According to Newsweek (I know the liberal-bias media)...

"She is a far-right conservative who supported Pat Buchanan over George W. Bush in 2000. She thinks global warming is a hoax and backs the teaching of creationism in public schools. Women are not likely to be impressed by her opposition to abortion even in the case of rape and incest."

Thrill might be excited to know that she was a sports tv anchorwoman after college for a couple of Alaska stations. Maybe Erin Andrews can run for VP in 2016?

I do think it's exciting to realize that we are assured of history in November. Either we'll have the first African-American in the White House as Prez or VP, or the first woman (unless Barr pulls off the biggest miracle ever).

Fort Bend Owl Wrote:Almost 40 million people saw Obama's speech Thursday night. I'd be surprised if McCain's speech is much more than half that.

I prefer to think of it more in the light that conservatives have better things to do than listen to meaningless speeches.

Regarding your other post, the fact that she "thinks global warming is a hoax" scores huge points with me.

lauramac Wrote:Wanna see what passes for political campaigning around here? Here you go. This little gem was mailed out by Brent Rinehard, incumbent Oklahoma County Commissioner. OJ and I had much mirth when he lost.

http://downloads.newsok.com/documents/ri...artoon.pdf

But did his graphic artist get an "A" in his/her middle school Introductory Art class?

ColOwl Wrote:All of you who support McBush's pick of Gov. Palin, ask yourself this ONE question: If she were a he, a governor of a small state mired in scandal and controversy (Stevens, bridge to nowhere, etc.) who had not even complete one term, with only preceeding experience of being a mayor of a town of 8,000, would you not be objecting, claiming that there were sooooo many other superiorly qualified men out there (Dan Quayle, e.g.)?

Gee, you're right ... she's even less experienced than Bill Miller.

Almadenmike Wrote:

lauramac Wrote:Wanna see what passes for political campaigning around here? Here you go. This little gem was mailed out by Brent Rinehard, incumbent Oklahoma County Commissioner. OJ and I had much mirth when he lost.

http://downloads.newsok.com/documents/ri...artoon.pdf

But did his graphic artist get an "A" in his/her middle school Introductory Art class?

I think he took it P/F. Not sure what the outcome was.

lauramac Wrote:

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:I attended last night's game with some friends, one of whom is a gay female. She made an interesting comment. "A lot of Hillary's supporters are lesbians, and abortion is not a huge issue with us. We care more about gay rights and seeing a woman in office. As long as she's reasonable dealing with gay issues, a lot of us will probably support her."

Hmm... that hits me kind of strangely. I guess by that logic, as a straight female (who neither has nor wants children), I might be more concerned with reproductive rights than gay rights, but I'm really not.

Of course, being here where I am, it kinda all wraps up in a big enchilada of me, OJ, and a few other people who accept evolution vs everyone else. Wanna see what passes for political campaigning around here? Here you go. This little gem was mailed out by Brent Rinehard, incumbent Oklahoma County Commissioner. OJ and I had much mirth when he lost.

http://downloads.newsok.com/documents/ri...artoon.pdf

THAT IS AWESOME,,, that one pro gay good ol boy has a REALLY big thumb,, I bet hes the most popular with the gays.

what percentage of vote did this yahoo get?

Fort Bend Owl Wrote:Almost 40 million people saw Obama's speech Thursday night. I'd be surprised if McCain's speech is much more than half that. People can talk all they want about polls and this and that but the bottom line to me thus far is the Democrats had well more than twice as many voters in most of the primaries and they'll probably trounce the Republicans in ratings for the two primaries.

That's a big indication to me the Democrats are ahead in November.

scheduling his speech the same night as opening night of the NFL doesn't help

lauramac Wrote:This little gem was mailed out by Brent Rinehard, incumbent Oklahoma County Commissioner.

http://downloads.newsok.com/documents/ri...artoon.pdf

Wow! I didn't realize Oklahoma is being overrun by Liberal good ol' boys. I'm glad we have people like Brent Rinehard to combat those darn Oklahoma values that are making it a San Fransisco on the plains.

ColOwl Wrote:And for those who believe that a large number of disaffected female Hillary supporters are going to vote for McBush-Palin, there are a lot of women (and probably some men, though their motives may not be as "pure") who will be turned off by a career-woman who's abandoning her Downs syndrome child to full time care by a nanny. I'm not saying I agree with that point, just that many many women who've been dealt a similar hand will question Palin for that life choice.

