sdbronco Wrote:Currently ECU plays in a conference that currently is no better than the WAC.

Really.... I have a bone to pick on this one as well. Is that why you had 4 teams bolt for our conference???

Or is that why you only have what 2 or 3 bowls and we have 5???

My name isn't Jack, Dick.

The football team has a much higher graduation rate than that. Look it up before you throw it around as truth.

I know a program is more than 5 years. BSU has the 10-11th all time highest winning percentage in college football. It has a great tradition.

Yes, I am the one that asked what school you are a fan of cuz usually if someone doesn't have it in their moniker it's for a good reason.

A Pirate shouldn't get himself into a pecker contest with a Bronco (unless he enjoys feeling fully inadequate). literaly and figuratively.



BTW: CUSAWest is like the worst of the WAC teams for the last few years without any of the good ones, ie BSU, FSU, Hawaii, and sometimes La Tech.

So yes I think UTEP will dominate CUSAW

All current D1 teams since 1950

REGULAR-SEASON POST-SEASON OVER-ALL
UNIVERSITY/COLLEGE G W L T AVE. W L T AVE. W L T AVE.
1. Oklahoma Sooners 591 444 136 11 .761 22 14 1 .608 466 150 12 .752
2. Ohio State Buckeyes 568 427 126 15 .765 16 18 0 .471 443 144 15 .748
3. Nebraska Cornhuskers 595 443 143 9 .752 23 21 0 .523 466 164 9 .736
4. Penn State Nittany Lions 584 424 154 6 .731 23 10 1 .691 447 164 7 .729
5. Michigan Wolverines 574 416 145 13 .736 16 18 0 .471 432 163 13 .721
6. Texas Longhorns 585 420 156 9 .726 18 23 1 .440 438 179 10 .707
7. Tennessee Volunteers 592 413 159 20 .715 24 19 0 .558 437 178 20 .704
8. Alabama Crimson Tide 596 417 164 15 .712 24 20 2 .543 441 184 17 .700
9. Southern California Trojans 595 403 172 20 .694 19 13 0 .594 422 185 20 .689
10. Boise State Broncos 411 282 127 2 .689 14 8 0 .636 296 135 2 .686 1968-
11. Notre Dame Fighting Irish 585 400 173 12 .694 12 13 0 .480 412 186 12 .685
12. Florida State Seminoles 589 393 181 15 .680 19 12 2 .606 412 193 17 .676
13. Auburn Tigers 585 387 187 11 .671 17 14 1 .547 404 201 12 .665
14. Miami (FL) Hurricanes 586 388 192 6 .667 16 11 0 .593 404 203 6 .664
15. Arizona State Sun Devils 589 388 193 8 .666 11 7 0 .611 399 200 8 .664
16. Miami (OH) RedHawks 574 370 187 17 .659 6 4 0 .600 376 191 17 .658
17. Florida Gators 586 383 186 17 .668 19 20 0 .487 402 206 17 .657
18. Georgia Bulldogs 589 377 194 18 .655 19 15 2 .556 396 209 20 .650
19. U.C.L.A. Bruins 581 363 200 18 .640 12 11 1 .521 375 211 19 .636
20. Arkansas Razorbacks 588 377 201 10 .650 10 22 1 .318 387 223 11 .632
21. Louisiana State Tigers 591 361 208 22 .629 18 14 0 .562 379 222 22 .626
22. South Florida Bulls 88 55 33 0 .625 55 33 0 .625 1997-
23. Southern Mississippi Golden Eagles 584 361 216 7 .624 6 9 0 .400 367 225 7 .619
24. Washington Huskies 586 355 219 12 .616 14 11 0 .560 369 230 12 .614
25. Mississippi Rebels 583 349 219 15 .611 18 11 0 .621 367 230 15 .612
26. Clemson Tigers 583 352 216 15 .617 12 13 0 .480 364 229 15 .611
27. Fresno State Bulldogs 598 361 230 7 .610 9 7 0 .562 370 237 7 .608
28. Bowling Green State Falcons 567 335 214 18 .607 4 4 0 .500 339 218 18 .605
29. Syracuse Orange 577 342 228 7 .599 12 9 1 .568 354 237 8 .598
30. Central Michigan Chippewas 572 333 225 14 .594 3 2 0 .600 336 227 14 .594
31. Brigham Young Cougars 609 360 240 9 .599 8 16 1 .340 368 256 10 .588
32. Louisiana Tech Bulldogs 571 329 231 11 .586 12 6 1 .658 341 237 12 .588
33. Colorado Buffaloes 588 339 235 14 .588 13 14 0 .481 352 249 14 .584
34. Virginia Tech Hokies 588 341 236 11 .589 6 11 0 .353 347 247 11 .583
35. San Diego State Aztecs 586 333 236 17 .583 4 3 0 .571 337 239 17 .583
36. West Virginia Mountaineers 586 342 233 11 .593 6 15 0 .286 348 248 11 .582
37. Middle Tennessee State Blue Raiders 583 334 238 11 .582 8 9 0 .471 342 247 11 .579
38. Troy Trojans 546 309 227 10 .575 14 9 0 .609 323 236 10 .576
39. Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets 593 331 246 16 .572 17 9 0 .654 348 255 16 .575
40. Texas A&M Aggies 592 333 244 15 .575 11 14 0 .440 344 258 15 .570
41. Michigan State Spartans 573 322 238 13 .573 7 9 0 .437 329 247 13 .570
42. Wyoming Cowboys 596 331 254 11 .565 5 7 0 .417 336 261 11 .562
43. Toledo Rockets 574 313 249 12 .556 9 5 0 .643 322 254 12 .558
44. Boston College Eagles 576 314 254 8 .552 9 4 0 .692 323 258 8 .555
45. Florida Atlantic Owls 44 24 20 0 .545 2 1 0 .667 26 21 0 .553 2001-
46. Air Force Falcons 535 287 236 12 .548 9 8 1 .528 296 244 13 .547 1956-
47. Nevada Wolf Pack 545 295 244 6 .547 10 9 0 .526 305 253 6 .546
48. East Carolina Pirates 578 309 262 7 .541 7 5 0 .583 316 267 7 .542
49. Maryland Terrapins 585 311 266 8 .538 7 10 1 .417 318 276 9 .535
50. Alabama-Birmingham Blazers 153 81 70 2 .536 0 1 0 .000 81 71 2 .532 1991-
51. Arizona Wildcats 590 307 270 13 .531 5 5 1 .500 312 275 14 .531
