If he is up to 6'3" and 240, is he a potential DT. We seem to take safeties and make them Linebackers. Linebackers and make the DE and DE and make them DTs.

Examples
English LB in HS then DE
Rusch DE now DT
Tranchitella SS now LB.

HuskiesRule73 Wrote:Bench Press is least importnat of measurables when recruiting HS players. It is all about movement ......motor.....feet.......speed..... athletic ability.....jumps...

Agreed. Even though me and HMM can bench more than him, I'm sure Hopkins would knock the crap out of us and chug the entire contents of HMM's mega mug before we even hit the ground.

epasnoopy Wrote:

HuskiesRule73 Wrote:

gcd Wrote:both Hopkins and Adam Kiel OL 6-7, 270 made the St Louis super 30 recruits

GCD>>. Is Edmonds still a possible? Or a Cardinal?

If Edmonds is as good as people say he is then he won't come here to be a backup. We already have a lot of good RB's on scholarship. Edmonds can go to Ball State and play as a true freshman if he is good. Ball State needs a running game badly.

I was hoping we would offer one of these two guys if we added any more RB's.

Thomas Merriweather (now a Miami verbal)
http://www.chicagosports.rivals.com/view...60&Sport=1
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=172&p=8&c=1&nid=2421082

William Anderson
http://www.chicagosports.rivals.com/view...53&Sport=1
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=2431188

Edmonds could play as a true freshman here too. I'd be shocked if Clanton doesn't start, but after that there is alot of ?

epasnoopy Wrote:

HuskiesRule73 Wrote:

gcd Wrote:both Hopkins and Adam Kiel OL 6-7, 270 made the St Louis super 30 recruits

GCD>>. Is Edmonds still a possible? Or a Cardinal?

If Edmonds is as good as people say he is then he won't come here to be a backup. We already have a lot of good RB's on scholarship. Edmonds can go to Ball State and play as a true freshman if he is good. Ball State needs a running game badly.

I was hoping we would offer one of these two guys if we added any more RB's.

Thomas Merriweather (now a Miami verbal)
http://www.chicagosports.rivals.com/view...60&Sport=1
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=172&p=8&c=1&nid=2421082

William Anderson
http://www.chicagosports.rivals.com/view...53&Sport=1
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=2431188

Let me just say this.........if he went to Toledo we would be hard pressed not to play him in 2007. Jalen Parmele is our starter and DaJuane Collins is the #2 guy, but he beats out Richard Davis and the freshmen from last year that didn't play. I have no reason to believe that he would not see playing time anywhere in the MAC if you put him on any MAC school's team.

NIURedBlack Wrote:

HuskiesRule73 Wrote:Bench Press is least importnat of measurables when recruiting HS players. It is all about movement ......motor.....feet.......speed..... athletic ability.....jumps...

Agreed. Even though me and HMM can bench more than him, I'm sure Hopkins would knock the crap out of us and chug the entire contents of HMM's mega mug before we even hit the ground.

lmfao

I refuse to believe that guy can only do 185 lbs nine times. That has to be a mis-print or there's a different weight.

epasnoopy Wrote:If Edmonds is as good as people say he is then he won't come here to be a backup.

What makes you think he's just be a backup?

dynovinyl Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If Edmonds is as good as people say he is then he won't come here to be a backup.

What makes you think he's just be a backup?

Garrett Wolfe was a backup his sophomore year (which means he had already been at NIU for 2 years) before he only got to take the starting job because AJ Harris got injured. So what makes anyone believe that we would have a true freshman win and be our starting RB? Garrett Wolfe will most likely go down as the best RB at NIU ever, i can't see Edmonds ever being as good as him especially as a true freshman. Our coaching staff hardly ever demotes a starter to backup and a backup to a starter. For example, Marcus Perez was the #2 WR all year this year despite his unproductive play. I could have used the most obvious player, Phil Horvath, as an example as well. The only way you become a starter at NIU is based on seniority or someone gets injured. We have a lot of RB's that will hold seniority over Edmonds.

epasnoopy Wrote:

dynovinyl Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If Edmonds is as good as people say he is then he won't come here to be a backup.

What makes you think he's just be a backup?

