Quote:CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) - President Bush denounced TV ads by outside groups attacking both John Kerry and himself on Monday and called for a halt to all such political efforts. "I think they're bad for the system," he said

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Swift Boat Veterans for Truth said they would tell Bush to "forget it" if he ask them to stop running the ad's. It Will be interesting to see if they live up to that.

$10 says Kerry's campaign 1) doesn't pull the ad they just released that blames Bush for the Swifties 2) They continue to blame him even after the ads keep running.

O'Neill was on Rush's show when Bush denounced ALL 527s - he said that he isn't in contact with the Bush campaign so it doesn't matter what he asks for. They feel like they have a right to be heard and will continue to exercise that right, etc.

If anyone is dumb enough to take you up on that bet niner, I'll throw in an extra $10 so you can make it a $20 bet.

The hypocricy of the Democratic party and the Kerry campaign has hit new, unprecedented heights.

A separate group of angry Vets makes a commercial that hurts John Kerry's feelings, which may or may not be very well true. In turn, he files suite, starts crying and blaming Bush, and the entire Democratic party go up in arms taking the "moral high ground".

Meanwhile, Michael Moore creates a piece of crap that is nothing but one LIE after another. It is an hour and a half of pure hatred and lies. He has done this for the better part of his career. Moore creates the most hateful, ficticious movie of hate and slander towards Bush that possible has EVER been created. Does Kerry denounce Moore? Does Kerry call for a ban of the movie? Does Kerry speak out for bush? NO, HE INVITES HIM TO THE PRESIDENTIAL BOX OF HIS CONVENTION.

Unbelievable. How anyone can support this fraud for President is absolutely beyond me. Only the democrats could get away with hypocricy and double standards of this magnitude in the press.

Democrats and Liberals= hypocrites.

Kerry blasted Bush today regarding the swift vet ads.

Good thing no one took my bet.

Ninerfan1 Wrote:Kerry blasted Bush today regarding the swift vet ads.

Good thing no one took my bet.

This is just further evidence that John Kerry has absolutely no stance or idea of waht he's doing when it comes to the issues of being President.

Bush, as always, spoke out against ALL freelance slander commercials, trying to put this issue behind them and get to the issues. But, Kerry won't have it. Why? Because John Kerry MUST focus soley on what he did 30 years ago. He knows his Senate record is as weak as it comes, and he knows he's a weak candidate for President.

Kerry is the only one making this idiotic service argument a big issue. It's the only thing they can do, however- they have no credibility on other issues.

Ninerfan1 Wrote:Kerry blasted Bush today regarding the swift vet ads.

Good thing no one took my bet.

So did Edwards. I believe he said something to the effect that Bush had failed at stopping the attack adds.

Here is my view--->Bush denounced all these Groups, including, but not limited to the Swift Boat Veterans. Kerry and Edwards only whine about the adds (never actually attempting to do anything about it). So who is the failure in this instance?

You guys need to open your eyes.........it's time to wake up.

Bush tells the SBVT guys (and others) to quit running the ad (wink, wink)

The SBVT guys say they can run whatever they want.

Bush says "well I tried" (wink,wink) and he comes out smelling like a rose and the ads continue.

Karl Rove's dirty neo-con politics at their finest.

It's kinda like pro wrestling, it's not hard to figure out..........

The Knight Time Wrote:The hypocricy of the Democratic party and the Kerry campaign has hit new, unprecedented heights.

A separate group of angry Vets makes a commercial that hurts John Kerry's feelings, which may or may not be very well true.&nbsp; In turn, he files suite, starts crying and blaming Bush, and the entire Democratic party go up in arms taking the "moral high ground".

Meanwhile, Michael Moore creates a piece of crap that is nothing but one LIE after another.&nbsp; It is an hour and a half of pure hatred and lies.&nbsp; He has done this for the better part of his career. Moore creates the most hateful, ficticious movie of hate and slander towards Bush that possible has EVER been created.&nbsp; Does Kerry denounce Moore?&nbsp; Does Kerry call for a ban of the movie?&nbsp; Does Kerry speak out for bush? NO, HE INVITES HIM TO THE PRESIDENTIAL BOX OF HIS CONVENTION.

