Papa Lou BSU Wrote:The 8,325 is not debatable.

Even if it is not debatable 8,325 is terrible attendance.

Actually, this thread was kind of "wrong-headed" in the first place to start......after all, if certain players don't make the "grade" academically, they should be named ineligible so in a way Marshall should be commended for doing the right thing here. OTOH, it probably wasn't the "call" of the athletic department here since it's an academic issue, so you can really give any extra credit to Coach P and his staff.

Quote:Even if it is not debatable 8,325 is terrible attendance.

No one at BSU would ever argue it was anything but terrible. But the point of my post was to demonstrate the rather distant relationship most Herd fans have with actual, you know, facts.

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:

Quote:Even if it is not debatable 8,325 is terrible attendance.

No one at BSU would ever argue it was anything but terrible. But the point of my post was to demonstrate the rather distant relationship most Herd fans have with actual, you know, facts.

Facts like your "Grassy Knoll" post above?

GreenBison Wrote:

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:The 8,325 is not debatable. The letter TJRocket posted has been well debunked (and was obliterated here previously, too) as the product of a bitter track athlete who was upset his program was being shut down. He has been told to offer up undoctored photo evidence to prove his case... he has refused to do so. Meanwhile, the athletic department is in posession of photos taken by several other fans that day that prove his claims are bull****. Also, the attendance numbers at Ball State have been audited and verified.

If BSU was going to artificially inflate their attendance numbers, don't you think they'd inflate them for that game to 10K or so, so our attendance average would have been above 15,000 per game? The fact that it wasn't tells you that that the athletic department is telling the truth and playing by the rules, and the kid has an ax to grind.

As for the claims about the Herd-OU game, they were on your own Herd boards... go look for 'em, unless they got deleted for straying from the party line. I'm not going to bother linking to them, since I don't link to boards that allow their members to post death threats against opposing fans without taking action against the offending poster, as the Sheltered Workshop did last week...

ahhh.... the "grassy knoll" post. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

again, thanks for quoting the "ignored one".

However through those quotes I was able to see that he does actively visit Marshall boards. I can honestly say I have never visited a BSU board in my entire internet bbs existence. GreenBison I think your claims of obsession are right on the money. I have visited Hawktalk and a couple rocket boards prior to us playing them, but I don't frequent or read them any other time. It will be at least 5 years after we are gone before we quit seeing regular Marshall updates on here. These guys can't stand not to know what is going on with us. Perhaps stalking laws will be updated to reflect this in the future.

MUther,

This thing gives me the willies:

lol, it only shows the viewer it's own info. In other words I can't see or track your info and even in your quote of my sig, only mine shows up. I thought it was pretty cool, though. As a mod I was hoping to discourage some behavioral problems, hehe.

Ball State University faces a questionable future as a Division-IA football team. The NCAA recently announced a minimum-average attendance requirement of 15,000 for all IA football programs. Ball State has failed to reach that mark the last two years.

The ruling has created a flurry of activity in the Department of Intercollegiate Athletics to reach the new benchmark by the end of the year.

"The NCAA requirement is 15,000 per game, so we have a need to get 75,000 people to attend football this year. We are confident we will do that," Athletic Director Bubba Cuttingham said. "The first thing we have done is put in the lights, which I think will greatly enhance student attendance. Secondly is we've hired a person who's job is primarily to promote football and get groups and build interest to ensure that we do get 75,000."

On Associate Athletic Director Matt Wolfert's door, the man who was hired to bring Ball State to 15,000, there is a news clipping from the USA Today. Highlighted are the passages in the article that list Ball State as being under 15,000 in football attendance.

"Bubba has hired me to come in here and really put a concerted effort into the ticket selling process," he said. "More importantly, what we're going to get into is filling the stadium up and getting 15,000-minimum attendance off the list. My goal is that next year when they write the article in USA Today that they don't have Ball State on it."

According to the NCAA's Web site, Ball State averaged 12,339 in attendance over six games last season, making it among the six lowest schools in Division IA football, but Ball State wasn't alone at the bottom of the list. Out of the 117 IA schools, 11 did not meet an attendance average of 15,000 last year. Six of the universities came from the Mid-Atlantic Conference.

"The MAC would have to make a determination of whether or not they would keep their requirements to be a IA program in order to be in the MAC, that is a requirement right now in the MAC," Cuttingham said. "They are going to have to determine if that will remain a factor. Or could you be a non-IA and be in the MAC? Could you be a I-AA or a I-AAA?


Division I-AA, where Ball State would likely end up if it failed to make the requirement, contains smaller schools with lower profile programs. In fact, only 11 I-AA programs had attendance over 15,000, and chances for exposure on television, as well as scheduling high-profile opponents, is diminished

<a href='http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=uwire-ncaasetsminimumaverageatte&prov=uwire&type=lgns' target='_blank'>http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=uw...uwire&type=lgns</a>

DrTorch Wrote:

HuskieDan Wrote:<a href='http://www.ncaa.org/releases/infractions/2001/2001122101in.htm' target='_blank'>Past findings....</a>

Quote:This case involved impermissible employment of academic nonqualifiers at rates four times the prevailing wage, academic fraud and a lack of institutional control.

You'll forgive us if we're skeptical about Marshall's academic record. :wave:

Good thing that "integrity" stuff hasn't made its way from LA to WV

Quote:Nicholls State fires football coach over alleged academic fraud


August 15, 2004
THIBODAUX, La. (AP) -- Nicholls State football coach Daryl Daye was fired Sunday over accusations of academic fraud involving players and an assistant coach.

Daye was not implicated in the alleged fraud, but an investigation found he failed to ``maintain proper controls'' of the assistant, the Southland Conference school said.

``The assistant coach who committed the fraud and the head coach who personally selected the assistant coach ... must be accountable in this situation,'' athletic director Rob Bernardi said.

Situations may vary.

Handing out a study guide is something that is practiced form coast to coast and yet some people are calling for people heads. :rolleyes:

Herd Fan 4-Life Wrote:Six of the universities came from the Mid-Atlantic Conference.

Mid-Atlantic??? Did UCF's old coach write this?

And the AD's name is Cunningham, not Cuttingham. :rolleyes:

MikeSpicer Wrote:And the AD's name is Cunningham, not Cuttingham. :rolleyes:

Sheesh..... everyone knows that!