Former military servicemen and officers spoke at a press release yesterday, aired by C-SPAN, in which several retired Naval officers said John Kerry had a three-purple heart deal pre-arranged to get out of Vietnam as soon as possible.

I am sure that these men are telling the truth.

This just goes to show that the presidential race this year is much like that of 2000, 1996, 1992 and 1988--it's a non-choice!

Who the heck in their right mind supports either Kerry or the Bush-figure-headed oligarchs?

The Prince of Ketchup reminds me of some Roman noblemen who dithered with military affairs just long enough to get some credit for having served their country. The Prince is a poseur, entirely unfit to be president.

Alas, I think the same of Prince George. So, Dio, I agree

So, it's a choice between Kerry who "throws like a girl" (did I say that? :roflol: ) and Dubya who barbecues "weird limey rabbits," i.e., the Queen's corgis, on the lawn of Buckingham Palace (see the link under the Shocking... thread) ... For the first time since I was old enough to vote (and it hasn't been ALL THAT long ) I just might sit this one out.

Go to Brokennewz.com for the photo--

John Kerry Throws Communion Hosts Back At Vatican
4/30/2004 - Happy Dog


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A new credibility controversy erupted in the Kerry campaign after pictures surfaced of the "Pro-Choice Catholic" candidate throwing communion hosts back at the Vatican in protest of the Church's anti-abortion policy.

"Back in Nixon's Vietnam, we had no choice, which is why I bravely took a stand and returned to the United States after getting three minor wounds in three months. While George W. Bush was AWOL from the National Guard, I was busy protesting and testifying before Congress, accusing fellow American servicemen of rampant war crimes, thereby boosting my political profile so that I would be able to seek public office and fight for abortion on demand."

Kerry then said the communion hosts actually belonged to someone else, and were really Necco Wafers, so as not to upset Catholic voters, but if they had been real hosts and really belonged to him, he would have thrown them to show his solidarity with the pro-choice voters.

"The Catholic Church is like the Bush administration- both of their unilateral, black-and-white, right-and-wrong policies have led to tragic disastrous consequences throughout the world!" Kerry stated. "As President and Pope, I would reach out to other countries and religions and build policies and doctrines based on consensus, understanding, and respect for their beliefs!" after which Kerry's wife, Teresa, was heard to mutter, "Nuance, schmuance! I knew they stuck that botox needle in too deep!"

Wow, Kerry had Navy Admirals in his pocket?

<a href='http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Silver_Star.pdf' target='_blank'>John Kerry's Silver Star documentation</a>

I guess this begs the question - which is better to have in your pocket, Navy Admirals or Saudi Princes? :rolleyes:

HuskieDan Wrote:Wow, Kerry had Navy Admirals in his pocket?

<a href='http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Silver_Star.pdf' target='_blank'>John Kerry's Silver Star documentation</a>

I guess this begs the question - which is better to have in your pocket, Navy Admirals or Saudi Princes? :rolleyes:

This shows several things about Kerry.

1. He's a liar,
2. he's ambitious,
3. he plays both sides, one side being military combat veteran, the other being war protester.

This is what is dishonorable about the whole thing. I'd have more respect for Kerry had he simply refused to fight in Vietnam, rather than going through the song and dance.

I'd have much more respect for Kerry had he simply came forward and said--hey I'm running for president and back in the Vietnam era I acted like an *ss!

Instead, Kerry joined the Navy and went to Vietnam because he had political ambitions, and 30+ years later he lies about it all instead of owning up to the truth.

And these qualities exhibited by Kerry are quite similar to the dishonorable qualities contained in Bush.

I'm still voting for Kerry, don't get me wrong, but I'm not going to like it. And I'm quite peeved that our system can give us a choice only between these two men. So much for best political system in the world! :drink:

KlutzDio I Wrote:

HuskieDan Wrote:Wow, Kerry had Navy Admirals in his pocket?&nbsp;

<a href='http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Silver_Star.pdf' target='_blank'>John Kerry's Silver Star documentation</a>

I guess this begs the question - which is better to have in your pocket, Navy Admirals or Saudi Princes?&nbsp; :rolleyes:

This shows several things about Kerry.

1. He's a liar,
2. he's ambitious,
3. he plays both sides, one side being military combat veteran, the other being war protester.

This is what is dishonorable about the whole thing. I'd have more respect for Kerry had he simply refused to fight in Vietnam, rather than going through the song and dance.

I'd have much more respect for Kerry had he simply came forward and said--hey I'm running for president and back in the Vietnam era I acted like an *ss!

Instead, Kerry joined the Navy and went to Vietnam because he had political ambitions, and 30+ years later he lies about it all instead of owning up to the truth.