Unbelievable.&nbsp; How anyone can support this fraud for President is absolutely beyond me.&nbsp; Only the democrats could get away with hypocricy and double standards of this magnitude in the press.&nbsp;

Democrats and Liberals= hypocrites.

Have you stopped to think that many people willingly paid good money to go see Moore's move?

It's not like a commercial on TV.

Think about it.


:snore:

Republicans and neo-cons=sheeple

Trooper Wrote:You guys need to open your eyes.........it's time to wake up.

Bush tells the SBVT guys (and others) to quit running the ad (wink, wink)

The SBVT guys say they can run whatever they want.

Bush says "well I tried" (wink,wink) and he comes out smelling like a rose and the ads continue.

Karl Rove's dirty neo-con politics at their finest.

It's kinda like pro wrestling, it's not hard to figure out..........

Wow. Trooper you've got it all figured out. I'm convinced.

I know it's just academic but could you post the proof you have that Bush is orchestrating with these groups? I know it's a moot point but i'd still like to see it. You know, just to reenforce the convincing argument you've already made. :rolleyes:

What's really funny is if the Swifties said, OK, we'll stop, Trooper and Kerry would be screaming "See, I told you they were in league!!!" :cry: :cry:

Trooper Wrote:Have you stopped to think that many people willingly paid good money to go see Moore's move?

Think about it.

You're the one with the Bible verse quoted. Even libs blasted Moore for his lies. Connect the dots Trooper.

Trooper Wrote:

The Knight Time Wrote:The hypocricy of the Democratic party and the Kerry campaign has hit new, unprecedented heights.

A separate group of angry Vets makes a commercial that hurts John Kerry's feelings, which may or may not be very well true.  In turn, he files suite, starts crying and blaming Bush, and the entire Democratic party go up in arms taking the "moral high ground".

Meanwhile, Michael Moore creates a piece of crap that is nothing but one LIE after another.  It is an hour and a half of pure hatred and lies.  He has done this for the better part of his career. Moore creates the most hateful, ficticious movie of hate and slander towards Bush that possible has EVER been created.  Does Kerry denounce Moore?  Does Kerry call for a ban of the movie?  Does Kerry speak out for bush? NO, HE INVITES HIM TO THE PRESIDENTIAL BOX OF HIS CONVENTION.

Unbelievable.  How anyone can support this fraud for President is absolutely beyond me.  Only the democrats could get away with hypocricy and double standards of this magnitude in the press. 

Democrats and Liberals= hypocrites.

Have you stopped to think that many people willingly paid good money to go see Moore's move?

It's not like a commercial on TV.

Think about it.


:snore:

Republicans and neo-cons=sheeple

Does it matter? Just because people pay to see someone's movie makes them credible and erases any slander and dirty politics involved?

The book "Unfit for Command" is selling at record paces. People WILLINGLY are paying for it. Does that mean it's ok then, by your standard?

Spin it all you want, liberal weiner boy, but the democrats are the most hypocritical people I've seen. It didn't always used to be this way, but this is what happens when you let Kerry, Edwards, Dean, Clinton, and Sharpton run your party.

I can promise you that the SBVT will not be sitting in a presidential box at the RNC, Michael Moore so shamefully did, at the request of the fraud himself....John Kerry.

Millions of people want to willingly buy "Unfit for Command" but Kerry and his damn goons are trying to get it pulled. Kerry and the leftists and their 527's have outspent the ones supporting Bush by 23/1 and NOW you want to *****? Wanna know what "I" would have said had Kerry wanted me to tell them to stop? "Bite my ***, it's their right as citizens and veterans". They are not a front for Bush. Damn I hate hypocrites. Where the "F" was Kerry when Moveon.org was comparing him to Hitler? When is he going to stifle that dumb*** alien Whoopie Goldberg? Why are there SOOO many damn ties between those leftist 527's and Kerry's campaign. Lemme tell you something, you don't have the ground to STAND on to question the Swiftvets until you sweep off your own damn porch.