Garrett Wolfe was a backup his sophomore year before he only got to taking the starting job because AJ Harris got injured. So what makes anyone believe that we would have a true freshman be our starting RB? Garrett Wolfe will most likely go down as the best RB at NIU ever, i can't see Edmonds ever being as good as him especially as a true freshman. Our coaching staff hardly ever demotes a starter to backup and a backup to a starter. For example, Marcus Perez was the #2 WR all year this year despite his unproductive play. I could have used the most obvious player, Phil Horvath, as an example as well.

First of all, GW was going to be the Burner's backup as a freshman if it wasn't for grades (not AJ Harris).
2nd of all, no running backs on the roster are better then AJ was thought to be.
3rd of all, what does Wolfe have to do with anything? Neither he or AJ is on the roster.
4th of all, nobody stepped up and took MPZ's job. The WR got rotated alot during the games, even though MPZ started, he wasnt' always on the field as the #2. I saw plenty of times were Simon or Carter were on the field instead of him. The fact of the matter is, nobody stepped up and took his job.
5th, do we know Nicholson was better then Horvath? I don't know. He didn't preform that much better (if any) then Horvath did.

epasnoopy Wrote:

dynovinyl Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If Edmonds is as good as people say he is then he won't come here to be a backup.

What makes you think he's just be a backup?

Garrett Wolfe was a backup his sophomore year (which means he had already been at NIU for 2 years) before he only got to take the starting job because AJ Harris got injured. So what makes anyone believe that we would have a true freshman be our starting RB? Garrett Wolfe will most likely go down as the best RB at NIU ever, i can't see Edmonds ever being as good as him especially as a true freshman. Our coaching staff hardly ever demotes a starter to backup and a backup to a starter. For example, Marcus Perez was the #2 WR all year this year despite his unproductive play. I could have used the most obvious player, Phil Horvath, as an example as well.

Going into 2003, who was supposed to be the number 1 backup to Mike Turner? Wolfe. Then the credit hour issue kept him off the field for another year. Harris moves ahead of him. Going into 2004, Novak talks about how special Wolfe is and we need to find different ways to get him the ball. Wolfe runs the number 2 RB spot and runs plays out of the slot (a la Reggie Bush). In fact, before he took over for Harris at halftime of our fourth game that year, Garrett Wolfe was already our leading scorer. In hind-sight, Novak admits he worried that Wolfe couldnot handle the beating 25+ carries would bring. Had Wolfe not been so tough, that might have proven out sooner.

All that said, you'll probably not really read what I'm writing becuase you seem to buy into that myth that guys can't move up the depth chart under Novak.

7 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:

dynovinyl Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If Edmonds is as good as people say he is then he won't come here to be a backup.

What makes you think he's just be a backup?

Garrett Wolfe was a backup his sophomore year before he only got to taking the starting job because AJ Harris got injured. So what makes anyone believe that we would have a true freshman be our starting RB? Garrett Wolfe will most likely go down as the best RB at NIU ever, i can't see Edmonds ever being as good as him especially as a true freshman. Our coaching staff hardly ever demotes a starter to backup and a backup to a starter. For example, Marcus Perez was the #2 WR all year this year despite his unproductive play. I could have used the most obvious player, Phil Horvath, as an example as well.

First of all, GW was going to be the Burner's backup as a freshman if it wasn't for grades (not AJ Harris).
2nd of all, no running backs on the roster are better then AJ was thought to be.
3rd of all, what does Wolfe have to do with anything? Neither he or AJ is on the roster.
4th of all, nobody stepped up and took MPZ's job. The WR got rotated alot during the games, even though MPZ started, he wasnt' always on the field as the #2. I saw plenty of times were Simon or Carter were on the field instead of him. The fact of the matter is, nobody stepped up and took his job.
5th, do we know Nicholson was better then Horvath? I don't know. He didn't preform that much better (if any) then Horvath did.

I'm not going to bother with you about Edmonds because you purposely like to argue with me no matter what.

Nobody took MPZ's job because no one was allowed to. Only reason you may have seen Simon or Carter played the #2 WR is because Perez was having injury issues all year long so we took him out of the games a lot and limited him. Another reason is because Simon could convert and catch better, so using him on 3rd downs was a smart thing to do.

epasnoopy Wrote:I'm not going to bother with you about Edmonds because you purposely like to argue with me no matter what.

lmfao You two should get married.

dynovinyl Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:

dynovinyl Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If Edmonds is as good as people say he is then he won't come here to be a backup.

