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georgia_tech_swagger
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Carolina and Duke are going to be left in the cold when everybody bolts to form a new conference.

If ACC expansion doesn't happen, teams that will probably leave:
- Georgia Tech
- Florida State
- Clemson
- Maryland

On the wave of these schools leaving, I think the following will defect as well:
- Wake Forest
- NC State
- Virginia (since VT would be in on the new conf)

Couple this up with the ACC expansion teams ready to leave the BE
- Virginia Tech
- Syracuse
- Boston College
- Miami


That's 11 teams right there. Looking for 12. Please select 1 of the following schools:
- Pittsburgh
- UCONN
- Notre Dame
- West Virginia
- UCF
- USF
- Louisville

The Big Easy will still have to raid C-USA and the MAC to survive, or it will be raided by the A-10, Big10, and who knows who else.

This should make good expansion talk.
06-22-2003 10:54 PM
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Whoa, sounds like Deep Blue's wet dream.
06-23-2003 06:41 AM
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JD Heel
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I don't see that happening.

-JD
06-23-2003 09:15 AM
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socalbyu
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Unfortunately this is exactly when happens when you have member schools that are agressive in allience with schools who have no athletic vision. The 12 team superconferences are here to stay the TV networks are demanding it! Even the MWC which was formed 4 years ago is being pressured to expand to the "super conference" format.
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The New contracts that will be written for the 2005-2006 seasons will almost insist on this format. Even Notre Dame is being blistered about being independent. Why else would they even consider playing in the ACC when they presently do about $8 mil per year. They are being told they will have to take less money.
06-23-2003 11:35 AM
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JD Heel Wrote:I don't see that happening.

-JD
Why?
06-23-2003 01:20 PM
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Right now, the ACC is sitting pretty, money-wise. I just don't see everyone in the league but UNC and dook running off to join other (lower-paying) parties.

I could maybe see an FSU leaving to join the SEC, but I don't see much more than that. I think it's even more unlikely that all these teams you've mentioned will just up and create a new conference -- pulling teams from three or so other conferences.

I also don't really think NC State and Wake would split from the other two of the Big Four. I think State is the more likely of the two, being a public school. Wake is a small school that thrives in the makeup of the ACC as it is right now. They benefit from the short distances to the other NC schools and the seats they can fill with the traveling fanbases of those schools.

I think UVa would prefer to be in a different conference than VPI. They would probably agree to VPI's inclusion if that were the only way ACC expansion would go through (because they would then have the green light to vote yes)... but I don't think they want that. They want VPI to be left out in the cold.

Raiding conferences to fill in this new superconference isn't going to be as easy as it sounds. Look at how tough it's been to get three teams out of the Big East -- and those teams haven't even been invited yet.

Personally, I think pro-expansionists are reading too much into the effects of a failed expansion. If expansion doesn't happen, I see the pro-expansion schools pouting and maybe mumbling about an opportunity lost, but I don't see them jumping ship. Well, not immediately, at least. We've just got too much of a good thing going on right now for them to leave just because they didn't get their way on this. But, then again, I could be wrong.

I guess I can't comment on it too much more than that because I don't know the facts. I don't know how the expansion idea came about -- whether it was floated exclusively by Swofford, pushed by certain ACC schools, or initiated by Miami. I think what's going on behind the scenes will have a lot to do with what happens when expansion does/doesn't happen.

-JD
06-23-2003 03:32 PM
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georgia_tech_swagger
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Its not as hard as you'd like to make it.

How do you think the SEC was formed?
06-23-2003 10:44 PM
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:Its not as hard as you'd like to make it.

How do you think the SEC was formed?
Didn't that have something to do with putting all the schools that were currently on probation into the same conference! 03-razz
06-24-2003 10:19 AM
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I say get rid of the crappy *** Big East and put all the big east teams that are SOUTH OF THE MASON DIXON LINE in the ACC (Miami, VT and WVU) let the rest of the schools in that loser conference join the Conference USA or MAC or something. The Big East blows and should be abolished. The basketball teams can keep their crappy conference for Bball only or join the A 10 or something. I hate the big east and I hate the idea of having teams north of the Mason Dixon line in the ACC, the only exception would be like Pitt since they arent all that far away, but geographically they belong in the Big 10. I propose the NCAA shoud get rid of the Big Least and realign all of the conferences geographically kind of like the NFL did. It would make no sense for an ACC team like FSU or GT to travel the whole way to BC for gymnastics meet or something that is one of my reasons why any expansion should be for teams only south of the Mason Dixon line.

All you pro expansion money grubbing geeks can suck it!
06-24-2003 03:06 PM
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Terpy Wrote:I say get rid of the crappy *** Big East and put all the big east teams that are SOUTH OF THE MASON DIXON LINE in the ACC (Miami, VT and WVU) let the rest of the schools in that loser conference join the Conference USA or MAC or something. The Big East blows and should be abolished. The basketball teams can keep their crappy conference for Bball only or join the A 10 or something. I hate the big east and I hate the idea of having teams north of the Mason Dixon line in the ACC, the only exception would be like Pitt since they arent all that far away, but geographically they belong in the Big 10. I propose the NCAA shoud get rid of the Big Least and realign all of the conferences geographically kind of like the NFL did. It would make no sense for an ACC team like FSU or GT to travel the whole way to BC for gymnastics meet or something that is one of my reasons why any expansion should be for teams only south of the Mason Dixon line.

