I didn't see NDSU in the 1-AA playoffs.

I really don't care what C-USA does in the draft. Jason White was a great college QB and didn't get drafted. Neither was Charlie Ward.

We are talking about college sports and not pro-sports.

Enjoy watching C-USA play in more bowls than the MAC. But, your probably already used to that.

Jack Burns Wrote:Also, Ball St lost to NDSU. So, the bottom of the MAC is still losing to 1-AA teams.

This is true, but what you are not looking at Jack is how much the MAC has improved versus 1-AA over the last 10 years.

MAC's record vs. 1-AA since 1997....

2006 3-1
2005 4-0
2004 7-1
2003 13-2
2002 10-3
2001 5-2
2000 5-2
1999 3-3
1998 1-3
1997 1-1

From 2006 to 2003 the MAC had a record of 27-4 vs. 1-AA.
From 2001 to 1997 the MAC had a record of 15-11 vs. 1-AA.

Jack Burns Wrote:Enjoy watching C-USA play in more bowls than the MAC. But, your probably already used to that.

Could you please do some research before throwing out generalities?

2006 bowls

CUSA 5
MAC 4

The difference between MAC/CUSA in bowls was a losing appearance by CUSA in the N.O. Bowl.

Northern Ill. vs. TCU in the Poinsettia Bowl was the only ranked opponent that either MAC or CUSA played.

CUSA has a slightly better bowl set-up........not enough to make a serious difference.

Last time I checked, 5 was greater than 4. So, I don't see your point.

Going into 2008, C-USA has 6 bowls and the MAC has 3.

That is a big difference, in my opinion. I wouldn't call that slight. Plus, the MAC has no tie in to the Poinsettia Bowl. The MAC will be back at 3 bowls this year.

In 2005, C-USA had 6 bowls and the MAC had 2.

I really think YOU need to do the research.

Jack Burns Wrote:Last time I checked, 5 was greater than 4. So, I don't see your point.

Going into 2008, C-USA has 6 bowls and the MAC has 3.

That is a big difference, in my opinion. I wouldn't call that slight. Plus, the MAC has no tie in to the Poinsettia Bowl. The MAC will be back at 3 bowls this year.

In 2005, C-USA had 6 bowls and the MAC had 2.

I really think YOU need to do the research.

OK. I do more research on here than anyone in the entire NCAABBS.....sure you can tell me how it is.

Does having a spot in the Papa John's Bowl (325k payout) and N.O. Bowl (325k payout) make CUSA's bowl offerings really any better?

The MAC earned about as much total money from Bowls as CUSA did in 2006.

3 years ago (before Marshall joined CUSA), CUSA had a far better bowl arrangement than the MAC with its #1 playing the MWC's #1 in the Liberty and 5 solid bowls.

Today the Liberty bowl is no better than the Motor City Bowl playing the 8th pick of the SEC. The N.O. bowl has reduced its payout to nothing. Papa John's has a crap payout. Hawaii Bowl is only on a rotational basis now.

While at the same time the MAC has added a 750k payout bowl against the Big East and with the proliferation of bowl games has played in bowls like Independence and Poinsetta.

CUSA bowls
#1 in Liberty vs. SEC #8
#2 in GMAC vs. MAC #2
Papa John's vs. Big East #6
N.O vs. SBC #1
+rotating slots in the Texas, Hawaii, and Armed Forces Bowl

MAC bowls
#1 in Motor City vs. Big10 #7
#2 in GMAC vs. CUSA #2
International vs. Big East #5
+at-large slots in bowls like the Poinsetta and Independence

You are better off picking up a at-large slot in the Poinsetta than having tie-ins with some of those CUSA bowls.

:shhh:

There is no guarentee that the MAC will get an at-large every year. I would rather have a guarenteed bowl game then be at the mercy of 120+ teams in obtaining a bowl bid.

Remember, the only reason why NIU got a bowl was due to the 6-6 rule. Hasn't that rule been reversed?

The MAC grossed 3 mil in bowl payouts. Thats an average of 750,000 per bowl. That includes the San Diego bowl, which will not be available every year.

C-USA grossed 3,825,000. Thats an average of 7,650,000 per bowl.