I do think that Palin has made a bad choice as a parent, but for that matter I think Obama has, too. Being president is so all-consuming (much more so than senator or governor, IMO) that it's pretty much impossible to carve out the time necessary to be a good parent to a young child. Not sure how old McCain's youngest is, but if she's under 16, then add him to the list, too.

It takes a special kind of egomania to think that you're so damn good a politician that the country needs you and you alone more than your children do. (I am, in case it matters, married but childless and hope to remain that way for the foreseeable future.) I'm not entirely convinced that it's possible to be even a good spouse while president (I couldn't even be a good partner and a good Thresher editor, which needless to say does not compare), but at least in that case the other party is adult and presumably complicit in your decision to run.

However, I will say that I don't vote based on which candidate is a better parent, or even based on who is the better person.

It amuses me that so many people that I've watched on TV have taken such a staunch stance on a woman that they hardly know. Let's hear what she has to say. From her conservative record, I think she energizes the part of the Republican party that McCain never could have got to. If she draws some women voters, that would be great. IMO, those disenchanted Clinton supporters more than likely won't vote on the 4th if they aren't going to vote for Obama. I have no idea what type of pull Palin will have on women voters. The only way I'll ever know is if we let her speak before the whole country makes their opinion known on her. I think the more important effect of this choice is that the conservative base of the Republican party is energized with this Pro-Life, pro-guns choice.

As a supporter of McCain, I like this pick. I think she is going to surprise some people when she goes up against Biden. Those Alaskans are one tough bunch.

Almadenmike Wrote:

lauramac Wrote:Wanna see what passes for political campaigning around here? Here you go. This little gem was mailed out by Brent Rinehard, incumbent Oklahoma County Commissioner. OJ and I had much mirth when he lost.

http://downloads.newsok.com/documents/ri...artoon.pdf

But did his graphic artist get an "A" in his/her middle school Introductory Art class?

I'm sure you won't be surprised to learn that the illustrator was a friend of Rinehart's whose artistic skills were admired by Rinehart. That Brent has quite the eye for talent.

I think we all need to take a step back, learn a little bit more about her, listen to her speak, and THEN make a judgment.

In the meantime, let's enjoy watching Joe Biden drunk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRXH7RkCZQ

d1owls4life Wrote:It amuses me that so many people that I've watched on TV have taken such a staunch stance on a woman that they hardly know. Let's hear what she has to say. From her conservative record, I think she energizes the part of the Republican party that McCain never could have got to. If she draws some women voters, that would be great. IMO, those disenchanted Clinton supporters more than likely won't vote on the 4th if they aren't going to vote for Obama. I have no idea what type of pull Palin will have on women voters. The only way I'll ever know is if we let her speak before the whole country makes their opinion known on her. I think the more important effect of this choice is that the conservative base of the Republican party is energized with this Pro-Life, pro-guns choice.

As a supporter of McCain, I like this pick. I think she is going to surprise some people when she goes up against Biden. Those Alaskans are one tough bunch.

You do realize there is but one hugely inconsequential VP debate, and that debate has never, ever been a factor in any election-- even when Benson thoroughly trounced the pupil, Quale. Don't kid yourselves-- Biden was selected to attack and counter McCain on foreign affairs, homeland security and the war on terror...and in that regard, Biden is far more qualified than McCain and a far more articulate and empassioned speaker.

THRILL Wrote:and her inexpirience does NOT bother me,, cause she wont be President .

If he's elected, McBush will be the OLDEST person ever elected to that office. He's got a number of health problems which are treated wtih medications, including high blood pressure and high cholesterol. He's had at least 4 malignant melanoma lesions removed in the past few years. And while his health at this time appears to be "excellent" according to his doctors (other medical experts might have a slightly different opinion), I would not be so sure he's an absolute lock to serve either a full 4 or 8 years as president. And of our 43 presidents, remember that 8 have died while in office and 1 resigned, and the shot that hit Reagan was about 1/4" away from being fatal.

So vote for McBush because you believe he can make a "strategerically" opportune decision to have a political "image" as his VP if you wish (since it's all apparently just political gamesmanship to you anyway) and I'll make my choices in other ways and for other reasons, including the possibility that the elected president will not serve out the term(s) of his office.

