T-Monay820 Wrote:Nate, are you questioning my loyalty to Christ? Or is that a list of requirements to be a "pure" Christian? You know me pretty well, so how can you say I don't believe in Our Savior? You know my family and how I was raised, I've been to a Christian camp every summer for the last 6 years, I went to Trail West in '96, and I accepted Christ at something like 9. Christianity is a pact between you and God that can vary from person to person. There is no perfect Christian, but each person is expected to live their life by God's codes and laws and be a "fisher of men" and to spread the Word. Oh, and by the way... I answered yes to all those questions.

Thomas... first of all... you rarely go to church... I know that for a fact. And don't even try to pull the whole "I'm spiritual but not religious" garbage... Christ died for Christian fellowship and to reject church is to reject Christ.

You couldn't possibly have answered yes to all those questions and STILL believe in murder like you do. That is IMPOSSIBLE. Christ died so we could love one another... not so we could kill one another! NOWHERE in the Bible... look all over... Genesis, the Exodus, the Law, the Kings, the Prophecy, the 2nd covenant, Early Church, and Revelation... you will NEVER FIND God condoning killing.

Christ came to enact a 2nd covenant... God traded judgment for forgiveness... so that we may PRAY FOR OUR ENEMIES... not kill, and forgive others.... By rejecting that premise you reject Christ.

nate jonesacc Wrote:Thomas... first of all... you rarely go to church... I know that for a fact. And don't even try to pull the whole "I'm spiritual but not religious" garbage... Christ died for Christian fellowship and to reject church is to reject Christ.

So it is Church that makes a Christian? Tell me, is it the physical building? Or the congregation? You need to RE-READ your Bible.

It is NOT your place to question ANYONE'S beliefs. Again, you are only a freaking 16 year old punk. Hell, to go even further, I don't give a damn IF your father is the Dean of Theology at Duke....it is ALSO not HIS right to question anyone's beliefs. If he IS doing that, then he shouldn't be in that position as he IS passing judgement on others as to what they actually believe. THAT is not up to him. He is a mere mortal man.

God isn't stupid Nate. He doesn't expect us to sit idly by and turn the other cheek. We did that after WTC '93, two embassies, and the USS Cole. It didn't work. As I have stated before, you would have us ALL killed. That's a dumb*** policy. We MUST defend ourselves. God knows that. ...and you are a moron.

RebelKev Wrote:I believe in ALL that, but just and loving? The Lord is both of those, so long as you accept his son as your Lord and Savior (I.e. the Trinity). Also, it did NOT say "Thou Shalt Not Murder". It stated, "Thou Shalt Not Kill". Something that is ALSO up to interpretation. David, a mere boy, was chosen to slay the giant, Goliath of the Phillistines. You say that was in the old testament? Well guess what kid, so were the 10 Commandments. Do I think they still hold a meaning? Yes. But Jesus fullfilled the prophecy and died for our sins. Before Jesus died, God would take matters into his OWN hands, read Sodom and Gommorah. After his son came and died for our sins, it was left to us to determine our own destiny. I get SO ticked off at atheists because they state such BS as, "Well, if God already knows what we are going to do, why should I bother?". To that I say........duh. He knows the path you will lead, but you DON'T know that path you will lead so you should keep trying. Also, laws of the land STILL must be obeyed and judgment, worldly standards, are still right to apply.



Nate, if you keep on "Judging" me, God will have a place for you. Only God knows the heart of a man. Not a 16 year old little "Wet Behind the Ears" punk-****** moron. Get a clue dumb***.

Do you know Hebrew, Rebelkev? In certain contexts, the Hebrew verb "to kill" and the Hebrew verb "to murder" are the same. Read 1 Kings 21:19, Deuteronomy 4:41-42 and Numbers 35:30.
Throughout the Bible, particularly the New Testament (which is the bulk of Christian belief), we are called to love our neighbors... love and pray for our enemies... read Paul's letters to the churches in Ephesus, Rome and Corinth... he always talks about how you must live your life so that there isn't even a HINT of sexual immorality... or even a HINT of sin... don't even try to fudge your way out of the 5th commandment! THOU SHALT NOT MURDER.

