Was that the same game where Claudia went after Koslov the entire game but would quickly skate away if anyone bigger than me got within 20 feet of him?

TJRocket Wrote:

Photodan Wrote:

TJRocket Wrote:Gawd, I hate Red Wing country. :chair:

Speaking of dirty hits, how bout McCarty laying out poor ol Claude Lemieux?  Defend that one Red Wing fans.

Let me take this one.

Simple. Claude "Turtle" Lemieux deserved it.

I believe the event you're referring to was retribution for a premeditated dirty hit that left Kris Draper bloody and with a broken jaw.

The hit that Claude laid on Kris was clean, if Draper was anywhere near a decent skater he would have never gotten as messed up as he did. Btw, did he actually break his jaw? I thought he just recieved some stitch work on that ugly mug of his.

The hit Claude laid on Draper was in the playoffs, the "retribution" happened the following season in a regualr season matchup at the Joe. McCarty attacked Claude from behind when Claude was skating back to the bench after the play was stopped. That makes McCarty a GUTLESS coward, if he was so hell bent on getting revenge for his lil buddy Draper, why didn't he make his intentions known beforehand? He could have challenged Claude at the opening faceoff?

Anyways, that was a crazy game, and talking about all that crap really gots me hurting for some NHL.

Incorrect.

It was Draper who was heading off to the bench. In fact the ledge that runs along the bench is what Turtle slammed Draper's head down on.

McCarty went after Turtle March 26, 1997 during what is called "The Brawl in Hockeytown." Turtle was not headed back to the bench. He stood there as McCarty skated up to him. (and turtled as soon as he got there) This did NOT take Turtle by surprise.

Stop making crap up to solidify your ridiculous assertions.

-Dan

Photodan Wrote:McCarty went after Turtle March 26, 1997 during what is called "The Brawl in Hockeytown." Turtle was not headed back to the bench. He stood there as McCarty skated up to him. (and turtled as soon as he got there) This did NOT take Turtle by surprise.

Stop making crap up to solidify your ridiculous assertions.

-Dan

I didn't make anything up Dan, I own a copy of the game, maybe you can borrow it sometime and educate yourself on what really happened, instead of pretending like you know what happened.

The whole "incident" started out with Forsberg and Larionov getting into a fight on Wings end of the rink. All of the other players on the ice just stood around for a moment or two, and when it appeared the refs were starting to seperate Forsberg and Larionov, Lemieux started to skate back to the bench with his eyes looking down on the ice in front of his skates. Then without provocation, McCarty sucker-punched Lemieux from behind sending him face first to the ice, he never had a chance to fight him face to face. Patrick Roy saw what McCarty was and doing and raced out(from his own net) to help his teammate, before he could reach McCarty and Lemieux, Roy got mauled by Shanahan. Then Vernon came out(of his net) and started throwing punches with Roy.

The fact of the matter is that the hit that Claude laid on Draper in the playoffs was done in the heat of the moment in an intense playoff game. McCarty's attack on Claude was an opportunity for a gutless worm to take his frustrations out on one of the players who was responsible for knocking the Wings out of the playoffs the year before.

As for calling Claude a "turtle", you do know who started using the term "turtle" to describe players right? I never once heard that person call Claude a turtle, thats something that you clueless Dead Wing fans do.

Man, that must be some tape if it has something no one else has ever seen on it. :eek:

Like Dan said, I must be making it all up. :rolleyes:

I approach this Cheney thing from an executive viewpoint. Although I am semi-retired, I have held executive positions in 3 prior careers. If one of my subordinate executives did what Cheney did I would have summarily fired him, or let him resign voluntarily. The executive in this case is the Athletic Director, and certainly the President of Temple.

This is a clear cut violation of ethics, good sportsmanship, and reflects the mean side of Cheney that he has demonstrated on previous occasions. As a teaching institution, this has no place for those in responsible positions to guide the young and serve as a role model. I see this, once again, as a growing American weakness - - - the ability to be held accountable for reprehensible actions.

A friend of mine who posts over on CFN message board refers to this as POV (pussification of America). This is yet another example of that concept!!

Agree 100%. There is, or should be, no place for that kind of nonsense in college sports. It happens as a matter of fact, if not policy, in the pro ranks, but college is supposed to be about something more than just winning.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Temple use this as the excuse to toss Chaney and advance their case for admission to the MAC for all sports.

Gatorama Wrote:I approach this Cheney thing from an executive viewpoint. Although I am semi-retired, I have held executive positions in 3 prior careers. If one of my subordinate executives did what Cheney did I would have summarily fired him, or let him resign voluntarily. The executive in this case is the Athletic Director, and certainly the President of Temple.

This is a clear cut violation of ethics, good sportsmanship, and reflects the mean side of Cheney that he has demonstrated on previous occasions. As a teaching institution, this has no place for those in responsible positions to guide the young and serve as a role model. I see this, once again, as a growing American weakness - - - the ability to be held accountable for reprehensible actions.

A friend of mine who posts over on CFN message board refers to this as POV (pussification of America). This is yet another example of that concept!!

Gatorama:

Exactly. If you work as an executive for any length of time, you're bound to end up with an employee with a long tenure and a number of great accomplishments during that time. You must be wary of the Halo Effect in these cases and not let the past be used to excuse such behavior.

I agree that, out of respect, you allow the employee the option of gracefully announcing his/her retirement. If they decline, however, you must dismiss them. Otherwise, you have set a dangerous precedent.