52. Hawaii Warriors 596 308 275 13 .528 5 3 0 .625 313 278 13 .529
53. Utah Utes 595 309 278 8 .526 6 3 0 .667 315 281 8 .528
54. Texas Tech Red Raiders 592 307 271 14 .530 8 14 1 .370 315 285 15 .524
55. Louisville Cardinals 573 297 269 7 .524 5 6 1 .458 302 275 8 .523
56. North Carolina Tar Heels 587 301 276 10 .521 12 10 0 .545 313 286 10 .522
57. Houston Cougars 583 298 272 13 .522 7 7 1 .500 305 279 14 .522
58. North Carolina State Wolfpack 590 298 277 15 .518 11 9 1 .548 309 286 16 .519
59. Ball State Cardinals 549 279 255 15 .522 0 4 1 .100 279 259 16 .518
60. Purdue Boilermakers 571 285 266 20 .517 7 6 0 .538 292 272 20 .517
61. Akron Zips 559 282 263 14 .517 2 3 0 .400 284 266 14 .516
62. Iowa Hawkeyes 575 285 273 17 .510 11 8 1 .575 296 281 18 .513
63. Pittsburgh Panthers 583 292 275 16 .515 9 11 0 .450 301 286 16 .512
64. Wisconsin Badgers 577 283 274 20 .508 8 8 0 .500 291 282 20 .508
65. Stanford Cardinal 586 288 283 15 .504 6 6 0 .500 294 289 15 .504
66. Central Florida Golden Knights 279 140 138 1 .504 3 3 0 .500 143 141 1 .504 1979-
67. Western Michigan Broncos 564 279 273 12 .505 0 4 0 .000 279 277 12 .502
68. Arkansas State Indians 566 277 277 12 .500 9 7 1 .559 286 284 13 .502
69. Memphis Tigers 577 282 283 12 .499 3 1 0 .750 285 284 12 .501
70. Missouri Tigers 588 283 287 18 .497 9 7 0 .562 292 294 18 .498
71. North Texas Eagles 585 286 284 15 .502 1 8 0 .111 287 292 15 .496
72. Marshall Thundering Herd 577 266 299 12 .471 33 9 0 .786 299 308 12 .493
73. Rutgers Scarlet Knights 564 273 284 7 .490 0 1 0 .000 273 285 7 .489
74. South Carolina Gamecocks 586 281 290 15 .492 3 7 0 .300 284 297 15 .489
75. Tulsa Golden Hurricane 591 287 298 6 .491 2 5 0 .286 289 303 6 .488
76. Oregon Ducks 590 282 294 14 .490 6 9 0 .400 288 303 14 .488
77. Utah State Aggies 588 282 298 8 .486 1 3 0 .250 283 301 8 .485
78. Oklahoma State Cowboys 588 273 300 15 .477 8 5 0 .615 281 305 15 .480
79. Connecticut Huskies 555 260 284 11 .478 2 1 0 .667 262 285 11 .479
80. Cincinnati Bearcats 587 273 301 13 .476 2 4 0 .333 275 305 13 .475
81. Army Cadets 575 264 296 15 .472 2 2 0 .500 266 298 15 .472
82. Idaho Vandals 574 267 300 7 .471 7 11 0 .389 274 311 7 .469
83. Baylor Bears 586 268 307 11 .467 7 8 0 .467 275 315 11 .467
84. Virginia Cavaliers 588 272 310 6 .468 6 9 0 .400 278 319 6 .466
85. Northern Illinois Huskies 569 261 302 6 .464 3 2 0 .600 264 304 6 .465
86. Minnesota Golden Gophers 572 257 300 15 .462 5 5 0 .500 262 305 15 .463
87. Colorado State Rams 597 272 317 8 .462 5 5 0 .500 277 322 8 .463
88. San Jose State Spartans 588 265 310 13 .462 2 3 0 .400 267 313 13 .461
89. Washington State Cougars 587 261 311 15 .457 5 3 0 .625 266 314 15 .460
90. Illinois Fighting Illini 571 254 300 17 .460 5 8 0 .385 259 308 17 .458
91. Navy Midshipmen 579 255 309 15 .453 5 5 0 .500 260 314 15 .454
92. California Golden Bears 590 260 316 14 .453 4 5 0 .444 264 321 14 .452
93. Nevada-Las Vegas Rebels 407 180 223 4 .447 3 3 0 .500 183 226 4 .448 1968-
94. Louisiana-Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns 578 251 317 10 .443 0 1 0 .000 251 318 10 .442
95. Kentucky Wildcats 590 252 323 15 .440 4 4 0 .500 256 327 15 .441
96. Texas Christian Horned Frogs 586 249 321 16 .439 4 9 1 .321 253 330 17 .436
97. Louisiana-Monroe Indians 562 239 315 8 .432 5 3 0 .625 244 318 8 .435 1951-
98. Duke Blue Devils 587 247 323 17 .435 2 3 0 .400 249 326 17 .435
99. Ohio Bobcats 574 240 320 14 .430 1 2 0 .333 241 322 14 .430
100. New Mexico Lobos 601 256 339 6 .431 1 5 0 .167 257 344 6 .428
101. Kansas Jayhawks 590 245 329 16 .429 3 5 0 .375 248 334 16 .428
102. Southern Methodist Mustangs 566 234 317 15 .427 3 4 0 .429 237 321 15 .427
103. Mississippi State Bulldogs 579 240 326 13 .426 5 6 0 .455 245 332 13 .426
104. Buffalo Bulls 474 196 272 6 .420 196 272 6 .420
105. Eastern Michigan Eagles 551 220 314 17 .415 1 1 0 .500 221 315 17 .415
106. Iowa State Cyclones 582 232 334 16 .412 2 6 0 .250 234 340 16 .410
107. Kansas State Wildcats 588 229 351 8 .396 7 8 0 .467 236 359 8 .398
108. Oregon State Beavers 584 224 351 9 .391 4 4 0 .500 228 355 9 .393
109. Temple Owls 557 207 340 10 .381 1 0 0 1.000 208 340 10 .382
110. Tulane Green Wave 589 217 362 10 .377 3 4 0 .429 220 366 10 .378
111. Rice Owls 586 214 360 12 .375 1 3 0 .250 215 363 12 .375
112. Kent State Golden Flashes 572 211 353 8 .376 0 2 0 .000 211 355 8 .375
113. Indiana Hoosiers 571 206 356 9 .369 3 5 0 .375 209 361 9 .369
114. Wake Forest Demon Deacons 586 204 369 13 .359 3 1 0 .750 207 370 13 .362
115. New Mexico State Aggies 583 205 371 7 .358 2 0 0 1.000 207 371 7 .360
116. Texas-El Paso Miners 595 201 384 10 .346 4 4 0 .500 205 388 10 .348
117. Vanderbilt Commodores 588 187 383 18 .333 1 1 1 .500 188 384 19 .334
118. Northwestern Wildcats 574 188 378 8 .334 0 4 0 .000 188 382 8 .332
119. Florida International Golden Panthers 33 10 23 0 .303 10 23 0 .303 2002-


