fsquid Wrote:We just need to realize that not all kids are college material. Some kids need to be pointed towards trade schools in about the 10th grade.

Actually before that. But, you're absolutely right. This is how Europe does it. But, try mentioning it here in the US and you get the educational community in an uproar. "TRACKING?" That word is taboo. Something about how every kid should have the chance to be president. Nothing about how every person would rather have a chance at being content.

Once again, the educational community insulates itself from everyone else, so they don't even realize the assinine assumptions they operate under.

Quote:Actually before that. But, you're absolutely right. This is how Europe does it. But, try mentioning it here in the US and you get the educational community in an uproar. "TRACKING?" That word is taboo. Something about how every kid should have the chance to be president. Nothing about how every person would rather have a chance at being content.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Most teacher's would love to throw out the 5-10% of the kids the f it up for the other 90%. You have your O.D.D's and your A.D.D.'s. You have to fill out Individualized Education Plans for your alphabet kids who really just need a swift kick in the asteroid. Your special education teacher's want to main stream everybody no matter what the effect it has on the classroom and the law backs the parent's up. So if a parent wants his autistic kid in my anatomy class it's a court case if the school doesn't let them in. NCLB only gives the special ed paent more rights. ODD Opressional Deficit Disorder.......... These kids don't handle authority. You can't tell them what to do. Be in your seat when the bell rings or you get a tardy. Not for the ODD's. They'll sit when they want to sit. Now try to enforce rules on the other 25 kids when Johnny doesn't want to follow the rules. My school we send the ODD's and the SBH's to an alternative school, but alot of districts can't afford another program because there knee deep in the unfunded mandates Republican's LOVE to throw at them. You want to know why teacher's and academics are mostly Democrat. Your unfunded mandates are a big reason.

Machiavelli Wrote:

Quote:Actually before that. But, you're absolutely right. This is how Europe does it. But, try mentioning it here in the US and you get the educational community in an uproar. "TRACKING?" That word is taboo. Something about how every kid should have the chance to be president. Nothing about how every person would rather have a chance at being content.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Most teacher's would love to throw out the 5-10% of the kids the f it up for the other 90%. You have your O.D.D's and your A.D.D.'s. You have to fill out Individualized Education Plans for your alphabet kids who really just need a swift kick in the asteroid. Your special education teacher's want to main stream everybody no matter what the effect it has on the classroom and the law backs the parent's up. So if a parent wants his autistic kid in my anatomy class it's a court case if the school doesn't let them in. NCLB only gives the special ed paent more rights. ODD Opressional Deficit Disorder.......... These kids don't handle authority. You can't tell them what to do. Be in your seat when the bell rings or you get a tardy. Not for the ODD's. They'll sit when they want to sit. Now try to enforce rules on the other 25 kids when Johnny doesn't want to follow the rules. My school we send the ODD's and the SBH's to an alternative school, but alot of districts can't afford another program because there knee deep in the unfunded mandates Republican's LOVE to throw at them. You want to know why teacher's and academics are mostly Democrat. Your unfunded mandates are a big reason.

The school problems happened long before NCLB came into effect. First of all, you can't punish kids anymore. I'm not talking about sending them to ISS or home to play X-box. I'm talking about the biggest baddest holes driven through it paddles that kept kids in line. Kids didn't screw up much because they knew that screwing up would result in physical pain.

Add that, to the fact that most parents are scared to discipline their children for this reason or that, and you get a bunch of kids that do not respect authority. It has nothing to do with NCLB, but instead with FAMILY & AUTHORITY.

GrayBeard Wrote:

Machiavelli Wrote:

Quote:Actually before that. But, you're absolutely right. This is how Europe does it. But, try mentioning it here in the US and you get the educational community in an uproar. "TRACKING?" That word is taboo. Something about how every kid should have the chance to be president. Nothing about how every person would rather have a chance at being content.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Most teacher's would love to throw out the 5-10% of the kids the f it up for the other 90%. You have your O.D.D's and your A.D.D.'s. You have to fill out Individualized Education Plans for your alphabet kids who really just need a swift kick in the asteroid. Your special education teacher's want to main stream everybody no matter what the effect it has on the classroom and the law backs the parent's up. So if a parent wants his autistic kid in my anatomy class it's a court case if the school doesn't let them in. NCLB only gives the special ed paent more rights. ODD Opressional Deficit Disorder.......... These kids don't handle authority. You can't tell them what to do. Be in your seat when the bell rings or you get a tardy. Not for the ODD's. They'll sit when they want to sit. Now try to enforce rules on the other 25 kids when Johnny doesn't want to follow the rules. My school we send the ODD's and the SBH's to an alternative school, but alot of districts can't afford another program because there knee deep in the unfunded mandates Republican's LOVE to throw at them. You want to know why teacher's and academics are mostly Democrat. Your unfunded mandates are a big reason.

