MillenniumFALCON Wrote:

TJRocket Wrote:

HuskieDan Wrote:BTW - I moved this thread to the smack board, as it was initially posted on the main MAC board.  You're welcome.  

:crying: So are you gonna move all threads that are smack talk material? Or just the ones that hurt your feelings? :rolleyes:

You're a dick. Crybabies like you make me sick. Be a man about it and STFU.

Warmest Regards,
MF

Holy geez! MFer? Does this mean were not friends anymore? An your opinion used to mean soooo much to me. :rolleyes:

Btw, I may be a dick... but just remember that crappy lil feeling you had in your tummy when the Rockets schooled your girls at the Glass bowl 49 - 41. I felt one billion times better than you. :wave: I guess my point is... im a dick.

MillenniumFALCON Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

HuskieDan Wrote:I've tried to talk intelligently about those UT losses and what they mean in the grand scheme of the MAC perception (and have even included NIU's loss to WIU in '02), but tend to be shouted down by UT fans when I do, and am then accused of never winning anything so my opinion is not valid. 

BTW - I moved this thread to the smack board, as it was initially posted on the main MAC board.  You're welcome.  

And I have tried to intelligently talk about what the perception is of most people outside of our area, and that surprisingly most people remember the MAC school's big wins moreso than the losses...........yet it has been met with comments like you're crazy, you're wrong, I know one guy that thinks it is funny that Toledo lost games badly, and so forth.

I have tried to explain that I hear the same things about the top teams in the MAC, not just Toledo. People remember the big wins and don't care so much about the big losses. Hell, look at some big programs and see how they lose games big sometime too and that doesn't change the opinion of most people on that program.


I still think you are a closet BG fan though.

Ten-fifteen years ago, Miami had a reputation as a giant-killer. They couldn't win the MAC, though. During that time I think the reputation of Miami was greater than any MAC team until marshall *spit* came along. They would beat one good OOC team a year. BG, for example, only had one victory over a ranked opponent at that time. Miami had several.

BG went undefeated in the MAC 2+ years, Miami has had some victories over (now) BCS conference teams. Miami had a better and bigger national reputation.

Now our entire conference (OK - the top end) has a reputation as being a tough matchup. It is because of OOC wins. without them, we have one team a year either getting ranked or in the others getting votes column. We had two ranked MAC teams meet in a game. does that happen without NIU and BG's OOC wins?

Toledo getting embarrassed OOC is bad for all of us. Thanks for Pittsburgh, now try not to let mid level BCS teams run 63 on your asses, or lose another MCB. Our conference "champion" got its ****** handed to them multiple times. Thanks for helping our perception.
:rolleyes:

I understand what you are saying MF, but as long as a school like Toledo continues to beat teams like Pittsburgh a bad loss is not going to hurt the MAC as bad as some MAC fans think. Despite getting blown out by BC, UCONN, Minnesota, and Kansas in the last 3 years.........when I talk to outsiders they know Toledo from wins over Pittsburgh and Penn State. They don't even think much of the big losses.


Besides, that is not my point here. My point is that conference mates shouldn't be harder on each other than outside fans are. We talk about not getting respect from the national media and fans from BCS conferences, but we seem to get more respect from them than we (as MAC fans in general) give to ourselves.

I think a lot of it has to do with the whole Marshall vs the MAC fight that has gone on so long, but we are too bitter towards are fellow conference mates on here. We need to be helping the conference image out and encouraging other conference members, not putting them down for what they did wrong.

MillenniumFALCON Wrote:Toledo getting embarrassed OOC is bad for all of us. Thanks for Pittsburgh, now try not to let mid level BCS teams run 63 on your asses, or lose another MCB. Our conference "champion" got its ****** handed to them multiple times. Thanks for helping our perception.
:rolleyes:

You tell me who outside of a MAC fan has said that? I have not heard anything like that from anyone outside of the MAC. And that is my point. MAC fans are blowing things way out of proportion and not paying attention to what others are actually saying.


And the way you are talking is that you are appalled at Toledo and something like that would never happen at your own school. Well let's remind you that these things happen......it is just the way things are. In 1985 BG won the MAC title, but then got blown out by Fresno State in the Cal Bowl 51-7.