And, God doesn't necessarily know our path... that's a Calvinist or Presbyterian belief. God gave us free will... why? So that we could have an even greater love and attachment to him than we could had he made us to love him without free will. He had to risk evil to also have the possibility of a greater love. Understand?

Do you not understand why Christ came? Christ came to establish the new covenant. God traded JUDGMENT for FORGIVENESS... so that "all who believe in him shall not perish but have eternal life"... he came so that we would love our enemies and not KILL them... MURDER them or whatever technical term you want to slap on it.

Do you take "obey the laws of your land" to that extreme? That's completely false if you do... why was Paul imprisoned? Because he obeyed the laws of the land? NO! It's one of the noblest things to do to go against laws of your country if they are antiChristian. Read up on Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

Hey buddy... AREN'T YOU JUDGING ME BY CALLING ME A MORON????? ANSWER THAT.

RebelKev Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:Thomas... first of all... you rarely go to church... I know that for a fact. And don't even try to pull the whole "I'm spiritual but not religious" garbage... Christ died for Christian fellowship and to reject church is to reject Christ.

So it is Church that makes a Christian? Tell me, is it the physical building? Or the congregation? You need to RE-READ your Bible.

It is NOT your place to question ANYONE'S beliefs. Again, you are only a freaking 16 year old punk. Hell, to go even further, I don't give a damn IF your father is the Dean of Theology at Duke....it is ALSO not HIS right to question anyone's beliefs. If he IS doing that, then he shouldn't be in that position as he IS passing judgement on others as to what they actually believe. THAT is not up to him. He is a mere mortal man.

God isn't stupid Nate. He doesn't expect us to sit idly by and turn the other cheek. We did that after WTC '93, two embassies, and the USS Cole. It didn't work. As I have stated before, you would have us ALL killed. That's a dumb*** policy. We MUST defend ourselves. God knows that. ...and you are a moron.

YOU judge someone EVERY TIME YOU KILL THEM CONSCIOUSLY!!!!!

RebelKev Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:Thomas... first of all... you rarely go to church... I know that for a fact. And don't even try to pull the whole "I'm spiritual but not religious" garbage... Christ died for Christian fellowship and to reject church is to reject Christ.

So it is Church that makes a Christian? Tell me, is it the physical building? Or the congregation? You need to RE-READ your Bible.

It is NOT your place to question ANYONE'S beliefs. Again, you are only a freaking 16 year old punk. Hell, to go even further, I don't give a damn IF your father is the Dean of Theology at Duke....it is ALSO not HIS right to question anyone's beliefs. If he IS doing that, then he shouldn't be in that position as he IS passing judgement on others as to what they actually believe. THAT is not up to him. He is a mere mortal man.

God isn't stupid Nate. He doesn't expect us to sit idly by and turn the other cheek. We did that after WTC '93, two embassies, and the USS Cole. It didn't work. As I have stated before, you would have us ALL killed. That's a dumb*** policy. We MUST defend ourselves. God knows that. ...and you are a moron.

The CONGREGATION makes the church... the physical building is merely a place to worship... the idea of a church is to gather in fellowship to worship God (not that your every move shouldn't be worship).

Yeah, I'm judging your stupidity.

So tell me, what would you have done after Pearl Harbor? Call them and say, "That's ok, we still love ya"?

How about the Civil War?

What should England have done when attacked by Germany?

Just sit idly by and watch themselves be slaughtered?

I will tell you this, you DAMN sure don't follow the Bible the way "I" see it.

He who lives by the sword, shall Die by the Sword.

And my all time favorite:

Turn the other cheek. Ok we did that. After that, he left no further instructions.

God does NOT expect us to give into tyranny. If you think that, you are either obtuse or lack common sense.

nate jonesacc Wrote:The CONGREGATION makes the church... the physical building is merely a place to worship... the idea of a church is to gather in fellowship to worship God (not that your every move shouldn't be worship).