The school problems happened long before NCLB came into effect. First of all, you can't punish kids anymore. I'm not talking about sending them to ISS or home to play X-box. I'm talking about the biggest baddest holes driven through it paddles that kept kids in line. Kids didn't screw up much because they knew that screwing up would result in physical pain.

Add that, to the fact that most parents are scared to discipline their children for this reason or that, and you get a bunch of kids that do not respect authority. It has nothing to do with NCLB, but instead with FAMILY & AUTHORITY.

Bingo!!!

And the fear of teachers that if they do discipline someone, they and their school district will get sued.

GB and Blah...............


You have it. Kids don't fear authority and what's really unsettling. The kids that could of been kept in line with a little discipline face serious consequences when the really screw up. Kids are striving for discipline. Kids actually want discipline and are actually happier when they are in that setting. My dad always used to say " an idle mind is a devil's playground". I say that to kid's all the time. "Stay busy.... do your work and Have a Nice Day." The system is almost set up to fail kids and all the people like Hannity and others want to scream it's the teacher's union fault. Put discipline back into the classroom and you'll get better schools. Thankfully my school still tries to hammer the malcontent, but it's no where near as strict as compared to my first couple of years.

I think back to my high school. I had a football coach who grabbed a wide reciever by the face mask and dragged him through the correct route. I had a Biology teacher slam a kid's head into a lab table because he stabbed another kid with a scapel. Today both cases would of resulted in that person being canned.

Machiavelli Wrote:

Quote:Actually before that. But, you're absolutely right. This is how Europe does it. But, try mentioning it here in the US and you get the educational community in an uproar. "TRACKING?" That word is taboo. Something about how every kid should have the chance to be president. Nothing about how every person would rather have a chance at being content.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Most teacher's would love to throw out the 5-10% of the kids the f it up for the other 90%. You have your O.D.D's and your A.D.D.'s. You have to fill out Individualized Education Plans for your alphabet kids who really just need a swift kick in the asteroid. Your special education teacher's want to main stream everybody no matter what the effect it has on the classroom and the law backs the parent's up. So if a parent wants his autistic kid in my anatomy class it's a court case if the school doesn't let them in. NCLB only gives the special ed paent more rights. ODD Opressional Deficit Disorder.......... These kids don't handle authority. You can't tell them what to do. Be in your seat when the bell rings or you get a tardy. Not for the ODD's. They'll sit when they want to sit. Now try to enforce rules on the other 25 kids when Johnny doesn't want to follow the rules. My school we send the ODD's and the SBH's to an alternative school,

Don't cry to me. Educators are the ones who fabricate their own policies. Plus, public schools play a big role in shaping the society. Blame your liberal predecessors who taught in the 60s-today.

Quote:but alot of districts can't afford another program because there knee deep in the unfunded mandates Republican's LOVE to throw at them.

Uh, if you'd get your facts straight, maybe you could vote to help yourself out. By and large, the GOP doesn't support unfunded mandates. Those come from the Democratic Party. That's true at any level of government, local through federal.

Quote: You want to know why teacher's and academics are mostly Democrat. Your unfunded mandates are a big reason.

No, I think it's b/c they're f'n stupid, and you're just reinforcing that b/c they evidently can't read a newspaper.

Mac do they have Robinhood in your state? Here in TX the liberals shoved Robinhood down everybodies throat. Rich districts like Southlake Carroll have to send away their property tax dollars to Mexican districts like Brownwood. I think the High Park district in Dallas takes in 100 million in property taxes every year and 78 million of it they have to give away. How's that for liberal theology?

Robinhood is out there but I don't think it will pass. How can you tell someone from Putnam county who pays there teacher's 30,000 a year they have to pool their taxes with Cleveland public who pays a janitor 100,000 a year. School funding ios a problem. I like what Michigan did, they had a sales tax to supplement the poorer districts. Don't rob from the rich, bring the poor up. Michigan also pays their teachers about 10,000 dollars a more on average. ;-)

NCLB gives money based on the percentage of students who graduate. Kicking out any "malcontents" only hurt the schools. They get less money because those kids count against their average.