HuskieDan Wrote:If UT fans are so angelic, then perhaps you should be asking why a UT poster is baiting people.  :rolleyes:

This thread appears to have drawn a number of master baiters, and I applaud Dan's hygenic decision to isolate it.

(Yo, Tuba Jake. Long time, no see.)

TJRocket Wrote:

HuskieDan Wrote:

TJRocket Wrote:

HuskieDan Wrote:BTW - I moved this thread to the smack board, as it was initially posted on the main MAC board.  You're welcome.  

:crying: So are you gonna move all threads that are smack talk material? Or just the ones that hurt your feelings? :rolleyes:

Just the ones that'll piss you off if moved. :wave:

Sorry Dan, no one over here is pissed off. :wave:
Remember, its your team that has played the b!tch role to the Rockets for the past 15 years.

So I take it that you now agree with my decision.

rocketfootball Wrote:

MillenniumFALCON Wrote:Toledo getting embarrassed OOC is bad for all of us.  Thanks for Pittsburgh, now try not to let mid level BCS teams run 63 on your asses, or lose another MCB.  Our conference "champion" got its ****** handed to them multiple times.  Thanks for helping our perception.
:rolleyes:

You tell me who outside of a MAC fan has said that? I have not heard anything like that from anyone outside of the MAC. And that is my point. MAC fans are blowing things way out of proportion and not paying attention to what others are actually saying.


And the way you are talking is that you are appalled at Toledo and something like that would never happen at your own school. Well let's remind you that these things happen......it is just the way things are. In 1985 BG won the MAC title, but then got blown out by Fresno State in the Cal Bowl 51-7.

Right - which is why we have to battle arrogant fans who always and only play the "easy schedule" card whenever a MAC vs BCS debate crops up. Remember - we beat fresno in 1991.

It HAS been brought up. I actually talk about college football with lots of idio...I mean Big Ten 'fans.'

Marshall cheating was a big disgrace to the MAC because we had always taken pride in having clean programs. Toledo getting friggin blown out is also an embarrassment, just like if BG got blown out.

The only other time I was embarrassed about the MAC (other than lopsided scores and friggin mug cheating) was the year brad maynard was named MVP. That was 1 BM (before marshall) and the conference was at its weakest point I can remember.

I want Toledo to win OOC. Every game. It makes the MAC look good. I remember the UT - Pittsburgh game - I was pumped. But when you lose by more than 40 points (Toledo, Akron, Kent...whatever MAC team loses) it looks bad. When Miami hung the one regular season loss on the Big Ten Champs in 1995(right?) that was a huge deal. When our conference champ gets BLOWN OUT by middle tier BCS teams, it is really bad for the MAC.

This is the stuff that the pundits latch on to. Why do you think BG 2004 had a better reputation than Toledo even though we lost??? Why did we get a better bowl game?

DevilGrad Wrote:

HuskieDan Wrote:If UT fans are so angelic, then perhaps you should be asking why a UT poster is baiting people.  :rolleyes:

This thread appears to have drawn a number of master baiters, and I applaud Dan's hygenic decision to isolate it.

(Yo, Tuba Jake. Long time, no see.)

Hi DG - long time, no master-baiting. :angel:

rocketfootball Wrote:I understand what you are saying MF, but as long as a school like Toledo continues to beat teams like Pittsburgh a bad loss is not going to hurt the MAC as bad as some MAC fans think. Despite getting blown out by BC, UCONN, Minnesota, and Kansas in the last 3 years.........when I talk to outsiders they know Toledo from wins over Pittsburgh and Penn State. They don't even think much of the big losses.


Besides, that is not my point here. My point is that conference mates shouldn't be harder on each other than outside fans are. We talk about not getting respect from the national media and fans from BCS conferences, but we seem to get more respect from them than we (as MAC fans in general) give to ourselves.

I think a lot of it has to do with the whole Marshall vs the MAC fight that has gone on so long, but we are too bitter towards are fellow conference mates on here. We need to be helping the conference image out and encouraging other conference members, not putting them down for what they did wrong.