What makes you think he's just be a backup?

Garrett Wolfe was a backup his sophomore year (which means he had already been at NIU for 2 years) before he only got to take the starting job because AJ Harris got injured. So what makes anyone believe that we would have a true freshman be our starting RB? Garrett Wolfe will most likely go down as the best RB at NIU ever, i can't see Edmonds ever being as good as him especially as a true freshman. Our coaching staff hardly ever demotes a starter to backup and a backup to a starter. For example, Marcus Perez was the #2 WR all year this year despite his unproductive play. I could have used the most obvious player, Phil Horvath, as an example as well.

All that said, you'll probably not really read what I'm writing becuase you seem to buy into that myth that guys can't move up the depth chart under Novak.

Give me some good examples of players who were backups and took the starting job sometime during a season not because of an injury?

Garrett Wolfe became a starter because AJ Harris got injured.
Dan Nicholson became a starter twice only after Phil Horvath got injured twice.
Simon and Carter played the #2 spot sometimes because Perez had injury issues all year long.
Doug Free was injured and getting beat all year long but because of the fact that he was a great player before he was injured a backup couldn't even become the starter.
Melvin Rice didn't get to play over the Hansbro twins until they got injured.

Three of these are examples of this year alone. Name me one instance this year where someone took someone else's starting job this season because they were actually better than the other player.

epasnoopy Wrote:

7 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:

dynovinyl Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If Edmonds is as good as people say he is then he won't come here to be a backup.

What makes you think he's just be a backup?

Garrett Wolfe was a backup his sophomore year before he only got to taking the starting job because AJ Harris got injured. So what makes anyone believe that we would have a true freshman be our starting RB? Garrett Wolfe will most likely go down as the best RB at NIU ever, i can't see Edmonds ever being as good as him especially as a true freshman. Our coaching staff hardly ever demotes a starter to backup and a backup to a starter. For example, Marcus Perez was the #2 WR all year this year despite his unproductive play. I could have used the most obvious player, Phil Horvath, as an example as well.

First of all, GW was going to be the Burner's backup as a freshman if it wasn't for grades (not AJ Harris).
2nd of all, no running backs on the roster are better then AJ was thought to be.
3rd of all, what does Wolfe have to do with anything? Neither he or AJ is on the roster.
4th of all, nobody stepped up and took MPZ's job. The WR got rotated alot during the games, even though MPZ started, he wasnt' always on the field as the #2. I saw plenty of times were Simon or Carter were on the field instead of him. The fact of the matter is, nobody stepped up and took his job.
5th, do we know Nicholson was better then Horvath? I don't know. He didn't preform that much better (if any) then Horvath did.

I'm not going to bother with you about Edmonds because you purposely like to argue with me no matter what.

Nobody took MPZ's job because no one was allowed to. Only reason you may have seen Simon or Carter played the #2 WR is because Perez was having injury issues all year long so we took him out of the games a lot and limited him. Another reason is because Simon could convert and catch better, so using him on 3rd downs was a smart thing to do.

What an ignorant comment. They had plenty of chances too, and nobody stepped up and took it. What do you mean they weren't allowed too?

Was Cory Hanson not allowed to take David Bryant's job?
Was Bradley Pruitt not allowed to take Mark Reiter's job?
Was Mark Reiter not allowed to take his job back from Bradley Pruitt?
Was Jason Oneybuago not allowed to take Matt Rogers job?
Was Matt Rogers not allowed to John Brost's job?

This notion that Novak refuses to replace players because of one crappy QB is insane. And again, do we know Nicholson is better then Horvath? No we do not.

Thanks for responding for me, 7. To add to that there are other examples throughout Novak's tenure here, but everyone seems to forget them and continues believing what they want to believe (see my Errol Morris quote below.

Your argument also brings up the notion that younger guys can't beat out older guys, which isn't true. Even though he wasn't a starter to start 2004, Wolfe was second on the depth chart ahead of upper classmen. There were older OL with experience available when Brost got the call in 2005 and Adamski and Ony this year. Those are just a few examples.

armour248 Wrote:i dont know much about the typical number of bench reps for a DE prospect but isn't 8 somewhat low?

Claude Davis who was orginally a commit to South Florida and is now verballed to Toledo is just as big as John Hopkins. According to Davis' Rivals profile he only did 6 bench reps.

http://usf.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?s..._key=54314