''*'' indicates that the historical records for that university have not yet been compiled.

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Really.... I have a bone to pick on this one as well. Is that why you had 4 teams bolt for our conference???

Or is that why you only have what 2 or 3 bowls and we have 5???
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It's true, ECU has been D1 for decades longer than Boise and your conference has 5 bowl games. Doesn't address why Boise is the better program now does it? And in case you've been asleep, the bowls for non BCS conferences are based on population and TV sets, not competition.

Bigger is bigger, it's not better. Same with older. You don't think much of Boise' program, that's cool. ESPN and others we've actually played will disagree with you.

sdbronco Wrote:47.  Nevada Wolf Pack    545  295 244 6 .547  10 9 0 .526  305 253 6 .546 
48.  East Carolina Pirates    578  309 262 7 .541  7 5 0 .583  316 267 7 .542

:lolup:

Now THAT'S funny!!

Two comments about bowl games: 1) CUSA bowl tie-ins are a carryover from before Louisville et al bolted; 2) CUSA has 12 teams, the WAC has 9.

sdbronco Wrote:My name isn't Jack, Dick.

The football team has a much higher graduation rate than that. Look it up before you throw it around as truth.

I know a program is more than 5 years. BSU has the 10-11th all time highest winning percentage in college football. It has a great tradition.

Yes, I am the one that asked what school you are a fan of cuz usually if someone doesn't have it in their moniker it's for a good reason.

A Pirate shouldn't get himself into a pecker contest with a Bronco (unless he enjoys feeling fully inadequate). literaly and figuratively.



BTW: CUSAWest is like the worst of the WAC teams for the last few years without any of the good ones, ie BSU, FSU, Hawaii, and sometimes La Tech.