RF - about 10 years ago, when I brought up BG or the MAC, people would always bring up the huge losses. BCS teams would RUTS against MAC teams all the time. I just don't want to lose that.

Besides how the F*CK did you guys lose that bad to those two teams? Hell, Oklahoma wasn't that bad for us.

I don't think that what we say here has any effect on our national perception. (BTW - I SWEAR I remember Trev Alberts brought up Toledo's losses to denegrate the MAC...I am not making this stuff up...I am looking for the quote.)

I am anxious to see this board without all the Marshall fans and Knight Time. If you want to talk about being supportive, I will go for it whole-heartedly. When I moderated the older version of this board, it was fun. (until two posters just would not let certain things go; every thread turned into "Marshall Cheats!" - I had to ban them)

I would love to see this board turn into that humorous place again without Knight Time and the venom. I sure as hell will stop baiting the few Toledo a-hol...i mean fans if it will go both ways. (and I hope our annoying BG fans will do the same.)

And I make no apologies for anything ever said on the smack board. It is a smack board, I don't have to be nice

MillenniumFALCON Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:I understand what you are saying MF, but as long as a school like Toledo continues to beat teams like Pittsburgh a bad loss is not going to hurt the MAC as bad as some MAC fans think.  Despite getting blown out by BC, UCONN, Minnesota, and Kansas in the last 3 years.........when I talk to outsiders they know Toledo from wins over Pittsburgh and Penn State.  They don't even think much of the big losses.


Besides, that is not my point here.  My point is that conference mates shouldn't be harder on each other than outside fans are.  We talk about not getting respect from the national media and fans from BCS conferences, but we seem to get more respect from them than we (as MAC fans in general) give to ourselves.

I think a lot of it has to do with the whole Marshall vs the MAC fight that has gone on so long, but we are too bitter towards are fellow conference mates on here.  We need to be helping the conference image out and encouraging other conference members, not putting them down for what they did wrong.

RF - about 10 years ago, when I brought up BG or the MAC, people would always bring up the huge losses. BCS teams would RUTS against MAC teams all the time. I just don't want to lose that.

Besides how the F*CK did you guys lose that bad to those two teams? Hell, Oklahoma wasn't that bad for us.

I don't think that what we say here has any effect on our national perception. (BTW - I SWEAR I remember Trev Alberts brought up Toledo's losses to denegrate the MAC...I am not making this stuff up...I am looking for the quote.)

I am anxious to see this board without all the Marshall fans and Knight Time. If you want to talk about being supportive, I will go for it whole-heartedly. When I moderated the older version of this board, it was fun. (until two posters just would not let certain things go; every thread turned into "Marshall Cheats!" - I had to ban them)

I would love to see this board turn into that humorous place again without Knight Time and the venom. I sure as hell will stop baiting the few Toledo a-hol...i mean fans if it will go both ways. (and I hope our annoying BG fans will do the same.)

And I make no apologies for anything ever said on the smack board. It is a smack board, I don't have to be nice

There's really no excuse for losing like that. There were a lot of factors, but I know HD and a few others will say I am whining if I talk about them. Ahh, who cares about HD anyway! :)


It would have been nice to play Minny and Kansas with the team that played against BG in November. Scooter didn't play against those teams and would have made some sort of an impact. Chris Holmes was much more comfortable in replacing the injured Andrew Clarke at TE later in the season than he was at the start. Our freshman on defense had much more experience than they did in their first 2 games played.

The offense was clicking better down the stretch, and just was out of synch at the start of the season. Two freshman offensive lineman were starting with no experience at the start of the season and were much better after getting a few games under their belt. Jalen Parmele started playing some as a true freshman at running back about halfway through the season and that helped too. He didn't play in the first couple of games as he was still learning the offense.

Our defense did not blitz at all early in the season. They did blitz a little later in the season and the blitz had a lot to do with the few stops they got in games later in the season.

Our offensive coordinator kind of changed his style in the 4th or 5th game of the season and started playing more ball control and running the football. In those first couple of games we didn't run much and when we did the O-Line wasn't making holes.

