tectonics are caused by climate change.

(04-08-2009 05:45 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 12:55 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 09:09 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 07:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  Make up your collective f'n minds. You can't change the vernacular to better suit your argument. ...of which you have none. Hell, I believe in climate change. EVERYONE believes in climate change. It's the reason there are ancient seabeds in the Sahara

I'd be very interested in having you explain how that's related to climate change. It's something akin to claiming that the Tsunami in December 2004 was related to global warming/climate change (or worse, god's punishment for wearing bikinis).

You don't believe pole shifts can be caused by climatic change?

Nope - are you suggesting they are? Nor do I believe that plate tectonics are caused by climate change.

Do you believe in pole shifts?

Also, no, I don't believe climate change causes plates to move, "subduct", or expand.

However, there are ancient seabeds in the Sahara. What is your explanation?

(04-08-2009 07:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Do you believe in pole shifts?

Also, no, I don't believe climate change causes plates to move, "subduct", or expand.

I'm confusing magnetic reversal with pole shifts, of which I was generally ignorant. I don't know much about this nor the credibility of theories that ice accumulation could cause the shift.

(04-08-2009 07:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  However, there are ancient seabeds in the Sahara. What is your explanation?

It occurs to me that maybe we're arguing different phenomena. There are also artifacts of sea life in Colorado. The only possible explanation for that is tectonic shift over a very long period of time. I'm not as familiar with the Sahara, but my assumption is that it would also take tectonic shifts to accomplish that. If you're talking about areas that are below sea level, then clearly there could have been a sea there at one time if not for climate change. A few minutes with google, and it looks like I'm way off base.

Please accept my apologies for this diversion.

There's also an ancient riverbed going from east to west in the United States that, IIRC, was about the size of the Amazon. Also, the Gobi desert used to be plush marshes and fertile land.

My point was that the Earth changes. It's always happened. Climate changes. Poles shift. Reversals of the poles have probably occurred. Hell, the Earth is over 4 billion years old. I think it's pretty arrogant to think that, as George Carlin stated, some aluminum cans and plastic bags is going to destroy this planet.

(04-08-2009 07:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 04:06 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-07-2009 10:12 AM)Rebel Wrote:  http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/lat...0946.shtml

Do these idiots even read the weather channel? I was cold as hell here this morning and it's supposed to drop to 31 tonight.

Yesterday I saw a funny headline, "Chicago blanketed by 4 inches of global warming". (Snow)

Do idiots like you even know the difference between weather and climate. Oh wait. You just proved you don't know the difference so it is obvious idiots like you don't know the difference.

Oh hell no. Don't give me that "climate" change ****. You guys said "global warming".

Make up your collective f'n minds. You can't change the vernacular to better suit your argument. ...of which you have none. Hell, I believe in climate change. EVERYONE believes in climate change. It's the reason there are ancient seabeds in the Sahara and the reason the top half of the US was covered in ice at one point in time.

Sorry. I believe that global warming will lead to cooling in some places like the midwest(global warming will evaporate more water and cause areas to get more snow thus keeping temperatures cooler for longer periods thus shorter warm seasons and going to cooler temps faster bringing in more snow and repeat year after year) thus the use of climate change vs. straight global warming but I believe global warming is a large part of climate change.

(04-08-2009 07:51 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 04:08 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-07-2009 10:24 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  I’m sure its just a coincidence that this type of garbage comes out just when the US Congress starts considering "Cap and Trade” legislation…


:muttering:

As big of one as when the oil companies shove millions of dollars into the pockets of "scientists" that go on to claim there is no global warming.

Ok, so when did this happen?

You keep making these claims Robert...I want to see some evidence to demonstrate they're facts. That's the part you never really do. That's why your ideas are routinely considered stupid.

Go look it up. Many of the "gw is a hoax" guys are working for(thus being paid by) big oil and the coal industry. I am not making this up.

(04-08-2009 03:35 PM)Tripster Wrote:  

(04-08-2009 02:11 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I know what it is but it appears you had to look it up.

No dear little cahoonie dwarf I did not have to look it up.

And Steve is right on the money - - that link was FOR YOUR GOOFY BENEFIT since I know you are dumb on the differences and needed some schooling.

And it really matters not because it all boils down to the same thing and that is why you and your Ilk, WEAKLY changed your mantra from the Title of "Global Warming" to a more deceptively inclusive name of "Climate Change" ... it is still the Same Steaming Pile of BS, but with a New Al Gorean Twist.

What you don't know could only fit in Volumes on Mars there Robert ....

Oh, by the way, have you ever grown up enough to start shaving yet ????

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Well, you didn't have to do that because I have I know quite a bit thank you very much.

(04-09-2009 01:57 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Sorry. I believe that global warming will lead to cooling in some places like the midwest(global warming will evaporate more water and cause areas to get more snow thus keeping temperatures cooler for longer periods thus shorter warm seasons and going to cooler temps faster bringing in more snow and repeat year after year) thus the use of climate change vs. straight global warming but I believe global warming is a large part of climate change.

(04-09-2009 02:00 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Go look it up. Many of the "gw is a hoax" guys are working for(thus being paid by) big oil and the coal industry. I am not making this up.

Your gullibility is showing.

(04-09-2009 02:07 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Well, you didn't have to do that because I have I know quite a bit thank you very much.

Your first two posts prove otherwise.

Well, there you have it. Global warming causes global cooling. Straight from Robert's keyboard. Wow. Just damn.

(04-09-2009 07:11 AM)Rebel Wrote:  Well, there you have it. Global warming causes global cooling. Straight from Robert's keyboard. Wow. Just damn.

So we don't need to do anything to reverse warming. Seems Robert agrees, the earth takes care of itself.