So yes I think UTEP will dominate CUSAW

All current D1 teams since 1950

REGULAR-SEASON POST-SEASON OVER-ALL
UNIVERSITY/COLLEGE G W L T AVE. W L T AVE. W L T AVE.
1. Oklahoma Sooners 591 444 136 11 .761 22 14 1 .608 466 150 12 .752
2. Ohio State Buckeyes 568 427 126 15 .765 16 18 0 .471 443 144 15 .748
3. Nebraska Cornhuskers 595 443 143 9 .752 23 21 0 .523 466 164 9 .736
4. Penn State Nittany Lions 584 424 154 6 .731 23 10 1 .691 447 164 7 .729
5. Michigan Wolverines 574 416 145 13 .736 16 18 0 .471 432 163 13 .721
6. Texas Longhorns 585 420 156 9 .726 18 23 1 .440 438 179 10 .707
7. Tennessee Volunteers 592 413 159 20 .715 24 19 0 .558 437 178 20 .704
8. Alabama Crimson Tide 596 417 164 15 .712 24 20 2 .543 441 184 17 .700
9. Southern California Trojans 595 403 172 20 .694 19 13 0 .594 422 185 20 .689
10. Boise State Broncos 411 282 127 2 .689 14 8 0 .636 296 135 2 .686 1968-
11. Notre Dame Fighting Irish 585 400 173 12 .694 12 13 0 .480 412 186 12 .685
12. Florida State Seminoles 589 393 181 15 .680 19 12 2 .606 412 193 17 .676
13. Auburn Tigers 585 387 187 11 .671 17 14 1 .547 404 201 12 .665
14. Miami (FL) Hurricanes 586 388 192 6 .667 16 11 0 .593 404 203 6 .664
15. Arizona State Sun Devils 589 388 193 8 .666 11 7 0 .611 399 200 8 .664
16. Miami (OH) RedHawks 574 370 187 17 .659 6 4 0 .600 376 191 17 .658
17. Florida Gators 586 383 186 17 .668 19 20 0 .487 402 206 17 .657
18. Georgia Bulldogs 589 377 194 18 .655 19 15 2 .556 396 209 20 .650
19. U.C.L.A. Bruins 581 363 200 18 .640 12 11 1 .521 375 211 19 .636
20. Arkansas Razorbacks 588 377 201 10 .650 10 22 1 .318 387 223 11 .632
21. Louisiana State Tigers 591 361 208 22 .629 18 14 0 .562 379 222 22 .626
22. South Florida Bulls 88 55 33 0 .625 55 33 0 .625 1997-
23. Southern Mississippi Golden Eagles 584 361 216 7 .624 6 9 0 .400 367 225 7 .619
24. Washington Huskies 586 355 219 12 .616 14 11 0 .560 369 230 12 .614
25. Mississippi Rebels 583 349 219 15 .611 18 11 0 .621 367 230 15 .612
26. Clemson Tigers 583 352 216 15 .617 12 13 0 .480 364 229 15 .611
27. Fresno State Bulldogs 598 361 230 7 .610 9 7 0 .562 370 237 7 .608
28. Bowling Green State Falcons 567 335 214 18 .607 4 4 0 .500 339 218 18 .605
29. Syracuse Orange 577 342 228 7 .599 12 9 1 .568 354 237 8 .598
30. Central Michigan Chippewas 572 333 225 14 .594 3 2 0 .600 336 227 14 .594
31. Brigham Young Cougars 609 360 240 9 .599 8 16 1 .340 368 256 10 .588
32. Louisiana Tech Bulldogs 571 329 231 11 .586 12 6 1 .658 341 237 12 .588
33. Colorado Buffaloes 588 339 235 14 .588 13 14 0 .481 352 249 14 .584
34. Virginia Tech Hokies 588 341 236 11 .589 6 11 0 .353 347 247 11 .583
35. San Diego State Aztecs 586 333 236 17 .583 4 3 0 .571 337 239 17 .583
36. West Virginia Mountaineers 586 342 233 11 .593 6 15 0 .286 348 248 11 .582
37. Middle Tennessee State Blue Raiders 583 334 238 11 .582 8 9 0 .471 342 247 11 .579
38. Troy Trojans 546 309 227 10 .575 14 9 0 .609 323 236 10 .576
39. Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets 593 331 246 16 .572 17 9 0 .654 348 255 16 .575
40. Texas A&M Aggies 592 333 244 15 .575 11 14 0 .440 344 258 15 .570
41. Michigan State Spartans 573 322 238 13 .573 7 9 0 .437 329 247 13 .570
42. Wyoming Cowboys 596 331 254 11 .565 5 7 0 .417 336 261 11 .562
43. Toledo Rockets 574 313 249 12 .556 9 5 0 .643 322 254 12 .558
44. Boston College Eagles 576 314 254 8 .552 9 4 0 .692 323 258 8 .555
45. Florida Atlantic Owls 44 24 20 0 .545 2 1 0 .667 26 21 0 .553 2001-
46. Air Force Falcons 535 287 236 12 .548 9 8 1 .528 296 244 13 .547 1956-
47. Nevada Wolf Pack 545 295 244 6 .547 10 9 0 .526 305 253 6 .546
48. East Carolina Pirates 578 309 262 7 .541 7 5 0 .583 316 267 7 .542
49. Maryland Terrapins 585 311 266 8 .538 7 10 1 .417 318 276 9 .535
50. Alabama-Birmingham Blazers 153 81 70 2 .536 0 1 0 .000 81 71 2 .532 1991-
51. Arizona Wildcats 590 307 270 13 .531 5 5 1 .500 312 275 14 .531
52. Hawaii Warriors 596 308 275 13 .528 5 3 0 .625 313 278 13 .529
53. Utah Utes 595 309 278 8 .526 6 3 0 .667 315 281 8 .528
54. Texas Tech Red Raiders 592 307 271 14 .530 8 14 1 .370 315 285 15 .524
55. Louisville Cardinals 573 297 269 7 .524 5 6 1 .458 302 275 8 .523
56. North Carolina Tar Heels 587 301 276 10 .521 12 10 0 .545 313 286 10 .522
57. Houston Cougars 583 298 272 13 .522 7 7 1 .500 305 279 14 .522
58. North Carolina State Wolfpack 590 298 277 15 .518 11 9 1 .548 309 286 16 .519
59. Ball State Cardinals 549 279 255 15 .522 0 4 1 .100 279 259 16 .518
60. Purdue Boilermakers 571 285 266 20 .517 7 6 0 .538 292 272 20 .517
61. Akron Zips 559 282 263 14 .517 2 3 0 .400 284 266 14 .516
62. Iowa Hawkeyes 575 285 273 17 .510 11 8 1 .575 296 281 18 .513
63. Pittsburgh Panthers 583 292 275 16 .515 9 11 0 .450 301 286 16 .512
64. Wisconsin Badgers 577 283 274 20 .508 8 8 0 .500 291 282 20 .508
65. Stanford Cardinal 586 288 283 15 .504 6 6 0 .500 294 289 15 .504
66. Central Florida Golden Knights 279 140 138 1 .504 3 3 0 .500 143 141 1 .504 1979-
67. Western Michigan Broncos 564 279 273 12 .505 0 4 0 .000 279 277 12 .502
68. Arkansas State Indians 566 277 277 12 .500 9 7 1 .559 286 284 13 .502
69. Memphis Tigers 577 282 283 12 .499 3 1 0 .750 285 284 12 .501
70. Missouri Tigers 588 283 287 18 .497 9 7 0 .562 292 294 18 .498
71. North Texas Eagles 585 286 284 15 .502 1 8 0 .111 287 292 15 .496
72. Marshall Thundering Herd 577 266 299 12 .471 33 9 0 .786 299 308 12 .493
73. Rutgers Scarlet Knights 564 273 284 7 .490 0 1 0 .000 273 285 7 .489
74. South Carolina Gamecocks 586 281 290 15 .492 3 7 0 .300 284 297 15 .489
75. Tulsa Golden Hurricane 591 287 298 6 .491 2 5 0 .286 289 303 6 .488
76. Oregon Ducks 590 282 294 14 .490 6 9 0 .400 288 303 14 .488
77. Utah State Aggies 588 282 298 8 .486 1 3 0 .250 283 301 8 .485
78. Oklahoma State Cowboys 588 273 300 15 .477 8 5 0 .615 281 305 15 .480
79. Connecticut Huskies 555 260 284 11 .478 2 1 0 .667 262 285 11 .479
80. Cincinnati Bearcats 587 273 301 13 .476 2 4 0 .333 275 305 13 .475
81. Army Cadets 575 264 296 15 .472 2 2 0 .500 266 298 15 .472
82. Idaho Vandals 574 267 300 7 .471 7 11 0 .389 274 311 7 .469
83. Baylor Bears 586 268 307 11 .467 7 8 0 .467 275 315 11 .467
84. Virginia Cavaliers 588 272 310 6 .468 6 9 0 .400 278 319 6 .466
85. Northern Illinois Huskies 569 261 302 6 .464 3 2 0 .600 264 304 6 .465
86. Minnesota Golden Gophers 572 257 300 15 .462 5 5 0 .500 262 305 15 .463
87. Colorado State Rams 597 272 317 8 .462 5 5 0 .500 277 322 8 .463
88. San Jose State Spartans 588 265 310 13 .462 2 3 0 .400 267 313 13 .461
89. Washington State Cougars 587 261 311 15 .457 5 3 0 .625 266 314 15 .460
90. Illinois Fighting Illini 571 254 300 17 .460 5 8 0 .385 259 308 17 .458
91. Navy Midshipmen 579 255 309 15 .453 5 5 0 .500 260 314 15 .454
92. California Golden Bears 590 260 316 14 .453 4 5 0 .444 264 321 14 .452
93. Nevada-Las Vegas Rebels 407 180 223 4 .447 3 3 0 .500 183 226 4 .448 1968-
94. Louisiana-Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns 578 251 317 10 .443 0 1 0 .000 251 318 10 .442
95. Kentucky Wildcats 590 252 323 15 .440 4 4 0 .500 256 327 15 .441
96. Texas Christian Horned Frogs 586 249 321 16 .439 4 9 1 .321 253 330 17 .436
97. Louisiana-Monroe Indians 562 239 315 8 .432 5 3 0 .625 244 318 8 .435 1951-
98. Duke Blue Devils 587 247 323 17 .435 2 3 0 .400 249 326 17 .435
99. Ohio Bobcats 574 240 320 14 .430 1 2 0 .333 241 322 14 .430
100. New Mexico Lobos 601 256 339 6 .431 1 5 0 .167 257 344 6 .428
101. Kansas Jayhawks 590 245 329 16 .429 3 5 0 .375 248 334 16 .428
102. Southern Methodist Mustangs 566 234 317 15 .427 3 4 0 .429 237 321 15 .427
103. Mississippi State Bulldogs 579 240 326 13 .426 5 6 0 .455 245 332 13 .426
104. Buffalo Bulls 474 196 272 6 .420 196 272 6 .420
105. Eastern Michigan Eagles 551 220 314 17 .415 1 1 0 .500 221 315 17 .415
106. Iowa State Cyclones 582 232 334 16 .412 2 6 0 .250 234 340 16 .410
107. Kansas State Wildcats 588 229 351 8 .396 7 8 0 .467 236 359 8 .398
108. Oregon State Beavers 584 224 351 9 .391 4 4 0 .500 228 355 9 .393
109. Temple Owls 557 207 340 10 .381 1 0 0 1.000 208 340 10 .382
110. Tulane Green Wave 589 217 362 10 .377 3 4 0 .429 220 366 10 .378
111. Rice Owls 586 214 360 12 .375 1 3 0 .250 215 363 12 .375
112. Kent State Golden Flashes 572 211 353 8 .376 0 2 0 .000 211 355 8 .375
113. Indiana Hoosiers 571 206 356 9 .369 3 5 0 .375 209 361 9 .369
114. Wake Forest Demon Deacons 586 204 369 13 .359 3 1 0 .750 207 370 13 .362
115. New Mexico State Aggies 583 205 371 7 .358 2 0 0 1.000 207 371 7 .360
116. Texas-El Paso Miners 595 201 384 10 .346 4 4 0 .500 205 388 10 .348
117. Vanderbilt Commodores 588 187 383 18 .333 1 1 1 .500 188 384 19 .334
118. Northwestern Wildcats 574 188 378 8 .334 0 4 0 .000 188 382 8 .332
119. Florida International Golden Panthers 33 10 23 0 .303 10 23 0 .303 2002-