Blah, you are 100% right about what the schools should teach. They should help you learn logic, how to find answers, how to think for yourself. Compared to even 10 years ago the schools have moved to a "teach to the test" mode.

Torch, if you truly believe that cutting 25% of the material taught in schools is good then you need help. My mom, a psychology teacher (elective), had to cut 25% of her material after NCLB was brought in. This material consisted of personality tests, theories, and other high level psychology subjects. Most of them were interactive sessions that the students loved. Unfortunately with the amount of things they have to make sure the students "memorize" a lot of the "fun" things have had to be cut.

I understand you don't like the public education system, but there is no reason to act like you know something when you have no clue.

As far as the social skills that you claim students get at home, I respectfully disagree. You claim that kids are destroyed by bullies at school. Yes, there are bullies at public schools, but there are also bullies of a different sort at jobs when they become adults. Whether it is a co-worker or a boss, people deal with bullies from time to time at work. Kids need to learn how to deal with these people as a kid or they will never stand up for themselves when they get older.

While in college I met a fair amount of home schooled kids who had some social issues in terms of not knowing how to act at parties and in group work situations. They didn't have the skills to work together with other people when they first came to school and they ended up having a hard time adjusting. They didn't know how to talk to people, especially people of the opposite sex. Yes, maybe you don't worry about an 18 year old kid talking to a person of the opposite sex, but that is something very important to them at that age. Many times these people are naive and have too much trust in people as well. Once they get burned many times they take months or years to get back to the same point.

Lastly, there is a reason why people come from other countries to go to the US higher education schools. US Universities are MUCH better than their counterparts around the world, on average. Our primary and secondary schools are there to prepare these students for entering college, and by and large I think they do that. Yes, some inner city schools may not do as good of a job at this, but I blame that more on the parents than the teachers. Suburban schools do a great job, IMO, of getting kids ready for college.

mlb Wrote:Blah, you are 100% right about what the schools should teach. They should help you learn logic, how to find answers, how to think for yourself. Compared to even 10 years ago the schools have moved to a "teach to the test" mode.

Torch, if you truly believe that cutting 25% of the material taught in schools is good then you need help. My mom, a psychology teacher (elective), had to cut 25% of her material after NCLB was brought in. This material consisted of personality tests, theories, and other high level psychology subjects.

Wow, not only a HS teacher w/ no idea of what her job is, but teaching the most overrated, immature subject that exists. Psychology today is like alchemy in the middle ages.
Maybe if she didn't waste time teaching about Freud, Maslow and Piaget, she could cover some of that "interesting" stuff.

Quote: Most of them were interactive sessions that the students loved. Unfortunately with the amount of things they have to make sure the students "memorize" a lot of the "fun" things have had to be cut.

Awww, so school wasn't fun 'n' games. Big whoop. Do they even cover psychology on SOLs? If so, why? It's an elective, remember?

Quote:I understand you don't like the public education system, but there is no reason to act like you know something when you have no clue.

Maybe that's where your first problem is. You and your mom don't know the first thing about what schools are supposed to be doing. Maybe playing psych games sounds like school to you guys, but I doubt that helps a kid compete w/ some engineer from Singapore.

Quote:As far as the social skills that you claim students get at home, I respectfully disagree. You claim that kids are destroyed by bullies at school. Yes, there are bullies at public schools, but there are also bullies of a different sort at jobs when they become adults. Whether it is a co-worker or a boss, people deal with bullies from time to time at work. Kids need to learn how to deal with these people as a kid or they will never stand up for themselves when they get older.

Like get guns?
That's a profoundly ignorant paragraph that further demonstrates you know NOTHING about childhood development. Children have a keen sense of right and wrong, and they are weaker than adults, emotionally as well as physically. Bullying, injustice, etc, all affect kids much more profoundly than adults.
There is a timing that goes along with what materials are to be taught to kids, and what they should be exposed to. You don't just throw them into situations figuring they'll learn from them.
Respectfully disagree all you want, but if you used any empirical evidence maybe your theories wouldn't be so absurd.

Quote:While in college I met a fair amount of home schooled kids who had some social issues in terms of not knowing how to act at parties

BINGO. The homeschool kids didn't know how to party.

Quote:They didn't have the skills to work together with other people when they first came to school and they ended up having a hard time adjusting. They didn't know how to talk to people, especially people of the opposite sex. Yes, maybe you don't worry about an 18 year old kid talking to a person of the opposite sex, but that is something very important to them at that age.

So you got rejected by homeschool chicks, and now you're bitter. Too bad.