I am WELL aware of what the Church is. I question your intelligence by thinking it is the Church that gains one access to salvation.

nate jonesacc Wrote:1) Thomas... first of all... you rarely go to church... I know that for a fact. And don't even try to pull the whole "I'm spiritual but not religious" garbage... Christ died for Christian fellowship and to reject church is to reject Christ.

2) You couldn't possibly have answered yes to all those questions and STILL believe in murder like you do. That is IMPOSSIBLE. Christ died so we could love one another... not so we could kill one another! NOWHERE in the Bible... look all over... Genesis, the Exodus, the Law, the Kings, the Prophecy, the 2nd covenant, Early Church, and Revelation... you will NEVER FIND God condoning killing.

1) Going to church has never been a Christian law to be a good Christian. The law is to keep the Sabbath Sacred. I can do that in my own way. Church isn't the only way to do that.

2) So then why do you support the Palestinian terrorists? *cough* Arra-****** *cough* You obviously aren't any more Christian than me then. And you really need to seperate my jokes from my real view of the world. That Middle East Road Map I made was called a joke. My view on france is not.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

Quote:The pledge should not include the words "under God" -- and if it does, then America's schoolchildren should not be required to recite it.

Requiring schoolchildren to recite those words amounts to an establishment of religion.

Of course if these same people committed acts of treason you would immediately jump to their defense claiming they never declared allegiance to America cause they never said the pledge.

Quote:They were added during the 1950s in a propoganda move, when our Congress was determined to draw a bright distinction between our way of life and that of godless Communism.

Of course from reading your posts we can easily derive that you yourself are a communist supporter.

Quote:red-baiting era

McCarthy was an American hero. "Red-baiting" is just a made-up liberal lie to try and cover their tracks during the Cold War, just like the term "McCarthyism". Liberals try to claim, "So I supported communism! I have that right! What you are doing is trying to remove my rights!" Yeah, whatever.

Quote:I tend to believe that we can have morality without God. And for that reason, placement of the Ten Commandments, religious law, in a building devoted to civic law truly does offend me, especially when one considers the bellicose manner in which our Alabama chief justice has done so.

Conservatives believe in a just and loving God. Liberals think they are god.

I am not a communist. I do not believe I am God or a god.

And if you think Joe McCarthy was a hero, then we shouldn't even bother arguing any more.

He was a sleazy bully who ruined the careers of innocent men and women for crass political gain by preying on Americans' fears.

RebelKev Wrote:Yeah, I'm judging your stupidity.

So tell me, what would you have done after Pearl Harbor? Call them and say, "That's ok, we still love ya"?

How about the Civil War?

What should England have done when attacked by Germany?

Just sit idly by and watch themselves be slaughtered?

I will tell you this, you DAMN sure don't follow the Bible the way "I" see it.

He who lives by the sword, shall Die by the Sword.

And my all time favorite:

Turn the other cheek. Ok we did that. After that, he left no further instructions.

God does NOT expect us to give into tyranny. If you think that, you are either obtuse or lack common sense.

You are so out of touch with reality. IT IS COMPLETELY MORAL AND OK TO JUDGE SOMEONE'S BELIEF OR INTELLIGENCE... You judge my stupidity, but I can't judge yours? I believe that you don't believe in the true God. That is not blasphemy, or anything close.

Calling Japan up and saying "That's ok, we still love ya" is exactly what should have happened. That's exactly what Jesus would do. Love you enemies... pray for them and embrace them. That's the Christian response.

Turn the other cheek... turn it and turn it and turn it... regardless of the outcome... it's what we've been called to do. Don't question God... as you tried to state earlier... THAT is blasphemy.

The God of Jesus Christ expects us to cast out tyranny through loving them. Ever heard the phrase "Perfect love casts out fear"? For you... "perfect fears casts out love".

RebelKev Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:The CONGREGATION makes the church... the physical building is merely a place to worship... the idea of a church is to gather in fellowship to worship God (not that your every move shouldn't be worship).

I am WELL aware of what the Church is. I question your intelligence by thinking it is the Church that gains one access to salvation.

The only way to achieve salvation is through costly discipleship... One must give up his/her life to Christ in order to receive the only true life (eternal life).