''*'' indicates that the historical records for that university have not yet been compiled.

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I swear I read about Boise State in Sports Illustrated and their piss poor graduation rates.

If you will notice I asked you the question two times and you sure were not quick to answer to it or tell me I was incorrect then. I have a feeling you know more about this than you are letting on :) What was it then?? 30%. I know it was worst in college football according to the article.


If you want to pride yourself on kicking the crap out of D1aa teams out west in the rocky mountains ( real hotbed of talent) and lowly d1a scrubs since you have moved up thats fine, and actually helps me prove the point I was making all along, you guys play no one.. We have always been in D1a since its classification in the late 70's and have always played a tough slate of nationally known teams #48 isn't bad at all IMO thanks for the post :).

Heck you guys were in Division 2 and "small college" classified as late as 1978. Do you really want to start counting your wins for ten years over powerhouses like Linfield and Westminster College LMAO :) We were playing teams like LSU and Penn State about that time :)

As far as my handle that is my handle on everything.

Enough about your graduation-rate argument. It isn't true. Boise's long-term rate is 54%.

<a href='http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2004-10-25-grad-rates_x.htm' target='_blank'>Football graduation rates</a>

clpack Wrote:

sdbronco Wrote:47.  Nevada Wolf Pack    545   295 244 6 .547   10 9 0 .526   305 253 6 .546  
48.  East Carolina Pirates    578   309 262 7 .541   7 5 0 .583   316 267 7 .542

:lolup:

Now THAT'S funny!!

Two comments about bowl games: 1) CUSA bowl tie-ins are a carryover from before Louisville et al bolted; 2) CUSA has 12 teams, the WAC has 9.

Hey Mr Nevada see the above post for the explanation you to were also D2.

As far as the bowl bids when they were signed we had 11 teams and Louisville was down and basically a scrub until about 6 years ago when all these deals were signed. Trust me Louisville didn't help us land all those bowls. Houston Tulane were good at the inception of the conference and S. Miss and ECU really helped position the conference for those bowl bids.