And these qualities exhibited by Kerry are quite similar to the dishonorable qualities contained in Bush.

I'm still voting for Kerry, don't get me wrong, but I'm not going to like it. And I'm quite peeved that our system can give us a choice only between these two men. So much for best political system in the world! :drink:

Rock on Klutz

Theres always nader klutz :D

Skipuno Wrote:Theres always nader klutz :D

Let's say I did vote for Nader. That might give him 1.5% of the popular vote, which means nothing in the electoral system.

Losers aren't a choice.

We have a two-party system, and if more parties were as proficient in getting votes as the Dems and Repugnicans are, then our republican form of government would be more ineffectual than it already is--more gridlock, more mudslinging, more debate of non-issues, and more campaign contributions.

Not only that, but even if Nader was the only one running against Bush, I'd elect not to vote. I think Nader is a freak, although I agree with much that he says. It's all academic, though. If anything he advocates were applied, millions would go bankrupt and anarchy would ensue.

MaumeeRocket Wrote:

KlutzDio I Wrote:

HuskieDan Wrote:Wow, Kerry had Navy Admirals in his pocket? 

<a href='http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Silver_Star.pdf' target='_blank'>John Kerry's Silver Star documentation</a>

I guess this begs the question - which is better to have in your pocket, Navy Admirals or Saudi Princes?   :rolleyes:

This shows several things about Kerry.

1. He's a liar,
2. he's ambitious,
3. he plays both sides, one side being military combat veteran, the other being war protester.

This is what is dishonorable about the whole thing. I'd have more respect for Kerry had he simply refused to fight in Vietnam, rather than going through the song and dance.

I'd have much more respect for Kerry had he simply came forward and said--hey I'm running for president and back in the Vietnam era I acted like an *ss!

Instead, Kerry joined the Navy and went to Vietnam because he had political ambitions, and 30+ years later he lies about it all instead of owning up to the truth.

And these qualities exhibited by Kerry are quite similar to the dishonorable qualities contained in Bush.

I'm still voting for Kerry, don't get me wrong, but I'm not going to like it. And I'm quite peeved that our system can give us a choice only between these two men. So much for best political system in the world! :drink:

Rock on Klutz

John Kerry is an American patriot. He put his life on the line in Vietnam and won medals for his efforts. Then he came back and stuck to his principles by trying to put an end to a war he saw as needless and futile.

George Bush is a chickenhawk who spent the Vietnam era staggering around Texas and Alabama drunk, unable to be found by his commanding officers for weeks at a time. Then, as president, he started a needless war his own personal reasons.

And now, in an effort to smear a decent, honorable man, Republicans are arguing... what? That Kerry wasn't wounded in war in an honorable, manly enough way for you?

And this makes him unfit to be president when, for all we know, George Bush was snorting blow off hookers' chests at the time?

If Saturday Night Live put all this in a skit, we wouldn't even laugh because it would be so stupid.

You guys, quite simply, are nuts.

If George Bush wanted to invade the Bahamas tommorrow because the sky is purpile, I'm sure a lot of you dumb ****s would insist, loudly, that THE SKY IS PURPLE AND WE MUST STAND BEHIND THE PRESIDENT.

Nicely said, Schad!

Oddball Wrote:Nicely said, Schad!&nbsp;

Agreed.

It's amazing to me that ANYONE would suggest that questioning HOW one who was injured in battle served his country is a good political tactic, and more amazingly that ANYONE would take that argument seriously. Try walking into a VFW Post and doing that to some of the guys at the bar. BTW - you won't find Dubya on the membership roll, despite the fact that he was in the Guard when the nation was instituting a draft.

FWIW, I could fully understand using his protests against him in your political fight. Personally, I think that he lived it so he had a unique perspective on that war among its protestors. But questioning the nature behind a Purple Heart, sheesh....just look at what has been said about the kid from UMass that criticized Pat Tillman.

Who the heck says you can't question someone on how they were wounded in war? That is a ridiculous assertion. Why not, especially with so many people faking service records to get ahead either in the business or political world?


So many officers in our military, past and present, are in their positions for political reasons. Kerry represents a long tradition of this practice. Join the military, if there's a war (every generation has a war) go to it, and if you have the right connections, then you only have to deal with war for a brief time. Come home, run for congress, send connectionless people to future wars.

Kerry is a hack.

At first I thought the Repugnicans were blasting Kerry's Vietnam record like they did to the Bush opponents in the 2000 election-Gore and, quite sickly, they blasted John McCain. Not only is he a fellow Repugnican, but a war hero who sacrificed himself for the men in his command. McCain could have taken advantage of privileges during his stay at the Hanoi Hilton, but he chose to do the honorable thing and he did it out of duty, not so he could run for congress.