In your landmark casestudy, did you compare that w/ public school kids who don't know how to talk to the opposite sex? Did you investigate to see if any homeschool kids just didn't go to your parties, and did fine in their own peer groups? Did you do any sort of longitudinal study to discover if you were looking at a non-representative set of students who were pulled from public school b/c of emotional/social problems and who now are years beyond where they would have been if they remained in public schools? Did you document any numbers to see if you were biasing your observations on your anecdotal recall?

Quote:Many times these people are naive and have too much trust in people as well. Once they get burned many times they take months or years to get back to the same point.

"Many times" well, you must have reams of data to support this.

Quote:Lastly, there is a reason why people come from other countries to go to the US higher education schools. US Universities are MUCH better than their counterparts around the world, on average. Our primary and secondary schools are there to prepare these students for entering college, and by and large I think they do that.

While the US universities may be better than their counterparts, the international students are better than their US counterparts. Which is exactly the point. Owned.

Quote: Suburban schools do a great job, IMO, of getting kids ready for college.

Yeah, well when you start hiring top scientists, engineers, craftsmen and other employees, maybe your opinion will mean something. In the meanwhile, you are simply using circular reasoning: you're defending the system that produced you, using your training as evidence that the system is good. Ironically, if the system were as good as you say, and if you knew logic like you claim, you wouldn't be making that fallacious argument.

No go see Mommy and see if she can bolster your self-esteem and self-actualization. You are good enough, smart enough, and doggone it, people like you.

Here's a great example of why this board is the same 10 or so people yelling at each other. mlb calls out Torch's mental health and uses the phrase "respectfully disagree" in the same post, then Torch goes nuclear in his response and, amid a torrent of condescension, insults mlb's mother and her profession?! Maybe I just don't get this Interweb thingy and how fun it is to sling mud anonymously, but I do know that being a jerk doesn't win anyone to your side of the argument. If you're going to call out someone's mother or his sanity, be funny. Sheesh.

Brookes Owl Wrote:Here's a great example of why this board is the same 10 or so people yelling at each other. mlb calls out Torch's mental health and uses the phrase "respectfully disagree" in the same post, then Torch goes nuclear in his response and, amid a torrent of condescension, insults mlb's mother and her profession?! Maybe I just don't get this Interweb thingy and how fun it is to sling mud anonymously, but I do know that being a jerk doesn't win anyone to your side of the argument. If you're going to call out someone's mother or his sanity, be funny. Sheesh.

Sorry, but we're supposed to care about kids, remember?

Why should I be happy about some lackwit who doesn't know her job, screwing w/ kids' and the US' futures?

I don't figure many folks will change their mind at this point, but maybe after a lifetime of repeated failures, some of these folks may recognize that they should have looked for a different way to do things.

Or even out of spite, sometimes folks will do some actual research and come to recognize that hot-headed or not, I was right. It actually has happened a couple of times.

BTW, that wasn't even close to nuclear.

*sigh*

Brookes Owl Wrote:Here's a great example of why this board is the same 10 or so people yelling at each other. mlb calls out Torch's mental health and uses the phrase "respectfully disagree" in the same post, then Torch goes nuclear in his response and, amid a torrent of condescension, insults mlb's mother and her profession?! Maybe I just don't get this Interweb thingy and how fun it is to sling mud anonymously, but I do know that being a jerk doesn't win anyone to your side of the argument. If you're going to call out someone's mother or his sanity, be funny. Sheesh.

Wow, I guess I failed at my job...I missed all that.

DrTorch Wrote:Wow, not only a HS teacher w/ no idea of what her job is, but teaching the most overrated, immature subject that exists. Psychology today is like alchemy in the middle ages.
Maybe if she didn't waste time teaching about Freud, Maslow and Piaget, she could cover some of that "interesting" stuff.

Hmmm... so there is no evidence of left brain/right brain, personality traits, no reason to study parts of the brain, etc.? There is some talk of Freud (id/ego/superego), Maslow, Pavlov, etc, as there should be.

Now explain this to me, she teaches what her board of education tells her to teach, who gets their curriculum from the state of Ohio, but she doesn't know what her job is? I'm confused as to how she is not doing her job. She presents kids with material, has them put it to use through exercises, and tests them on it. Unfortunately she has less time to do many of the exercises where they put what they learn to use.

She has been a US History teacher, an Urban Planning/Studies teacher, and a Psychology teacher in her time there. She has won multiple teaching awards where she was nominated by her students and by her peers. But I digress, she works in a public school system and obviously doesn't know what she is doing in the classroom.