Heck ECU had an individual tie- in with the Liberty Bowl ourselves until 97 when we decided to give up indy status. (Notre Dame with the Gator Bowl was the only other team with a deal like that)

Where is the WAC's Liberty Bowl? That is the best bowl for non - BCSer's we all know this.

You guys had what 10 or 11 teams until last year. Why haven't you got more bowls? Nuff said there is a reason TCU, UTEP, Rice, SMU, and Tulsa jumped and it's not cause CUSA is a worse conference. It doesn't take a genious to see that.

clpack Wrote:Enough about your graduation-rate argument. It isn't true. Boise's long-term rate is 54%.

<a href='http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2004-10-25-grad-rates_x.htm' target='_blank'>Football graduation rates</a>

Ours was over 75% top 25, and no that doesn't settle anything. I know what I read, SI was talking about programs and how crappy there graduation rates were. BSU even had had a picture holding up a bowl trophy. I am telling you it was like 17%.

That link you posted was from:

"*Four-class averages, for scholarship players entering school from 1994-97"


Well hell BSU was D1aa until 1997 why would they need to get the dredges that couldn't go else where at that point. The article I was referring to was released around 2001 or 2002 when they first started getting noticed, SI gave the back ground on how they were successful. I would love to see the numbers since 1998. Marshall and Boise State were some of the worst offenders. Bosie State was THE #1 offender according to SI.

"I swear I read about Boise State in Sports Illustrated and their piss poor graduation rates.

If you will notice I asked you the question two times and you sure were not quick to answer to it or tell me I was incorrect then. I have a feeling you know more about this than you are letting on What was it then?? 30%. I know it was worst in college football according to the article."

Like I said Look it up. You brought it up. I'm not your secretary. I don't know it off the top of my head, so I, unlike you, want to be careful about throwing out stats that I'm not sure of.

"If you want to pride yourself on kicking the crap out of D1aa teams out west in the rocky mountains ( real hotbed of talent) and lowly d1a scrubs since you have moved up thats fine, and actually helps me prove the point I was making all along, you guys play no one.. We have always been in D1a since its classification in the late 70's and have always played a tough slate of nationally known teams #48 isn't bad at all IMO thanks for the post . "

It is BSU's history so "it is what it is" It does have a tradition at winning at all levels it has been in. Those numbers also include the bodybag games as well as the easy wins. It is very relative we competed and recruited against like schools. It is just as hard to win at that level with those resources as it is to be a winner in the SEC (they are like schools with like resources).

If you can understand this: The odds of any given team in D-1aa to win a National Championship or having a winning season is no better in 1aa than it is in D1A.

As far as hotbed of talent it shows how little you know. The majority of recruits that BSU gets are from California. (The same place USC gets theirs). BSU and Fresno compete well for the same recruits that the PAC10 does. BSU/FSU are recruiting talent far above the rest of the current WAC. Most of the Idaho kids on the team are walk ons (and there are few at that).

So you are correct that the mountain west is not a hotbed of football talent, luckily BSU doesn't have to depend on the MW for recruiting.

sdbronco Wrote:If you can understand this:&nbsp; The odds of any given team in D-1aa to win a National Championship or having a winning season is no better in 1aa than it is in D1A.

If you think that competing with Weber State is like competing with Notre Dame, LSU, or Penn State you are smoking. Also if you think that you can say that beating Westminster college and Podunk U is like ECU playing LSU, Penn State, and Miami during those same years you're really are a "Rock Star" a freakin crack rock..... star.

The numbers on your graduation rates are irrelevant sports Illustrated's whole point to the article was to give insight on how you were winning bowl games.... according to them by taking the dredges academically that were passed over by other schools and suiting them up on saturdays. Seeing how your players like to stab other people and get arrested I believe that.

StillJonesing Wrote:Really.... I have a bone to pick on this one as well. Is that why you had 4 teams bolt for our conference???

So? The 4 teams have historically been bottom feeders. It doesn't really hurt a conference if 3 last place teams leave. I would have liked to see UTEP stay but oh well.

aggiefansince83 Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:Really.... I have a bone to pick on this one as well.  Is that why you had 4 teams bolt for our conference???

So? The 4 teams have historically been bottom feeders. It doesn't really hurt a conference if 3 last place teams leave. I would have liked to see UTEP stay but oh well.

How about TCU a couple of years before that?

Look we know the progression it was pretty clear of how the conferences lined up.

ACC raids the Big East
Big East raids CUSA
CUSA raids the MAC and WAC (TCU bails to MWC)
the WAC raids the Sun Belt
The Sun Belt pulls D1aa teams up quickly

If you would like to believe the WAC will be better fine, I don't buy it. There is a reason Idaho, New Mexico State and Utah State were left out of the WAC to begin with.

"If you think that competing with Weber State is like competing with Notre Dame, LSU, or Penn State you are smoking. Also if you think that you can say that beating Westminster college and Podunk U is like ECU playing LSU, Penn State, and Miami during those same years your really are a "Rock Star" a freakin crack rock..... star. "

When you are a 1aa team it is just as hard to compete against other 1aa teams as it is for D1a teams to compete against other D1a teams. What part don't you get. Back when BSU, UNR, UI, UM, were all in the Big Sky conference together it was the 1AA equivalent of the SEC or Big 10. Nothing to be ashamed of.

BSU's history is what it is. (Successful at every level it has played at)

Just drop that one because BSU fans aren't ashamed of it, they are proud of it. So lets just agree to disagree.


"The numbers on your graduation rates are irrelevant sports Illustrated's whole point to the article was to give insight on how you were winning bowl games.... according to them by taking the dredges academically that were passed over by other schools and suiting them up on saturdays. Seeing how your players like to stab other people and get arrested I believe that. "

Before you say that this is how it is and expect me to buy it, give me a link or some proof instead of pulling it out of your arse and saying that it is true.