About a week before the Minnesota game the team was rocked with the keg party scandal as two players were arrested and charged just a couple of days before the team left for Minnesota. That had to have some effect on the team.

I may actually be missing some things here too, but these all contributed to the way we started the season, which was very bad.

MillenniumFALCON Wrote:Why did we get a better bowl game?

No offense, but how is BG going to the GMAC a better bowl game?

First off, for all we know UCONN could have beat Memphis.


Second, Toledo and Miami were told the winner of the MACC would go to the Motor City Bowl. The loser would have gotten the Independence Bowl. Surely you don't think playing Iowa State in the Independence Bowl would have been worse than playing in the GMAC Bowl, do you?


Third, Toledo loves the idea of playing in the MCB. Travel costs are way down so it doesn't cost the athletic department much money. Our athletic office and University President would love to see that scenario for Toledo every year.......unless of course we could go to a BCS bowl game.

rocketfootball Wrote:

MillenniumFALCON Wrote:Why did we get a better bowl game?

No offense, but how is BG going to the GMAC a better bowl game?

First off, for all we know UCONN could have beat Memphis.


Second, Toledo and Miami were told the winner of the MACC would go to the Motor City Bowl. The loser would have gotten the Independence Bowl. Surely you don't think playing Iowa State in the Independence Bowl would have been worse than playing in the GMAC Bowl, do you?


Third, Toledo loves the idea of playing in the MCB. Travel costs are way down so it doesn't cost the athletic department much money. Our athletic office and University President would love to see that scenario for Toledo every year.......unless of course we could go to a BCS bowl game.

BG vs Memphis was a better, more interesting matchup.

Mobile is a heck of a city, and it provided for more of a true bowl week experience. They did a great job.

I went to the MCB in 2003. The facility was great, but it was just a football game.

I wouldn't want to go to the MCB every stinking year. And we even WON ours. :chair:

Maybe it is just the BCS hater in me, but DeAngelo Williams and Memphis vs Omar Jacobs and BG was the best matchup outside of U$C - OU and Louisville - Boise State. Michigan - Texas was a better matchup for most, but after OSU kicked the snot out of UM, it lost some luster personally.

The Indy bowl has a great history and would have been neat to go to. If I had to pick a bowl to go to last year, it would have been Independence Bowl (for the history of the event and the novelty of going there) the GMAC bowl (for the setting and their ability to put together great matchups) and then the MCB (we were there in 2003 (did I mention we WON?) and it doesn't quite have that "bowl game" atmosphere I like.)

rocketfootball Wrote:

MillenniumFALCON Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:I understand what you are saying MF, but as long as a school like Toledo continues to beat teams like Pittsburgh a bad loss is not going to hurt the MAC as bad as some MAC fans think.  Despite getting blown out by BC, UCONN, Minnesota, and Kansas in the last 3 years.........when I talk to outsiders they know Toledo from wins over Pittsburgh and Penn State.  They don't even think much of the big losses.


Besides, that is not my point here.  My point is that conference mates shouldn't be harder on each other than outside fans are.  We talk about not getting respect from the national media and fans from BCS conferences, but we seem to get more respect from them than we (as MAC fans in general) give to ourselves.

I think a lot of it has to do with the whole Marshall vs the MAC fight that has gone on so long, but we are too bitter towards are fellow conference mates on here.  We need to be helping the conference image out and encouraging other conference members, not putting them down for what they did wrong.

RF - about 10 years ago, when I brought up BG or the MAC, people would always bring up the huge losses. BCS teams would RUTS against MAC teams all the time. I just don't want to lose that.

Besides how the F*CK did you guys lose that bad to those two teams? Hell, Oklahoma wasn't that bad for us.

I don't think that what we say here has any effect on our national perception. (BTW - I SWEAR I remember Trev Alberts brought up Toledo's losses to denegrate the MAC...I am not making this stuff up...I am looking for the quote.)