But after the Vets came forward, who served with Kerry, some of whom were his superiors, one being an admiral who knows for certainty that Kerry had a deal to get three quick purple hearts so he could go home. The admiral in question was the one recomending the medals for Kerry at the personal request of several Massachussetts politicians.

Bush was snorting coke off of strippers' chests during this period, and he had his own political connections in the ANG. He's not really different from Kerry as far as service and duty goes. It's just that no one has come forward to expose Bush because he apparently snorted coke off of strippers' chests at some Dothan, Alabama brothel and outside of the view of generals and commanding officers. So the case of Kerry's boldface lies, people came forward. In the case of Bush, he either kept a low profile or paid people not to come foward.

Either way, both candidates suck and I feel like the ballot should contain a box that says 'check here for none of the above.'

Someone with Kerry's connections could have easily avoided active combat in any number of ways, yet didn't. Instead, he requested active duty in Vietnam.

The requirements for a Purple Heart:

a) Injury caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel or other projectile created by enemy action.
b) Injury caused by enemy-placed mine or trap.
c) Injury caused by enemy-released chemical, biological or nuclear agent.
d) Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy fire.
e) Concussion injuries caused as a result of enemy-generated explosions.

Examples of injuries or wounds which clearly do not qualify for award of the Purple Heart are as follows:
a) Frostbite or trench foot injuries.
b) Heat stroke.
c) Food poisoning not caused by enemy agents.
d) Chemical, biological, or nuclear agents not released by the enemy.
e) Battle fatigue.
f) Disease not directly caused by enemy agents.
g) Accidents, to include explosive, aircraft, vehicular and other accidental wounding not related to or caused by enemy action.

Oddball Wrote:Someone with Kerry's connections could have easily avoided active combat in any number of ways, yet didn't. Instead, he requested active duty in Vietnam.

The requirements for a Purple Heart:

a) Injury caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel or other projectile created by enemy action.
b) Injury caused by enemy-placed mine or trap.
c) Injury caused by enemy-released chemical, biological or nuclear agent.
d) Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy fire.
e) Concussion injuries caused as a result of enemy-generated explosions.

Examples of injuries or wounds which clearly do not qualify for award of the Purple Heart are as follows:
a) Frostbite or trench foot injuries.
b) Heat stroke.
c) Food poisoning not caused by enemy agents.
d) Chemical, biological, or nuclear agents not released by the enemy.
e) Battle fatigue.
f) Disease not directly caused by enemy agents.
g) Accidents, to include explosive, aircraft, vehicular and other accidental wounding not related to or caused by enemy action.

Odd,

He requested it because he knew it wouldn't be the normal 1 year tour of duty. He knew only three months time would suffice for the proper documentation that would aid his future political career.

At the time Kerry joined the navy, one had to have military experience to run for national office such as congress, senate or White House.

Top brass give out medals or recommend particular men under their command for medals. What the top brass write in a report is what happened, not what Kerry actually had to go through. If General X wrote that Kerry fought bravely and continued to fight after being injured, then that is what happened regardless of what 100 or so other naval veterans who were on the scene say.

Kerry was a wealthy young man with political ambitions and that is why he had medals from Vietnam. At the time he probably thought this was the only way to get elected to national office.

In a word, and with all due respect...nonsense. From the presidency down to the lowest county official, the lie has been put to that theory so many times that it amazes me that theories like this can even exist.

Kerry arrived in Vietnam on November 17, 1968. He served until March 17, 1969 . The reason his tour of duty was cut short was that it was policy to send anyone on swift boats home after being injured, in action, three times. Unless you're suggesting that, while at Yale, he hatched a plan to join the service and jump in front of shrapnel until he was wounded enough times to be sent home, just because he wanted to have a combat record in case he ran for President some day. Then again, that would explain why the men who served with him claim that his method of defense was to charge straight into the enemy until they were defeated.

Anarchy ensuing might not be such a bad thing, Dio. At least then we could vote to chuck the electoral college! :D

KlutzDio I Wrote:Who the heck in their right mind supports either Kerry or the Bush-figure-headed oligarchs?

Gary Nolan for President 2004

Oddball Wrote:Kerry arrived in Vietnam on November 17, 1968. He served until March 17, 1969 . The reason his tour of duty was cut short was that it was policy to send anyone on swift boats home after being injured, in action, three times. Unless you're suggesting that, while at Yale, he hatched a plan to join the service and jump in front of shrapnel until he was wounded enough times to be sent home, just because he wanted to have a combat record in case he ran for President some day. Then again, that would explain why the men who served with him claim that his method of defense was to charge straight into the enemy until they were defeated.