The church is only what Christ died for. That's all it is. Church is the community of Christians... not a building or an abstract idea. It is a distinct reality.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:1) Thomas... first of all... you rarely go to church... I know that for a fact. And don't even try to pull the whole "I'm spiritual but not religious" garbage... Christ died for Christian fellowship and to reject church is to reject Christ.

2) You couldn't possibly have answered yes to all those questions and STILL believe in murder like you do. That is IMPOSSIBLE. Christ died so we could love one another... not so we could kill one another! NOWHERE in the Bible... look all over... Genesis, the Exodus, the Law, the Kings, the Prophecy, the 2nd covenant, Early Church, and Revelation... you will NEVER FIND God condoning killing.

1) Going to church has never been a Christian law to be a good Christian. The law is to keep the Sabbath Sacred. I can do that in my own way. Church isn't the only way to do that.

2) So then why do you support the Palestinian terrorists? *cough* Arra-****** *cough* You obviously aren't any more Christian than me then. And you really need to seperate my jokes from my real view of the world. That Middle East Road Map I made was called a joke. My view on france is not.

1) Thomas... do you know realize that Christ DIED for our fellowship? You MUST go to "church"... you don't understand what church is. It is the gathering of Christians... one must have that in their life to be considered a Christian. It has nothing to do with Sundays... you can have "church" in your life any day of the week, and you should.

2) I support the lowly, the meek, and the oppressed. I don't support terrorists... I don't support Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or the Israeli army. When have I stated that I support the Palestinian terrorists?

Also... I don't know if you believe this or not... but the goal of Christianity is not to achieve salvation. That's a misconception.

Just read my sig people. Nate has lost touch with reality.

nate jonesacc Wrote:You are so out of touch with reality. IT IS COMPLETELY MORAL AND OK TO JUDGE SOMEONE'S BELIEF OR INTELLIGENCE... You judge my stupidity, but I can't judge yours? I believe that you don't believe in the true God. That is not blasphemy, or anything close.

Calling Japan up and saying "That's ok, we still love ya" is exactly what should have happened. That's exactly what Jesus would do. Love you enemies... pray for them and embrace them. That's the Christian response.

Turn the other cheek... turn it and turn it and turn it... regardless of the outcome... it's what we've been called to do. Don't question God... as you tried to state earlier... THAT is blasphemy.

The God of Jesus Christ expects us to cast out tyranny through loving them. Ever heard the phrase "Perfect love casts out fear"? For you... "perfect fears casts out love".

Save.

RebelKev Wrote:Just read my sig people. Nate has lost touch with reality.

:laugh:

It's great how you can't respond to what I said rationally. Maybe your faith wasn't as strong as you once thought...?

nate jonesacc Wrote:It's great how you can't respond to what I said rationally. Maybe your faith wasn't as strong as you once thought...?

Again: Look at the sig.

Schadenfreude Wrote:And if you think Joe McCarthy was a hero, then we shouldn't even bother arguing any more.

He was a sleazy bully who ruined the careers of innocent men and women for crass political gain by preying on Americans' fears.

:roflol: Heres a fact: 60% of the American population was supportive of McCarthy through-out his term. Thats more than people who were opposed to the Vietnam War (another lie Liberals made up was that there was a sweeping anti-war movement. Sorry, thats wrong too). Shows what you know about McCarthy. He was a WWII hero, recieved the Distinguished Service Cross. He did his job to the best of his ability and found 57 spies in the State department including Alger Hiss, the Rosenbergs, and more. McCarthy did not destroy a single innoccent person. Thats just BS made up by liberals to hide the fact that they were supportive of a government that tortured its people and put them into abject poverty and are trying to shift the focus of attention (remind you of Watergate?). The blacklisting wasn't because McCarthy issued an order, it was because people didn't like the actors. McCarthy had no reason to go after people outside of the State Dept. His job on the committee he was assigned was to investigate possible loyalty risks in the State Dept. Hollywood and the common man had nothing to do with it the State Dept. And if you say anything about HUAC, you are an even bigger moron. If anyone was the bully, try the Democratic party majority leader in the Senate. Here's the million dollar question: Were there spies in the State department?