I am anxious to see this board without all the Marshall fans and Knight Time. If you want to talk about being supportive, I will go for it whole-heartedly. When I moderated the older version of this board, it was fun. (until two posters just would not let certain things go; every thread turned into "Marshall Cheats!" - I had to ban them)

I would love to see this board turn into that humorous place again without Knight Time and the venom. I sure as hell will stop baiting the few Toledo a-hol...i mean fans if it will go both ways. (and I hope our annoying BG fans will do the same.)

And I make no apologies for anything ever said on the smack board. It is a smack board, I don't have to be nice

There's really no excuse for losing like that. There were a lot of factors, but I know HD and a few others will say I am whining if I talk about them. Ahh, who cares about HD anyway! :)


It would have been nice to play Minny and Kansas with the team that played against BG in November. Scooter didn't play against those teams and would have made some sort of an impact. Chris Holmes was much more comfortable in replacing the injured Andrew Clarke at TE later in the season than he was at the start. Our freshman on defense had much more experience than they did in their first 2 games played.

The offense was clicking better down the stretch, and just was out of synch at the start of the season. Two freshman offensive lineman were starting with no experience at the start of the season and were much better after getting a few games under their belt. Jalen Parmele started playing some as a true freshman at running back about halfway through the season and that helped too. He didn't play in the first couple of games as he was still learning the offense.

Our defense did not blitz at all early in the season. They did blitz a little later in the season and the blitz had a lot to do with the few stops they got in games later in the season.

Our offensive coordinator kind of changed his style in the 4th or 5th game of the season and started playing more ball control and running the football. In those first couple of games we didn't run much and when we did the O-Line wasn't making holes.

About a week before the Minnesota game the team was rocked with the keg party scandal as two players were arrested and charged just a couple of days before the team left for Minnesota. That had to have some effect on the team.

I may actually be missing some things here too, but these all contributed to the way we started the season, which was very bad.

Please, go ahead and explain the circumstances. It is puzzling how our champion can get smeared by a couple mid to low level BCS conference teams, and I don't like it because despite your anecdotal evidence, I've seen at least as much if not more talk about people using that sort of thing against the MAC.

But I'd like to hear the circumstances, so thank you for sharing. Now that you've spilled your guts about your team's mentality and lack of focus beginning the season due to off-the-field issues, perhaps you'll think twice the next time you scoff off my suggestions about NIU being severely affected emotionally by losing Wolfe two days before the big game. See, it's good that we share like this.

I'm not looking for UT apologies for losing games we, unfortunately, need to win to continue getting and gaining respect. I've just stated that those sorts of results injure the perception of the MAC. It's unfortunate that MAC kids have to fight to win games AND earn respect, but that is the situation.

HuskieDan Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

MillenniumFALCON Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:I understand what you are saying MF, but as long as a school like Toledo continues to beat teams like Pittsburgh a bad loss is not going to hurt the MAC as bad as some MAC fans think.  Despite getting blown out by BC, UCONN, Minnesota, and Kansas in the last 3 years.........when I talk to outsiders they know Toledo from wins over Pittsburgh and Penn State.  They don't even think much of the big losses.


Besides, that is not my point here.  My point is that conference mates shouldn't be harder on each other than outside fans are.  We talk about not getting respect from the national media and fans from BCS conferences, but we seem to get more respect from them than we (as MAC fans in general) give to ourselves.

I think a lot of it has to do with the whole Marshall vs the MAC fight that has gone on so long, but we are too bitter towards are fellow conference mates on here.  We need to be helping the conference image out and encouraging other conference members, not putting them down for what they did wrong.

RF - about 10 years ago, when I brought up BG or the MAC, people would always bring up the huge losses. BCS teams would RUTS against MAC teams all the time. I just don't want to lose that.

Besides how the F*CK did you guys lose that bad to those two teams? Hell, Oklahoma wasn't that bad for us.

I don't think that what we say here has any effect on our national perception. (BTW - I SWEAR I remember Trev Alberts brought up Toledo's losses to denegrate the MAC...I am not making this stuff up...I am looking for the quote.)

I am anxious to see this board without all the Marshall fans and Knight Time. If you want to talk about being supportive, I will go for it whole-heartedly. When I moderated the older version of this board, it was fun. (until two posters just would not let certain things go; every thread turned into "Marshall Cheats!" - I had to ban them)

I would love to see this board turn into that humorous place again without Knight Time and the venom. I sure as hell will stop baiting the few Toledo a-hol...i mean fans if it will go both ways. (and I hope our annoying BG fans will do the same.)

