Quote:Well, there was that 20-point comeback in the 4th quarter at BG...

Yeah, and there was that egg they laid at Kent State, and blowing a 21 point lead to WMU in the final 3 minutes, AT HOME. Yeah, great MAC Champ

Just saying, this game was more important to the MAC than to Ball State or Buffalo. It was the MAC's biggest chance since the Marshall days to get out from under the mantra of midmajor. It just adds fuel to the Walmart BCS followers argument that "Ya see, they really couldn't hang with us."

That's why it was extra important that the dumbchit officials get it right for once. And frankly, if your replay officials can't get it right (guys who can see a play over and over in super slow motion) then is it any wonder the clowns on the field miss calls left and right.

I won't say that Buffalo is a bad team but let's think about this for a second. You can say they'd be 10-3 if not for KSU/CMU. But you can also say they would have been (6-6) and wouldn't have even won the East without a miracle hail mary to beat Temple. Also they needed a miracle to even have a chance to beat CMU and they got it, but couldn't make the kick. The fact of the matter is, that the only reason Buffalo won the MAC is because of the uneven strength of the divisions. Look at the standings, Buffalo would be a fourth place team in the MAC West. That being said however, even though they had to sneak into the MACC, once they were there they took care of business and beat an undefeated BSU. For that, a congrats is in order.

Let's not get carried away and vindicate the entire MAC East as even with this loss the MAC West was by far the superior division.

Chipdip1 Wrote:

Quote:Well, there was that 20-point comeback in the 4th quarter at BG...

Yeah, and there was that egg they laid at Kent State, and blowing a 21 point lead to WMU in the final 3 minutes, AT HOME. Yeah, great MAC Champ

Just saying, this game was more important to the MAC than to Ball State or Buffalo. It was the MAC's biggest chance since the Marshall days to get out from under the mantra of midmajor. It just adds fuel to the Walmart BCS followers argument that "Ya see, they really couldn't hang with us."

That's why it was extra important that the dumbchit officials get it right for once. And frankly, if your replay officials can't get it right (guys who can see a play over and over in super slow motion) then is it any wonder the clowns on the field miss calls left and right.

I don't understand how it really helps the MAC even if Ball State goes 14-0. So they beat Buffalo and then beat a mediocre North Carolina State in the Motor City Bowl. "Big deal", is all the casual football fan is going to say. If Ball State had the opportunity to play in a BCS game it would have been one thing, but going undefeated wasn't going to change the profile of the MAC anyway.

briandtw Wrote:

Chipdip1 Wrote:

Quote:Well, there was that 20-point comeback in the 4th quarter at BG...

Yeah, and there was that egg they laid at Kent State, and blowing a 21 point lead to WMU in the final 3 minutes, AT HOME. Yeah, great MAC Champ

Just saying, this game was more important to the MAC than to Ball State or Buffalo. It was the MAC's biggest chance since the Marshall days to get out from under the mantra of midmajor. It just adds fuel to the Walmart BCS followers argument that "Ya see, they really couldn't hang with us."

That's why it was extra important that the dumbchit officials get it right for once. And frankly, if your replay officials can't get it right (guys who can see a play over and over in super slow motion) then is it any wonder the clowns on the field miss calls left and right.

I don't understand how it really helps the MAC even if Ball State goes 14-0. So they beat Buffalo and then beat a mediocre North Carolina State in the Motor City Bowl. "Big deal", is all the casual football fan is going to say. If Ball State had the opportunity to play in a BCS game it would have been one thing, but going undefeated wasn't going to change the profile of the MAC anyway.

True, but I think the casual football fan is thinking of one word when it comes to Ball State and the MAC. Overrated. I think BSU going undefeated would have helped the MAC, but BSU losing to a Buffalo team that depended on miracles, luck, and flukes almost as much as it did on skill this season hurts the MAC. Just my opinion.

BSU's loss hurt Ball State but Buffalo's win really helps the International Bowl out for the MAC.

