Gentlemen, anger management. Anger management!

Arro, you are hopeless, look at your reputation -8, no one else has anything at all. Why in the world do you think that is? I am not angry at all just sick of the same old lame song and dance, if I want to read your bs, I can troll CI and M-live. The CI board is basically dead thanks to you, only 6 folks entering the pick the game thing, last season it lasted all year with a huge group. You and BW have ruined that board and for what? BJ, he is big boy, being very nicely compensated for his efforts.

I can see thi ngs on both sides on this one. Arro is right our offense has the ability to be more potent and high explosive than last year but the thing about that is that they are so darn inconsistant.

Our defense took a step back this year but is getting better. How much better they are by the the time WMU and EMU come around will determine how our season ends.

My opinion is that we do pretty well down the stretch but with that being said we have showed that we could easily lose the next few as well. I am taking things one game at a time and hoping for the best.

michmaster Wrote:Arro is right our offense has the ability to be more potent and high explosive than last year but the thing about that is that they are so darn inconsistant.

I dont get how you can say that... The season isnt even 1/2 way through and this team was basicly shut out against kansas and barely got points against NDSU, and spanked in the first half of the purdue game.

Way to early to say this years team could be more potent imo.

As far as I know we never put up more than 50 points against any team during regulation while Kelly was a coach let alone 2 games in one season. That is my reasoning behind saying we have the Potential or ability to be more high powered than last year. As you pointed out Kansas and NDSU have showed us that we can be inconsistant and that is why I mentioned that as well.

Gotcha, i guess i see what your saying. I think CMU was #1 in time to score last season. I wonder what this team will finish @ this season.

chpfn Wrote:Arro, being a total brown nose suck-up is just as bad as being a narc or snitch. You are the quintessentail brown nose, it is seems as if BJ himself is feeding you info to spin. You really are not doing him any favors, with your constant one-sided approach. You, BW, and company have basically ruined the CI board, damaged the m-live board by assaulting or having folks censored that disagree with you on the precept that Butch Jones is the GREATEST football since Urban Meyer or maybe even Knute Rockne. He made a turn around, and I think, C-4 Life had a post that is probably pretty accurate. BJ realized maybe because of these boards that he seems to monitor the heck out of or Heeke told him to wise up, and he had a very good meeting with the team, where souls were bared and opinions exchanged and so far it has worked. I applaud him for that , that is called learning. It was not as easy as should have been, but became necessary since the effort to cover, deny and white wash the whole ugly mess that was happening did not work.
Now I am sure you, TM and others know the truth and I know that you will put out a different spin or call me a liar or a negative fan, whatever. Now if you want to post here, try to be a bit more open to others opinions and a little less fanatical in your spin. Thanks for reading, please fully engage your brain before responding.

Excellent, excellent post!!! It's not what you (and me) stand for, it's what you (and me) fall for!!! And we ain't fallin' for any CI/Mlive horseshit!!!

Spear4life03 Wrote:I dont get this "Were Young" bull****. Jones is chosing to start Bradly. He did not HAVE to start him. Poblah, Brooks, tons of other players could be taking his spot. He could of allowed Sam Williams to stay at TE and rotate watts in. He is choosing to start Freshman, every year were starting freshman, it isnt a reason to get blown out by teams.

The bottom line is that jones and banks and the others were trying to make these players fit their system, it didnt work, they need to build their system to the personal they have. Hopefully from this point forward they will. I'm not going to constantly rag this staff for the way they started. Realisticly we should have expected some growing pains, but i think this staff increased them by trying to change something that did not need to be changed, and ragging on the players for not performing, and them telling them he wishes he was back at WVU competing for a title. He made a mistake, and if he and this staff is learning from it... Great...

Everyone is now better off for the rest of the season, and seasons to come. But i did not then, or now, by the bull**** that it was our players that were / are the problem.

Not to mention, look at ANY GREAT COACH, they always take the blame, Jones just shifted the **** onto the team early on. The jury is still out on him, we'll see where we stand at the end of the next two - three seasons.

Another EXCELLENT post!