And I make no apologies for anything ever said on the smack board. It is a smack board, I don't have to be nice

There's really no excuse for losing like that. There were a lot of factors, but I know HD and a few others will say I am whining if I talk about them. Ahh, who cares about HD anyway! :)


It would have been nice to play Minny and Kansas with the team that played against BG in November. Scooter didn't play against those teams and would have made some sort of an impact. Chris Holmes was much more comfortable in replacing the injured Andrew Clarke at TE later in the season than he was at the start. Our freshman on defense had much more experience than they did in their first 2 games played.

The offense was clicking better down the stretch, and just was out of synch at the start of the season. Two freshman offensive lineman were starting with no experience at the start of the season and were much better after getting a few games under their belt. Jalen Parmele started playing some as a true freshman at running back about halfway through the season and that helped too. He didn't play in the first couple of games as he was still learning the offense.

Our defense did not blitz at all early in the season. They did blitz a little later in the season and the blitz had a lot to do with the few stops they got in games later in the season.

Our offensive coordinator kind of changed his style in the 4th or 5th game of the season and started playing more ball control and running the football. In those first couple of games we didn't run much and when we did the O-Line wasn't making holes.

About a week before the Minnesota game the team was rocked with the keg party scandal as two players were arrested and charged just a couple of days before the team left for Minnesota. That had to have some effect on the team.

I may actually be missing some things here too, but these all contributed to the way we started the season, which was very bad.

Please, go ahead and explain the circumstances. It is puzzling how our champion can get smeared by a couple mid to low level BCS conference teams, and I don't like it because despite your anecdotal evidence, I've seen at least as much if not more talk about people using that sort of thing against the MAC.

But I'd like to hear the circumstances, so thank you for sharing. Now that you've spilled your guts about your team's mentality and lack of focus beginning the season due to off-the-field issues, perhaps you'll think twice the next time you scoff off my suggestions about NIU being severely affected emotionally by losing Wolfe two days before the big game. See, it's good that we share like this.

I'm not looking for UT apologies for losing games we, unfortunately, need to win to continue getting and gaining respect. I've just stated that those sorts of results injure the perception of the MAC. It's unfortunate that MAC kids have to fight to win games AND earn respect, but that is the situation.

Come on HD. I said there was no excuse for losing. You guys continually use the Wolfe incident as an excuse. The keg party thing probably did have some effect on the team. How much? Neither of us really know. Is that the reason we lost to Minny and Kansas? No, but it might have been a small contributing factor.


And even with all of these things I mentioned, I still don't know that Toledo would have won those games. Toledo doesn't seem to play great on the road in OOC games. So there's another thing that was going against us in that game. I am sure that was in the back of their minds when they fell behind early, like how I am sure that the NIU players have losing to Toledo in the back of their minds and it probably affected them when Toledo took the lead in the 3rd quarter of our game.

rocketfootball Wrote:Come on HD. I said there was no excuse for losing. You guys continually use the Wolfe incident as an excuse. The keg party thing probably did have some effect on the team. How much? Neither of us really know. Is that the reason we lost to Minny and Kansas? No, but it might have been a small contributing factor.


And even with all of these things I mentioned, I still don't know that Toledo would have won those games. Toledo doesn't seem to play great on the road in OOC games. So there's another thing that was going against us in that game. I am sure that was in the back of their minds when they fell behind early, like how I am sure that the NIU players have losing to Toledo in the back of their minds and it probably affected them when Toledo took the lead in the 3rd quarter of our game.

I wasn't being as facetious as you apparently thought I was. I firmly believe that emotion and mindset play a HUGE part in college athletics, and particularly football. I know for a fact that NIU was a better team than WIU in 2002, but we were reeling after being jobbed at Wisconsin and they came in like it was the biggest game of their season.

So I fully believe that emotion and confidence played a part in UT beating NIU last year, and it sounds like it could have been a contributing factor to UT's OOC defeats.