C-USA's best bowl has a payout of 1.7 million the MAC's best bowl has a payout of 750,000.

Based on bowls available for 2008, C-USA can expect to gross 4,575,000 from their bowl games. The MAC can expect to gross 2,250,000.

Keep your "research" coming.

Airport KC Wrote:The MAC earned about as much total money from Bowls as CUSA did in 2006.

Airport KC Wrote:CUSA has a slightly better bowl set-up........not enough to make a serious difference.

Jack Burns Wrote:The MAC grossed 3 mil in bowl payouts. Thats an average of 750,000 per bowl. That includes the San Diego bowl, which will not be available every year.

C-USA grossed 3,825,000. Thats an average of 765,000 per bowl.

Read what I've said in my two earlier posts......now read what you've said in your response.

765k per bowl compared to 750k per bowl is a negligible difference any way you look at it.

Sure, the incremental isn't a big difference.

But when you multiply those numbers by the number of bowls a conference has it IS a big difference.

Would you rather 2,250,000 or 4,459,0000?

Please, it is simple math.

Is God dead? Why won't he answer that sweet child's prayers? People need to get over their hatred.

Jack Burns Wrote:Sure, the incremental isn't a big difference.

But when you multiply those numbers by the number of bowls a conference has it IS a big difference.

Would you rather 2,250,000 or 4,459,0000?

Please, it is simple math.

Even if the difference is lets say 2 mil.....in the grand scheme of things the difference is marginal comapred to Big 10 or SEC bowl revenues.

The NFL draft is also saying the differences between leagues is marginal.....with the MAC and CUSA having about the same amount in the draft.

Basketball is a different story, with CUSA having light years more success than the MAC there and much more potential.

Jack Burns Wrote:I didn't see NDSU in the 1-AA playoffs.

NDSU was not eligible for the 1-AA playoffs last year. They almost beat Minnesota last year. They would have done well in both the MAC and C-USA.

Quote:Enjoy watching more MAC players go into the 2007 NFL Draft than CUSA.

Nice call.

They both had 8.

Jack Burns Wrote:Remember, the only reason why NIU got a bowl was due to the 6-6 rule. Hasn't that rule been reversed?

No, because then all those underserving 6-6 BCS teams wouldn't be able to go bowling.

Jack Burns Wrote:The MAC grossed 3 mil in bowl payouts. Thats an average of 750,000 per bowl. That includes the San Diego bowl, which will not be available every year.

C-USA grossed 3,825,000. Thats an average of 7,650,000 per bowl.

C-USA's best bowl has a payout of 1.7 million the MAC's best bowl has a payout of 750,000.

Based on bowls available for 2008, C-USA can expect to gross 4,575,000 from their bowl games. The MAC can expect to gross 2,250,000.

No one is grossing anything. Nobody makes money on $750k payout bowl games. The only team in CUSA that is making any money is the one that goes to the Liberty Bowl. The Liberty Bowl has to pay that much if it wants to have that SEC tie-in

Also, you mention how CUSA has a highest bowl payout of 1.7 million, but CUSA also has the lowest bowl payout in the New Orleans bowl.

Jack Burns Wrote:

Quote:Enjoy watching more MAC players go into the 2007 NFL Draft than CUSA.

Nice call.

They both had 8.

The MAC had more first day picks.

"Snoopy, you confuse the meaning of gross and net. I know nobody makes $ on those bowls. Thats why I used gross rather than net. I am not sure what you are trying to say when you mentioned this.

As I said before, the average bowl payout for C-USA 765,000. I am not sure what you point about C-USA having the lowest paying bowl has to do with anything if C-USA averages $765,000 per bowl game.

Does the MAC win anything for having the most 1st day pick? Better yet, do they get another bowl for having the more 1st round picks?

Let me check........

No.

does anyone really care about this???? and yeah where is GOD??? That kid is still prayin for this to end. hahahahahahaha.

MAC has built a solid reputation on draft day in the past. The QB's that once played in the MAC gave the conference a lifetime of credibility. CMU put 3 guys in NFL this weekend. That compares very well against many BCS programs.

MAC has some QB's on rise and I'm sure NFL scouts are watching.