Quote:Awww, so school wasn't fun 'n' games. Big whoop. Do they even cover psychology on SOLs? If so, why? It's an elective, remember?

It is considered a social studies credit. It also is considered a college prepatory class. Every student, whether engineer (of which I was/am), teacher, business, etc., have to take psychology while in college. So yes, it is a standard of learning.

Quote:Maybe that's where your first problem is. You and your mom don't know the first thing about what schools are supposed to be doing. Maybe playing psych games sounds like school to you guys, but I doubt that helps a kid compete w/ some engineer from Singapore.

Apparently it didn't hurt me getting a well rounded education. I had a job right out of college. In fact I had it before I ever graduated.

Quote:Like get guns?
That's a profoundly ignorant paragraph that further demonstrates you know NOTHING about childhood development. Children have a keen sense of right and wrong, and they are weaker than adults, emotionally as well as physically. Bullying, injustice, etc, all affect kids much more profoundly than adults.
There is a timing that goes along with what materials are to be taught to kids, and what they should be exposed to. You don't just throw them into situations figuring they'll learn from them.
Respectfully disagree all you want, but if you used any empirical evidence maybe your theories wouldn't be so absurd.

Schools are safer today than ever before. The media likes to accentuate the negative, thus many people believe schools are more dangerous today than in the past.

From the US Department of Education:

Quote:Between 1992 and 2004, the victimization rates for students ages 12-18 generally declined both at school and away from school; this pattern held for the total crime rate as well as for thefts,7 violent crimes,8 and serious violent crimes9 (table 2.1). At school, total crime and theft victimization rates for students were lower in 2004 than in 2003. For example, the victimization rate of students ages 12-18 at school declined from 73 victimizations per 1,000 students in 2003 to 55 such victimizations in 2004. Theft victimization at school declined from 45 victimizations per 1,000 students in 2003 to 33 such victimizations of students in 2004. Away from school, total crime and violent crime victimization rates were lower in 2004 than in 2003. There were 48 victimizations per 1,000 students away from school in 2004, compared with 60 victimizations in 2003. Violent victimization away from school declined from 32 victimizations per 1,000 students in 2003 to 21 victimizations in 2004.

It appears to me that both bullying and guns are not as big of a problem at school as you lead people to believe.

Quote:BINGO. The homeschool kids didn't know how to party.

Actually, they don't know how to behave in those situations. Whether getting drunk and fighting or sitting in the corner talking to nobody, in most cases they haven't had the social situations in life to learn how to behave before college.

Quote:So you got rejected by homeschool chicks, and now you're bitter. Too bad.

Yes, you got me, those damn homeschooled chicks would not go out with me. Luckily for me there were a lot more public schooled chicks who had no problem talking to me or going out with me...

Quote:In your landmark casestudy, did you compare that w/ public school kids who don't know how to talk to the opposite sex? Did you investigate to see if any homeschool kids just didn't go to your parties, and did fine in their own peer groups? Did you do any sort of longitudinal study to discover if you were looking at a non-representative set of students who were pulled from public school b/c of emotional/social problems and who now are years beyond where they would have been if they remained in public schools? Did you document any numbers to see if you were biasing your observations on your anecdotal recall?

Those were my experiences, with people from my dorm floor (all engineers), people in my fraternity, people in my classes, people whom I associated with outside of all of those places, etc. Obviously it was not a scientific study.

Quote:"Many times" well, you must have reams of data to support this.

Once again, I admit, it is just based on experience.

Quote:While the US universities may be better than their counterparts, the international students are better than their US counterparts. Which is exactly the point. Owned.

Maybe before college (according to standardized tests), but after tests both students have studied the same material. I'm confused as to how that would prove any point about the foreign students being better than US students after college graduation. I'm not too worried about their HS students coming out with a slight lead in standardized test scores if the US students continue to go to college and graduate at the current numbers.

Quote:Yeah, well when you start hiring top scientists, engineers, craftsmen and other employees, maybe your opinion will mean something. In the meanwhile, you are simply using circular reasoning: you're defending the system that produced you, using your training as evidence that the system is good. Ironically, if the system were as good as you say, and if you knew logic like you claim, you wouldn't be making that fallacious argument.

Funny you should say that, I am the IT manager for an IT and Scientific company (we hire employees for NOAA, NASA, DHS, as well as develop custom computer applications for other US government agencies). I've been involved in hiring/recruiting/interviewing top scientists, software engineers, and network engineers.