I, personally, applaud McBush's choice as well, but for completely different reasons. In my opinion, Palin adds ABSOLUTELY NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE to the ticket and will do absolutely nothing to improve McBush's chances of winning. She doesn't have Romney's $$$$ or Michigan's electoral votes; she doesn't have Guliani's noun, verb and 911; she doesn't have Huckabee's gee-shucks-a-bee; she doesn't have Pawlenty's pa-len-ty of polenta; and she doesn't have Lieberman's uuhhhh....uuhhhh...., well forget that one. But she does have beauty queen looks.

ColOwl Wrote:

THRILL Wrote:and her inexpirience does NOT bother me,, cause she wont be President .

If he's elected, McBush will be the OLDEST person ever elected to that office. He's got a number of health problems which are treated wtih medications, including high blood pressure and high cholesterol. He's had at least 4 malignant melanoma lesions removed in the past few years. And while his health at this time appears to be "excellent" according to his doctors (other medical experts might have a slightly different opinion), I would not be so sure he's an absolute lock to serve either a full 4 or 8 years as president. And of our 43 presidents, remember that 8 have died while in office and 1 resigned, and the shot that hit Reagan was about 1/4" away from being fatal.

So vote for McBush because you believe he can make a "strategerically" opportune decision to have a political "image" as his VP if you wish (since it's all apparently just political gamesmanship to you anyway) and I'll make my choices in other ways and for other reasons, including the possibility that the elected president will not serve out the term(s) of his office.

I, personally, applaud McBush's choice as well, but for completely different reasons. In my opinion, Palin adds ABSOLUTELY NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE to the ticket and will do absolutely nothing to improve McBush's chances of winning. She doesn't have Romney's $$$$ or Michigan's electoral votes; she doesn't have Guliani's noun, verb and 911; she doesn't have Huckabee's gee-shucks-a-bee; she doesn't have Pawlenty's pa-len-ty of polenta; and she doesn't have Lieberman's uuhhhh....uuhhhh...., well forget that one. But she does have beauty queen looks.

I take my vote and my job seriously,, message board banter,,, not so much

You think there is any chance Biden says to Miss Palin in the debate,

"I know Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine, and governor, you’re no Hillary Clinton."

waltgreenberg Wrote:

d1owls4life Wrote:It amuses me that so many people that I've watched on TV have taken such a staunch stance on a woman that they hardly know. Let's hear what she has to say. From her conservative record, I think she energizes the part of the Republican party that McCain never could have got to. If she draws some women voters, that would be great. IMO, those disenchanted Clinton supporters more than likely won't vote on the 4th if they aren't going to vote for Obama. I have no idea what type of pull Palin will have on women voters. The only way I'll ever know is if we let her speak before the whole country makes their opinion known on her. I think the more important effect of this choice is that the conservative base of the Republican party is energized with this Pro-Life, pro-guns choice.

As a supporter of McCain, I like this pick. I think she is going to surprise some people when she goes up against Biden. Those Alaskans are one tough bunch.

You do realize there is but one hugely inconsequential VP debate, and that debate has never, ever been a factor in any election-- even when Benson thoroughly trounced the pupil, Quale. Don't kid yourselves-- Biden was selected to attack and counter McCain on foreign affairs, homeland security and the war on terror...and in that regard, Biden is far more qualified than McCain and a far more articulate and empassioned speaker.

My brother just sent me this. On the internet, any wild theory can quickly grow roots. According to this detailed link, a blogger is claiming that Palin's 5th child (the one with Down's Syndrome) isn't hers but her 16 year old daughter's baby.

Look, it doesn't affect my thinking. I'm voting for Obama. And I like McCain's choice of Palin, probably even more so than Obama's choice of Biden. Ultrasounds these days can tell you with some clarity if you are carrying a child with Down's (plus there are blood tests you can take to find this out as well as most parents probably are aware). I know a Rice grad who has twins - one with Down's and one without and she was aware of the Down's baby well before she gave birth. If Palin knew she was pregnant with a child who had Down's, some of the alleged facts in this blog seem very odd.

http://openthread.dailykos.com/storyonly...486/580223

Mark, it's the Daily Kos. Come on. That ranks right up there with the "Obama is a Muslim" and "Obama isn't a citizen" stuff.

Seriously, the fake child conspiracy theory is right up there with the Obama/Larry Sinclair back-of-the-limo crack snorting and homostyling.

Typical viral smearing effort...

I am still undecided, but I like our choices. The situation is very complicated - x-dimensional - where x > 3. Domestic, Economic, Diplomatic, Infrastructure, Military, Social, etc. all figure into the problem set. No one person can answer the problem. It will take a leader who can pull this all together... I am waiting.