I did look up some recruiting numbers and stats. (no surprise, BSU is lightyears ahead of not only your Pirates but all other non-bcs teams and many BCS teams)

From Scout.com

school.........avg stars per recruit........rank of avg recruit out of 119

BSU.............2.57........................................42
ECU.............1.83........................................84
FSU..............1.89.......................................80
UTEP.............2.08......................................61
S.Miss..........1.95.......................................76 (higest in conference USA)
Miami (OH)...1.38.......................................98

Just so that you understand where BSU fits into the big pic.

26. Penn State 19 Big Ten ............2.84
27. Alabama 30 SEC 1557............ 2.83
28. South Carolina 28 SEC .......... 2.79
29. Arizona State 22 Pac-10...........2.77
30. Oregon 23 Pac-10.....................2.74
31. Illinois 19 Big Ten......................2.68
32t. Arkansas 24 SEC......................2.67
32t. Colorado 24 Big 12...................2.67
32t. Louisville 27 Conf USA ...............2.67
32t. Maryland 24 ACC........................2.67
32t. Michigan State 24 Big Ten.........2.67
37. Texas Tech 21 Big 12..................2.67
38. Duke 23 ACC 967.................... 2.65
39. Missouri 23 Big 12.....................2.65
40. Washington 13 Pac-10 ............. 2.62
41. Wisconsin 23 Big Ten ................2.61
42. Boise State 14 WAC ..................2.57
43. Georgia Tech 19 ACC ...............2.53
44. Oregon State 19 Pac-10 ............2.53
45. Iowa State 25 Big 12 .................2.52
46. Mississippi 28 SEC.......................2.50
47. North Carolina 24 ACC ...............2.50
48. West Virginia 32 Big East ...........2.50
49. Kansas State 23 Big 12 ............. 2.48
50. Washington State 23 Pac-10 ......2.48

Jonesing, I did your homework for you as well.

Sorry, I didn't see that this had already been posted. BSU has better grad rates now than it did then. You may be thinking of Fresno. I have read some things naming Fresno (in the past) but never Boise. I'm sure I would have heard it before if it had any merit.

Boise State having bad grad rates in the football team is news to me.


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<a href='http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2004/Preview/ProgramRankings_GraduationRates.htm' target='_blank'>football grad rates</a>

Graduation Rates. From the most recent batch of graduation rates available from the NCAA report released in 2003, the rate was divided by ten for a score. For example, Bowling Green's most recently released graduation rate for football players was 42%, so it gets a score of 4.2. When the football class graduation rate isn't available, the four-year rate is used. When that's unavailable, the overall male student-athlete rate is used. One important note, the NCAA looks at whole classes, so a team's graduation rate might not always be indicative of what the current coaching staff is responsible for.
Why this is important: After all, these are supposed to be student-athletes out there playing. This is a good indicator for how much emphasis a program places on academics rather than simply using the football players for their on-the-field talents.


1 Boston College 9.5
2 Notre Dame 9.2
3 Vanderbilt 9.1
4 Navy 8.7
5 Penn State 8.6
5 Wake Forest 8.6
7 Army 8.5
8 Rice 8.3
8 Duke 8.3
10 Stanford 8.2
11 Northwestern 8.1
12 Air Force 7.9
12 Tulane 7.9
14 Clemson 7.8
15 Western Michigan 7.6
16 TCU 7.5
16 Southern Miss 7.5
16 Indiana 7.5
16 Utah State 7.5
16 Baylor 7.5
16 Tulsa 7.5
22 Wisconsin 7.3
23 Ball State 7.2
24 East Carolina 7
25 Florida 6.9
26 Auburn 6.8
26 Kent State 6.8
28 Georgia 6.7
28 Washington 6.7
28 Toledo 6.7
28 Hawaii 6.7
28 Rutgers 6.7
33 Oklahoma 6.5
33 Kansas State 6.5
33 Virginia 6.5
33 Mississippi State 6.5
37 Virginia Tech 6.4
37 Syracuse 6.4
37 San Diego State 6.4
40 Nevada 6.2
40 Louisiana Monroe 6.2
42 UCLA 6.1
42 Connecticut 6.1
42 Central Michigan 6.1
45 Washington St 6
45 Texas Tech 6
45 Louisiana Tech 6
45 SMU 6
49 Florida State 5.9
49 Nebraska 5.9
49 Iowa State 5.9
49 Ohio 5.9
53 Georgia Tech 5.7
53 Purdue 5.7
53 Louisiana Lafayette 5.7
56 Texas A&M 5.6
57 Miami (Fla.) 5.5
[B}57 Boise State 5.5 [/B]
57 Eastern Michigan 5.5
60 Arizona State 5.4
60 Buffalo 5.4
62 Maryland 5.3
62 Colorado 5.3
62 Miami Univ. 5.3
62 Michigan State 5.3
62 Houston 5.3
67 Ohio State 5
67 Michigan 5
67 Oregon 5
67 Alabama 5
67 Marshall 5
67 Oregon State 5
67 New Mexico 5
67 UAB 5
67 New Mexico State 5
67 Troy State 5
77 Tennessee 4.7
78 South Florida 4.6
78 Cincinnati 4.6
78 UTEP 4.6
81 USC 4.5
82 Arkansas 4.4
82 North Carolina St 4.4
82 California 4.4
82 Missouri 4.4
82 Idaho 4.4
87 Akron 4.3
88 Bowling Green 4.2
89 Memphis 4.1
90 Iowa 3.8
90 Kansas 3.8
92 South Carolina 3.7
93 Utah 3.6
94 Louisville 3.5
94 Northern Illinois 3.5
94 Oklahoma St 3.5
94 North Carolina 3.5
94 UNLV 3.5
99 Fresno State 3.3
99 West Virginia 3.3
99 Illinois 3.3
99 Arizona 3.3
103 Arkansas State 3.1
104 Minnesota 3
104 North Texas 3
104 Temple 3
107 LSU 2.9
107 UCF 2.9
109 San Jose State 2.7
109 Wyoming 2.7
111 Colorado State 2.6
112 Kentucky 2.4
113 Mississippi 2.3
114 Texas 1.9
114 MTSU 1.9
116 Pittsburgh 1.6
117 BYU 1.2


















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sdbronco Wrote:When you are a 1aa team it is just as hard to compete against other 1aa teams as it is for D1a teams to compete against other D1a teams.  What part don't you get.  Back when BSU, UNR, UI, UM, were all in the Big Sky conference together it was the 1AA equivalent of the SEC or Big 10.  Nothing to be ashamed of.