CE-SELLS-GOATS Wrote:

Spear4life03 Wrote:I dont get this "Were Young" bull****. Jones is chosing to start Bradly. He did not HAVE to start him. Poblah, Brooks, tons of other players could be taking his spot. He could of allowed Sam Williams to stay at TE and rotate watts in. He is choosing to start Freshman, every year were starting freshman, it isnt a reason to get blown out by teams.

The bottom line is that jones and banks and the others were trying to make these players fit their system, it didnt work, they need to build their system to the personal they have. Hopefully from this point forward they will. I'm not going to constantly rag this staff for the way they started. Realisticly we should have expected some growing pains, but i think this staff increased them by trying to change something that did not need to be changed, and ragging on the players for not performing, and them telling them he wishes he was back at WVU competing for a title. He made a mistake, and if he and this staff is learning from it... Great...

Everyone is now better off for the rest of the season, and seasons to come. But i did not then, or now, by the bull**** that it was our players that were / are the problem.

Not to mention, look at ANY GREAT COACH, they always take the blame, Jones just shifted the **** onto the team early on. The jury is still out on him, we'll see where we stand at the end of the next two - three seasons.

Another EXCELLENT post!

The truth of the matter is that your voices don't really matter. Your complaints are trivial and over the top. Most importantly, you don't contribute $$$ to the program. Pony up and then your voices will be heard. We need supporters and $$$ not complainers, they are a dime a dozen. You guys have backed yourselves into a corner on Jones before he was given a chance. Now you don't want him to succeed because it will make you look like the small minded kids that you are. Time to grow up!

arro,

I agree with your opinion that things were taken too far after 3, 4 games under BJ when it came to peoples reaction. But who the hell do you think you are with your 'voices don't matter' crap? Do you think your voice matters? Do you buy your way through life so you get your way...does that make it right? You want everyone to stop fighting and then you come on here and talk crap. I am so sick of you being a hypocrite. And your not the only one...a lot of your cronies who most have the "big money" to influence the athletic department are too. I wish we could all be on one board. Now i am on two because you little immature bastards can't get along...you know what is sad about that? Your prob an older alum. Some example. As a current student, and soon to be alum, I hope i do not follow your path.

This is supposed to be for the love of CMU athletics, and people like you, and others who continue to fight, instead of voice opinion and just fricken RESPECT one another...RUIN IT ALL.

Get over your ego. I don't care about you insiders who think you are the ****. Your not.

And i hate to break it to you. People outcry enough, their voices will be heard, and you can't cover it up...no matter what connection or amount of money you dish out.

Someday I will be a Chip Club member, and donate money to the department. Hope I don't become like you though. I know you support CMU as much as anyone. But get over yourself. PLEASE. OPEN YOUR MIND. You don't have to agree with everyone, but you don't have to be an ass either.

Tonezone - How were things taken too far? He told his team it was a mistake coming here and he wished he was in WVU. He could win 100 games in a row, and it doesnt change what he said in the locker room.

And Arrowhead -- Your comical bro. Just because you are under Butch's desk daily doesnt mean you matter a lot more than us. Sorry bro, im currently paying for school, i work full-time and am taking 18 credits.

My family has donated tons of money to not only the football program, but also the wrestling program.

Lets elect a mod so we can ban this idiot.

tonezone Wrote:arro,

I agree with your opinion that things were taken too far after 3, 4 games under BJ when it came to peoples reaction. But who the hell do you think you are with your 'voices don't matter' crap? Do you think your voice matters? Do you buy your way through life so you get your way...does that make it right? You want everyone to stop fighting and then you come on here and talk crap. I am so sick of you being a hypocrite. And your not the only one...a lot of your cronies who most have the "big money" to influence the athletic department are too. I wish we could all be on one board. Now i am on two because you little immature bastards can't get along...you know what is sad about that? Your prob an older alum. Some example. As a current student, and soon to be alum, I hope i do not follow your path.

This is supposed to be for the love of CMU athletics, and people like you, and others who continue to fight, instead of voice opinion and just fricken RESPECT one another...RUIN IT ALL.

Get over your ego. I don't care about you insiders who think you are the ****. Your not.

And i hate to break it to you. People outcry enough, their voices will be heard, and you can't cover it up...no matter what connection or amount of money you dish out.