That's not what several old men who served with Kerry in Vietnam said on C-SPAN last week.

A group of 12 Navy veterans who served with Kerry and remember him from Vietnam spoke to the press about a week ago debunking his Navy career. They represented about 100 officers and NCOs who were with Kerry and knew him when they were all in Vietnam. The group repeatedly stated that they were coming forward because they were outraged at the lies on Kerry's website and his lies on several talk shows and other speaking appearances.

Several in the group said Kerry's "wounds" were all superficial and he did not need to be transported via Medevac from the area where he was "wounded." The group also said two of the wounds amounted to a mere scratch, on the buttocks and cheek, typical abrasions suffered by troops in combat.

The group all said that Kerry avoided combat duty like the plague, oftentimes opting out of scheduled patrols.

I'm apt to believe so many people with the same story because they were actually there, in-country, with the mighty evil one, John Kerry. I'm apt to believe them because I saw Kerry on the talk shows and his references to Vietnam and his nonchalant demeanor when speaking about Vietnam had me outraged. The group of navy veterans speaking against Kerry last week also mentioned political favors for Kerry and others of above-average means, especially young officers. This came from high-level former officers such as admirals and captains (navy captains). The entire group said they have been bombarding the media about this since Kerry announced his bid for the White House some time ago, and after giving up back in January, some Washington Post people put together a "coming out" party for them, televised only by C-SPAN, and later that day only Fox News reported on the affair, while CNN had it on it's "crawl" at the bottom of the screen.

Kerry is a political beast just like the current president and both would do or say anything to get elected. That is the nature of the democratic-representative system, and if you don't like it, you can git out! :D

KlutzDio I Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:Kerry arrived in Vietnam on November 17, 1968. He served until March 17, 1969 . The reason his tour of duty was cut short was that it was policy to send anyone on swift boats home after being injured, in action, three times. Unless you're suggesting that, while at Yale, he hatched a plan to join the service and jump in front of shrapnel until he was wounded enough times to be sent home, just because he wanted to have a combat record in case he ran for President some day. Then again, that would explain why the men who served with him claim that his method of defense was to charge straight into the enemy until they were defeated.

That's not what several old men who served with Kerry in Vietnam said on C-SPAN last week.

A group of 12 Navy veterans who served with Kerry and remember him from Vietnam spoke to the press about a week ago debunking his Navy career. They represented about 100 officers and NCOs who were with Kerry and knew him when they were all in Vietnam. The group repeatedly stated that they were coming forward because they were outraged at the lies on Kerry's website and his lies on several talk shows and other speaking appearances.

Several in the group said Kerry's "wounds" were all superficial and he did not need to be transported via Medevac from the area where he was "wounded." The group also said two of the wounds amounted to a mere scratch, on the buttocks and cheek, typical abrasions suffered by troops in combat.

The group all said that Kerry avoided combat duty like the plague, oftentimes opting out of scheduled patrols.

I'm apt to believe so many people with the same story because they were actually there, in-country, with the mighty evil one, John Kerry. I'm apt to believe them because I saw Kerry on the talk shows and his references to Vietnam and his nonchalant demeanor when speaking about Vietnam had me outraged. The group of navy veterans speaking against Kerry last week also mentioned political favors for Kerry and others of above-average means, especially young officers. This came from high-level former officers such as admirals and captains (navy captains). The entire group said they have been bombarding the media about this since Kerry announced his bid for the White House some time ago, and after giving up back in January, some Washington Post people put together a "coming out" party for them, televised only by C-SPAN, and later that day only Fox News reported on the affair, while CNN had it on it's "crawl" at the bottom of the screen.

Kerry is a political beast just like the current president and both would do or say anything to get elected. That is the nature of the democratic-representative system, and if you don't like it, you can git out! :D

:rolleyes:

In other words, you are saying Kerry wasn't hurt *enough* while on putting his life on the line in service to his country.

George W. Bush -- that paragon of bravery -- should come out and say it himself, instead of letting Karl Rove do his dirty work for him.

Don't be such a sheep. The records are there for anyone to see for themselves. Some politically motivated group can't change them. Someday maybe Bush will release his.

<a href='http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Spot_Kerry.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Spot_Kerry.pdf</a>
<a href='http://www.johnkerry.com/about/SpotReports_March1969.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.johnkerry.com/about/SpotReports...s_March1969.pdf</a>
<a href='http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Purple_Heart_1_Citation.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Purple_Hear..._1_Citation.pdf</a>
<a href='http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Purple_Heart_2_Citation.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Purple_Hear..._2_Citation.pdf</a>
<a href='http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Purple_Heart_3_Citation.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.johnkerry.com/about/Purple_Hear..._3_Citation.pdf</a>