What planet are you living on dude. Exactly how many teams in D1aa or D2 for that matter have played on national TV every week since TV was invented??? It is a completely different level competing with schools like Notre Dame, Ohio State, UCLA, USC, and Florida. Bosie State is in a major national city, you should be able to kick the crap out of D2 and D1aa schools, you have plenty of to sale over most of those schools stuck on the side of a mountain in the middle of no where, I would imagine.

Up until the 90's schools like Ohio State and Michigan could give as many scholarship as they wanted!!!! How the heck do you think schools like ECU could compete when they were giving 85 scholarships and money dogs like Michigan and Notre Dame had been filling there 100,000 seat stadiums for years and were handing out 130 scholarships??? Scholarship limits are a recent mandate.

Get real the two are worlds apart it is a lot harder to compete on the big stage. There is far from a level playing feild. Now we have this thing called the BCS where school like us don't even have access, oh wait we never did anyway. In D1aa you have playoffs anyone has a chance. You should know this Boise State. Hell you went undefeated and the best you could do was the Liberty Bowl. Don't feed me that crap that its all relative.



As far as recruiting in Football, it is clearly the least accurate because players only have 12-15 game to be evaluated, unlike Basketball that has 30 high school games plus 30 or more AAU games every years. Football is far from a science and players can be built in the weight room.

I actually think Holtz did very well in the one month he had to recruit with. Watch this season and see what he does when he has a full year to build relationships and to recruit. Last year he had to scramble to get a staff together and contact kids getting the job a month before signing.

Why don't you post the numbers from the year when we had a coach that actually recruited all year not just one month infact How about the year before?? Here you go......

........ECU in 2004 coming off a 1-11 season we had the #81 class, Boise State coming off a 12-1 season and had the #85 class :)


(Rivals is a better server they had you at #64 in 2005 and #85 in 2004 and #101 in 2003, not exactly loading up with top 15 talent)

Lets do scout.com since you like the scout numbers:

again in a year when ECU had a head coach all season in 2004 coming off a 1-11 season our class was ranked by your beloved scout.com #73...... Boise State by contrast coming off a 12-1 season was #72.


Great numbers :)

Once again you prove you are a dumb arse.

Go to scout.com and sort them by AVG.

Since we only recruited 14 the point totals don't mean much against schools that recuited 25 or more.

I wrote average and that's all that really matters. What is the average ranking of each athlete?

I see that you still don't understnd the success thing against "like" competition. We had X number of schollies (less than 1A teams) and D1 (talent level) players went to D1.

On a level playing field with our competiton BSU did fine (just like it is doing now and will continue to do in the future). Comparing a 1AA to 1A teams is like comparing 1A teams to NFL teams. It's like me asking you how ECU would do against the Patriots. It makes no sence. The only way to compare is how they did against like competition. You really don't just want to use are 1A %.

It's stupid for you to try to debate how BSU would have or did do as a 1AA program against 1A programs.

That's fine, we can just drop that.

Look at the grad rate list again. It may be that you were thinking BYU not BSU?

I don't know, just a thought. :)

No I didn't get them confused, I know what I read in Sports Illistrated. Maybe you have improved since then on your grad rates.


Did I mention that off that 1-11 team (only win over winnless army) we had 5 guys make NFL rosters the next season. (How many have you guys had in the last few years) Two were rookie starters two more played some as back ups. We had 5 more all-conference guys that will probably end up with NFL shots on that team as well that were underclassmen then.

We aren't exactly hurting for talent, and aren't nearly as down as the record indicates. We just had a mickey mouse coaching staff that squandered talent. We corrected that problem and signed a proven head coach with a name that will get any kids attention.

If Coach Holtz called you would you answer the phone? I would. UConn was a prenial doormat and had had 3, 8 win season in 100 years of playing football. In 5 years Skip Holtz had them ranked in D1aa with a 7, 8, and 10 win seasons and laid the foundation for their move to D1aa. He can build a program. He left after the 10 win season to join his dad in S. Carolina because his mother had cancer at the time and he wanted his kids to be close to his parents as well as himself. He was the Urban Meyer of 1998. I think we got a steal myself I have never been as excited about Football at ECU.


BTW on your numbers the average star ratings, you were barley ahead of us in 2004 when we had a head coach the whole year. Your beloved scout.com Boise State 1.96 average for 25 recruits. ECU 1.87 for 30 recruits.

What the hell does that say that on a 1-11 season we can recruit almost even if not better than a 12-1 top 15 school??

Honestly, I think that Urban Myer was the Dan Hawkins of 2004.

Did you figure out the Average recruit thing?

Is it possible that you confused BSU with BYU in the grad rate thing.

I really do hope that ECU turns the corner and has a great future. I am all for the little guy.


Don't tell me about UConn's wins in 1AA. Those wins don't mean a thing according to you. :)

just kidding, BTW. BSU was in the 1AA NC not MNC game in 1994 right before it went 1AA and won it in 1980. That championship is more legit than any offered in 1A. You can snicker about it if you want but it actually has a tourny. (think about it) :)

"BTW on your numbers the average star ratings, you were barley ahead of us in 2004 when we had a head coach the whole year. Your beloved scout.com Boise State 1.96 average for 25 recruits. ECU 1.87 for 30 recruits. "

What the hell are you looking at. Look at Scout.com 2005. it is 2.57 we only took 14 this year.

Must I prove this also?

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<a href='http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=336&p=9&c=14&yr=2005' target='_blank'>scout average ranking</a>

think click on Avg. Rat.

It will resort them for you. (it doesn't re-number them so you have to count) it lists 25 per page.

I'll do the same on rivals for you. give me a few minutes.