Someday I will be a Chip Club member, and donate money to the department. Hope I don't become like you though. I know you support CMU as much as anyone. But get over yourself. PLEASE. OPEN YOUR MIND. You don't have to agree with everyone, but you don't have to be an ass either.

This is not about me either as I have never claimed to be a big donor. I am just giving you the facts of life. Hiring a HC at a div 1A university involves a lot of $$$. Immature foul mouthed kids that start calling for the head of a new coach after a few games and demanding immediate results will not be taken seriously by the AD. There is at lease one poster on this board that has some prior personal issue with Jones because he was not good enough to play for him and this poster won't admit that is what is behind his hatred. Many here are having tantrums because some posts were deleted on Scout saying their rights were violated and they were being censored. Another fact of life is that you don't have a right to post on Scout as it is a franchised board devoted to CMU athletics. The moderator has the right at his discretion to delete posts that he feels are out of line with the mission of the board. Those that don't like it can go elsewhere. No big deal. There is no person that wants this program to be successful more than I do and I am critical of things that I do not agree with and will discuss them in person with the AD and coach at the appropriate time if I feel it is important to be heard. I never expect changes to be made based on my suggestions or criticisms but I always feel as my points are listened to and considered because they know I care about the team and the University. Making personal attacks on a message board is trivial, immature, and chickenchit. This is a tough game to win at and be successful. Those that thought a new coach could come in a win another MAC championship with ease don't understand this game. How many repeat winners of the MAC have there been? Some of the same people that gave Kelly all the grief after the BC game last year are now giving Jones the same treatment. If you think that didn't stick in Kelly's mind you are nuts. Jones is an up and comer and that is not suck up, it is based on knowledge of many years of experience around this game. Unfortunately, I'm afraid you and your kind won't realized what we have until he has moved to take over a BCS program. Then you will start complaining about the next coach we hire.

You can call me immature foul mouth kid all you want. You do not know me, you do not know what or who i know. You do not anything about any of us.

If Jones did not care about "An internet message board" why were he and plas on the loose all around the community, student help, players, close program donors accusing them of leaking information?

Why has he constantly commented on internet message boards in CM-Life?

Arrowhead. How does Jones swivel his monitor so you can see under there? Keyboard must be wireless too.

Spear4life03 Wrote:Arrowhead. How does Jones swivel his monitor so you can see under there? Keyboard must be wireless too.

You make my point so clear that you are both immature and vulgar. Your parents must be very proud of you or maybe they sent you to college hoping you would grow up?

Yup. I crack myself up. :pwnt:

I'm sorry arrohead, your way above all this. You are... you know... part of the 1100 club.

:kneelsucka:


EDIT: If your going to bring smack, bring it strong. Going to have to do better than swinging thee' ole' $$$$$ stick around.

Spear4life03 Wrote:Yup. I crack myself up. :pwnt:

I'm sorry arrohead, your way above all this. You are... you know... part of the 1100 club.

:kneelsucka:

You should check out the WMU board. Those poor guys have never won anything. You have their same mentality and I'm sure they'd welcome you with open arms. They love "we suck" kind of guys as misery really does love company.

Anytime you want to talk about it in person, feel free to inbox me.

Us and our kind? Seriously man, what is wrong with you? Just because someone is critical of a coach and gets upset over a game, or stuff we heard, cmon. Do you know what its like to be a passionate fan? Have you ever listened to sports talk radio? It doesn't mean we hate the coach (all of us) or the program. It is being a FAN. Game by game we will all have opinions. If you would start respecting that instead of your comments, and acting like no one else's options matter things would be a lot better. And guess what, you may love Butch, and think he is the next BK...but that is opinion and not fact. I don't hate Butch. I don't think he is a bad coach. But I don't know how good he is or how bad he is. That's why we watch the games and judge game by game. I don't know what else you expect.

So when you are done judging others arro, I hope you take a step back and look at yourself.

Arro, why is it that you try so hard to dominate ever board with your drival. If it as you say it is not important at least leave this board alone. Or are you one of those truly negative folks that really do have to ruin everything that some other people might be enjoying. You are not a CMU fan, you are a fan of BJ.

Spear4life03 Wrote:Lets elect a mod so we can ban this idiot.

Under User CP there is an ignore feature.