All you pro expansion money grubbing geeks can suck it!
You tell 'em, Terpy! 04-rock

-JD
06-24-2003 03:11 PM
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Paul
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Terpy...

Considering that Maryland is one of the schools
that will bolt from the ACC if there is no expansion,
you take an odd stance.

You know folks...there is another "story" going on
here.

In business: "You listen to what someone is saying."

More importantly: "You listen to what they DON'T
Say."

Most importantly: "You listen to what they're TRYING
to say."

This is a "power-move" on the Carolina schools.

This is a Nine team league...and the chief "bread winners"
are going to get their way...or they're going somewhere
else.
06-24-2003 07:53 PM
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There's been talk in the AJC of changing the ACC bylaws to push expansion through. I don't see that happening, but it's looking more and more like it will be a "Coral Gables-only" expansion -- which doesn't give the ACC a championship game, but it probably does enhance the TV appeal of the conference. It certainly would mean more money in UCG's pocket.

However, don't expect the pro-expansion schools to back down. I'd expect BC, 'Cuse, and VT to be given another push (if not U Conn).
06-24-2003 09:43 PM
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Moot pt -- expansion passes.

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06-24-2003 09:45 PM
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guess the ACC aint dead afterall
06-24-2003 10:41 PM
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Laettner's Legacy Wrote:guess the ACC aint dead afterall
No thanks to the NC mafia. 05-nono
06-24-2003 11:30 PM
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JoltinJacket Wrote:
Laettner's Legacy Wrote:guess the ACC aint dead afterall
No thanks to the NC mafia. 05-nono
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06-24-2003 11:33 PM
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the ACC's class did die tho-all due to those schools south of NC
06-25-2003 06:38 AM
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Source: ACC to pursue Miami, Virginia Tech
Conference call held on Tuesday.


June 25, 2003

By David Droschak The Associated Press


GREENSBORO, N.C. (AP) - The Atlantic Coast Conference has decided to pursue a two-team expansion, one that would add Miami and Virginia Tech, a high-ranking league source said Tuesday night.

After a 2 1/2-hour conference call, ACC commissioner John Swofford refused to comment on whether Miami and Virginia Tech - the Big East's two dominant football schools - had been offered invitations to join.

"We're very close to bringing this to a conclusion. I would expect us to have an announcement in the next couple of days," Swofford said.

The Washington Post and USA Today, quoting anonymous sources, reported on their Web sites that the ACC voted to extend invitations to Miami and Virginia Tech, and that Syracuse and Boston College were not included.

The league source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told The Associated Press that the league presidents decided that the only way expansion would work is if Miami and Virginia Tech joined what would become an 11-team conference. The source also said ACC presidents no longer expect Syracuse and Boston College to be part of the expansion process.

"We're very close to being at the end of this," Swofford told reporters outside ACC headquarters.

He said the ACC presidents do not have another teleconference scheduled.

"Each conference call has taken us a step further and this was the closest one to the end," he said.

Asked whether the reports on Miami and Virginia Tech were accurate, Swofford said he wouldn't comment on "reports and speculation until we're ready to make a definite announcement as to where we are."

Miami SID Mark Pray said the school would have no comment until the ACC announced its plans. Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker said he had no knowledge of a proposal to put his school and Miami into the ACC.

The ACC presidents voted to expand on May 13, and conference officials visited Miami, Boston College and Syracuse to assess their facilities. Virginia Tech came into the picture last week, as part of a compromise suggested by Virginia president John T. Casteen III.

Virginia Tech was one of five Big East football schools who filed a lawsuit June 6 to try to stop BC, Miami and Syracuse from leaving the conference. Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Rutgers and West Virginia were the other parties to the suit.

A Connecticut judge is scheduled to hear preliminary arguments Thursday in the suit.

In Tallahassee, Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said Tuesday he's prepared to intervene on behalf of Miami in the suit. Crist said Miami has the right to choose the conference it wants to play in.

"This is a fundamental dispute among athletic conferences and universities," said Crist, who was asked by Miami to intercede. "Universities have the right to join any conference that invites them. The law does not compel Miami, or any institution, to rebuff a legitimate overture, as long as existing contractual obligations are satisfied."

If the ACC expands to 11 members, it would be one short of the number necessary to hold a football conference championship game.

Tuesday's conference call was the fifth time in two weeks that the presidents met via phone as they tried to finalize possible expansion. Such an expansion could lead to a lucrative conference football title game on television.

Any school leaving the Big East will have to pay a $1 million penalty, and that amount doubles if the school leaves after June 30.
06-25-2003 08:10 AM
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