Quote:Does Kerry call for a ban of the movie?  Does Kerry speak out for bush? NO, HE INVITES HIM TO THE PRESIDENTIAL BOX OF HIS CONVENTION.

I've never seen this reported anywhere.

Who invited Moore to the convention?

Why don't you double check on that and get back to us.

After some fact checking, I suspect you will find it wasn't Kerry.

The Knight Time Wrote:Bush, as always, spoke out against ALL freelance slander commercials, trying to put this issue behind them and get to the issues.

This is the core logical fallacy.

Nothing any 527 has aired remotely compares to the Swift Boat ad.

The Bush campaign desperately wants to make this about all 527s -- yet no one seems to be able to point to another ad that rivals the Swift Boat ad in terms of the shakiness of the facts and the pure mean-spiritedness.

I listened to a lot of right wing talk today. I heard plenty of comparisons to Michael Moore -- but, of course, these fall short. Moore isn't a 527. Banning all 527s does nothing about Michael Moore.

So, when Bush calls for an end to all 527 ads, what he's really saying is that he's tired of Democrats and Democratic supporters having as much money to spend as he does.

In 2000, the Bush campaign had 55 percent more cash to spend than the Gore campaign.

The 527s have eliminated the gap this year -- and that's why Bush wants to make this about the 527s.

The existence of 527s is a separate issue from the fact that the Swift Boat ad is the most disgusting television attack in American presidential history.

Political scientists will be talking about that ad 50 years from now.

The Swift Boat ads are information from people that actually served with Kerry like Steve Gardiner. It's nothing like the defamation Moveon.org, etc. stated about Bush. Kerry slandered them when he came back from Vietnam, he slandered them in his biography, and now the effer is slandering them by trying to get them shut up.


....oh, and Schad, you seem to think that Prez Bush can stifle the speech of the Swift Boat ads, you don't think Kerry can dictate who comes to the Democratic Convention? :rolleyes:


Bush Effed up BIG time with me by saying what he said about the swift boaters. I don't think I've heard them say they supported Bush; they just DON'T support Kerry. Don't start dishing it out, when you can't take it.

Schadenfreude Wrote:The 527s have eliminated the gap this year -- and that's why Bush wants to make this about the 527s.

The existence of 527s is a separate issue from the fact that the Swift Boat ad is the most disgusting television attack in American presidential history.

Political scientists will be talking about that ad 50 years from now.

When had Bush made it about 527's? OH JEEZ!!!! I KNEW IT!!!!! I stated a couple of days ago that if Bush was to state something about them, per Kerry's request, the Liberals would ***** that he was trying to stop 527's. YOU guys can't have it both damn ways.

This is the FIRST time I have heard Bush say anything about 527's......when KERRY'S effin campaign asked him to. DAMN!!!!!!

BTW Schad, want me to dig up the slanderous statements made in '96 about Dole's Purple Hearts? Huh?


Huh?



Huh?????

Schadenfreude Wrote:

Quote:Does Kerry call for a ban of the movie?  Does Kerry speak out for bush? NO, HE INVITES HIM TO THE PRESIDENTIAL BOX OF HIS CONVENTION.

I've never seen this reported anywhere.

Who invited Moore to the convention?

Why don't you double check on that and get back to us.

After some fact checking, I suspect you will find it wasn't Kerry.

God, talking to you is like talking to an automated spin doctor.

It's the Democratic convention. He's the Democratic nominee. Even if he personally didn't write the invitation, he sure as hell had no problem with him sitting in the Box at his convention. But, surely John Kerry wouldn't support Michael Moore since he practices dirty politics and lies in the media.

Oh, he does?

And the hypocricy is complete.