And this isn't just supposition - look at the facts for NIU. In the past 3 years we've defeated Wake (a bowl team) despite being down early by 14 and never having a lead until OT, and all despite a 4-0 turnover deficit; Miami in Oxford, despite being down 27-7 early in the third quarter and only having the ball for 16 minutes; Maryland (a NY Day bowl team) despite being down early AND late; Alabama despite being down early; Iowa State despite being down early; Ohio despite being down all game; CMU despite being down 17-0 late in the second quarter....

These NIU teams have been very resilient. That night, it looked like the air came out of our sails early in the third quarter, and that is unlike the NIU teams I've watched. Yes, Toledo had quite a bit to do with that. But gearing up so heavily for our biggest game, then losing our most explosive player had a profound effect on the mindset of the team. It was very similar to watching us play USF in '02, three days after finding out that our best player had a heart condition and could have died on the field the previous Saturday. That O had no confidence, especially when things were not going well.

I don't use it as THE reason we didn't beat UT. You finally figured out that your D needed your O to become a power running team, and it was damn effective - your O looked exactly like NIU's O looked in holding BG to 17 points in DeKalb.

HuskieDan Wrote:These NIU teams have been very resilient. That night, it looked like the air came out of our sails early in the third quarter, and that is unlike the NIU teams I've watched. Yes, Toledo had quite a bit to do with that.

You have to remember that Toledo was trailing in that game and took over in the 2nd half. That in itself is not unusual since Amstutz took over at UT. Look at some of the big comebacks we have had:

2001
Came from down 23 points to Marshall in the 1st half to win the MACC 41-36. Marshall only scored 13 points in the 2nd half. We outscored them 31-13 in the 2nd half.

Down 13-3 at halftime of the MCB against Cincinnati in 2001 and came back to win 23-16. Outscored them 20-3 in the 2nd half.

2002
Down 10-0 at halftime at UCF. Outscored them 27-14 in the 2nd half to win 27-24.

Down 17-0 to NIU in the 2nd quarter at NIU. Came back to win 33-30.

Down 24-14 to BG at halftime. Outscored them 28-0 in the 2nd half to win 42-24.

2003
Down 10-0 to Marshall at the end of the 1st quarter in Huntington. Cameback to win 24-17. Outscored Marshall 17-7 in the 2nd half.

Down 24-14 to Pittsburgh at halftime. Outscored Pitt 21-7 in the 2nd half to win 35-31.

This was not a comeback but shows our 2nd half barrage. Leading Buffalo 35-26 at halftime. Outscored them 21-3 in the 2nd half to win 56-29.

2004
Down 17-7 in the 2nd quarter against NIU in Dekalb. Outscored NIU 17-0 in the 2nd half to win 31-17.

Down 27-7 to Bowling Green at halftime. Outscored BG 42-14 (all of BG's 14 points were in the last 3:35 of the game while playing catch up) in the 2nd half to win 49-41.

Trailed 14-7 to Miami in the MACC at halftime. Outscored Miami 28-13 in the 2nd half to win 35-27.


In all of these games the theme is that we adjusted defensively and offensively at halftime. In the 2nd half of every game we played great defense that led to the wins. There were some other comebacks in that time that were led significant. Like a 10-0 deficit to Temple and so forth. But anyway, this shows a pattern of Toledo playing much stronger in the 2nd half of games, especially when trailing.

Roudebush Rocket Wrote:

Rightupinthere Wrote:Why, this is a clear cut case of rocket envy. 

I see what you are saying, Rightup but I am not sold on the fact that Schad has a full blown case of it. I don't think that HuskieDan has a case of it either as Husky fans are generally more concerned with their own team than others. Of course, this could be an isolated symptom for each though. Hmmm...interesting point though. I'll think about that one.

FWIW, I think that the only fans plagued with the case are most BG fans, outside of yourself, FF, 87 Alum, and a few others. I just don't think that the case is as widespread as this board or AZZ would lead me to believe.

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Why are you reading AZZ? Whatever happened to parental controls? If you want to get mugged try posting something on the C-USA board. Post something about Marshall!

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