I had a post a month ago saying it might be better for the MAC if Ball State did lose because they had no shot at a non-BCS game.

By itself, an undefeated, top 10-ranked BSU does little for the conference, but if the MAC has teams finishing unbeaten and ranked high during several successive seasons, then it raises the conference's profile. Eventually an undefeated MAC team will make a bcs bowl. Congratulations to UB; I've always supported their inclusion in the MAC. That being said, a BSU victory would have been slightly more beneficial to the MAC as a whole. Again, congratulations Bulls!

RocketJeff Wrote:By itself, an undefeated, top 10-ranked BSU does little for the conference, but if the MAC has teams finishing unbeaten and ranked high during several successive seasons, then it raises the conference's profile. Eventually an undefeated MAC team will make a bcs bowl. Congratulations to UB; I've always supported their inclusion in the MAC. That being said, a BSU victory would have been slightly more beneficial to the MAC as a whole. Again, congratulations Bulls!

This is true...under the current setup, Marshall in 1999 and maybe even Miami in 2003 would have made the BCS I think. It's inevitable it will happen again. I just hope it is a team that doesn't embarrass the conference like Ball State likely would have this year.

I'm at a loss. Minus one hail mary and that would have been US capitalizing on Ball's mistakes. So so so sad :-(

Chipdip1 Wrote:Worst MAC Champ since Akron. Officiating was beyond horrible. Sad sad day for the MAC.

Good Lord! Name one game where MAC officiating ISN'T beyond horrible!

And Kent State is saying they beat you both and due to a muffed punt and replay overturn away from beating Akron and some pathetic kicking against OU and that could've been them. Ifs and buts...

And I say if UT had won all their games and played really, really well last night and outscored Buffalo or Temple or OU or KEnt or BG or Miami, well OK, not Miami , but all the other teams in the east that had , but for a few misfortunes, the best chance to win the MAC, WE would have won the MAC.

Chipdip1 Wrote:Worst MAC Champ since Akron. Officiating was beyond horrible. Sad sad day for the MAC.

Thanks for the reminder.

Buffalo is a decent team, but Ball State gave them the game. Come on...TWO fumbles returned for TDs??? When has that EVER happened? Very few times I am sure. Plus the blown TD call totally changed momentum. Had BSU gone up by 10, it's a different game. First, the Davis fumble does not happen if the TD had counted (as it should have!!) It changed everything. But Buffalo made the plays, and took advantage of a horrible game by BSU. Play that game again 10 times and BSU wins 7-8 easily. Keep in mind the Cards beat CMU at their place and wiped the field with WMU. They just had the perfect storm of bad nights and still were in it until late....

Personally I think conference championship games are a joke anyway. Put Buffalo in the West Div. and see if they make it to the MACC game... Look at Alabama. They lose one game and are out of the national championship now. Florida lost at HOME, but early enough that they bounced back. It's crap and why there needs to be a playoff.

People have to stop raining on my parade. Yes we all know that it was a bad call. You're 12-0, put the ball in the endzone from inside the 1. You had two more tries. Sure, it would have been a different situation if the refs got it right, but are you saying you can score from one yard out? You play the hand you're dealt, and unfortunately the Cards got a 7-2 off-suit, you still do what you need and are expected to do.

And we would have been down 24-14. Great. Everyone assumes it would have been a BSU cakewalk if that happened. I'll tell you what, UB wasn't going to quit. It would have been a different game, but don't assume UB was down and out.

And who told Nate Davis to do his best Safe Rosenfels (sp?) immitation?

Sure your reputation is hurt. Best thing you can do now is go down and beat Tulsa. That's a great win to get to end your season, Tulsa is a fine opponent that will challenge you defensively.

Some good points there, I am still bitter, ok? You did deserve to win the game. But the officiating was crappy, and it should be better. We benefited from some calls against CMU a month ago and their fans were upset. Now I know how they feel. Congrats and good luck v. UCONN