My logic is that your way of grading students is too simple. A standardized test score is not a good way, in and of itself, to grade how our students are doing. A well rounded employee needs to have the intelligence and the social skills if they are going to succeed at the highest level. In my opinion, home school puts kids at a disadvantage in terms of social skills compared to public and private schools.

Quote:No go see Mommy and see if she can bolster your self-esteem and self-actualization. You are good enough, smart enough, and doggone it, people like you.

Nice, classy statement. I guess you must be the bully nowadays. Were you picked on while a kid since you feel the need to attack people? You make yourself feel better by attacking others without your same view instead of listening to multiple viewpoints?

I probably shouldn't have even responded to your post... I got a PM from a person on here who is a conservative who even said not to bother with you, all you do is attack people who don't agree with you. Even though he agrees with most of your view points, he said it isn't worth the time to argue with you due to your style of attack instead of a style of fostering more conversation...

DrTorch Wrote:Why should I be happy about some lackwit who doesn't know her job, screwing w/ kids' and the US' futures?

How is a teacher who is handed a curriculum by their Board of Education screwing with someone's future? Why is getting a well rounded education a bad thing?

Quote:I don't figure many folks will change their mind at this point, but maybe after a lifetime of repeated failures, some of these folks may recognize that they should have looked for a different way to do things.

Or even out of spite, sometimes folks will do some actual research and come to recognize that hot-headed or not, I was right. It actually has happened a couple of times.

BTW, that wasn't even close to nuclear.

It has been my experience that when someone asks you for independent research that supports your viewpoint you disappear...

This is a very unscientific study, but I don't buy this crap that home school kids are socially backward and that once they hit high school they sit in the corner by themselves. That's ridiculous. I've been around many home school kids and they are perfectly normal--all of them. Of course all of the ones I know are Christian people. They have a solid moral foundation, and they are not ashamed of it.

I do question how safe public schools are nowadays. I mean they have taken discipline out of the school and there is pressure to keep kids in school just for the body count alone. I've also noticed this huge trend towards female principals at high schools and jr. high now further feminizing the status of our schools. "Johnny, be nice, don't hit Bobby, talk to each other about how you feel". The schools are not standing up for what is right and throwing the thugs out. What if a white kids has a problem with a black? What are his chances?

My brother's kids went to this huge public school on the west side of Cincinnati called Colerain. They have great football teams there and won state a couple years ago. He said the mix of white/black was about 60/40, but increasing all the time. He also said that in 2 years Colerain would be a thug school like an inner city school because of the group coming up behind him AND THERE WAS NO DISCIPLINE. I would fear to have my kids (if I had any) go to a public school. It's like going to a female apartment manager and telling her the guy next to you has his stereo cranked up again even after you've asked him 5 times to turn it down--nothing gets done.

I used to live in Cincinnati, I'm quite familiar with Colerain. Just because there are more black kids coming in does not mean that the place is going to hell. Knowing you and your viewpoints I believe that is totally clouding your judgement.

In terms of a woman principal being bad, add another group to which Endzone stereotypes.

Is there anybody or group of people (outside of white males) that you haven't attacked in some way based on stereotypes?

mlb Wrote:I used to live in Cincinnati, I'm quite familiar with Colerain. Just because there are more black kids coming in does not mean that the place is going to hell. Knowing you and your viewpoints I believe that is totally clouding your judgement.

In terms of a woman principal being bad, add another group to which Endzone stereotypes.

Is there anybody or group of people (outside of white males) that you haven't attacked in some way based on stereotypes?

This isn't about stereotypes lady. I'll tell you what is a stereotype is the radical lefist teacher's union that thinks somehow women have been oppressed in yet another area of life--not enough female principals at our public schools. Put it in the same old category of "women can do anything men can do". Well, sorry, but that isn't true. Men are much more suited to be principals of high schools because of the authority aspect of the position. Men don't respect women in positions of authority and I'll most girls think it's silly too.

If you have spent time in Cincinnati, then you know about race relations there. For some reason the blacks in Cincinnati think every problem in the world is because of something whites have done wrong to them. I think my brother's 2 kids who went there for 3 years each would have a much better idea of what is going on there than you. There is a lot of pressure starting with the federal government to have a hands off policy towards blacks in Cincinnati. Colerain is becoming a school without discipline. I believe there is a female principal there too. Political correctness (not stereotypes) are having a very negative effect on high school education. I'm so glad I didn't have to go to school in this politically correct BS atmosphere that pervades our high schools now.

Yep, I was right. Female principal:

http://www.nwlsd.org/chs.asp