https://www.wsj.com/opinion/france-is-bu...t-3c87bc11

Once again Progressive Liberal Ideology aka Socialism just brings chaos and collapse.

Americans are heading down the same path. Socialism is never been has never been financially viable.

The REAL PROBLEM with Socialism or Democratic Socialism or whatever you want to call it is that the system rewards those who refuse to carry their weight. It is the flaw that Karl Marx refused to see. Some folks are good with living off others and will do as little as possible but entitled to their fair share.

This is not a system that rewards those who help themselves but rather a system of rob from those who are productive and give to those who are not.

Herein is where things fall apart. The productive class learn the funds they have invested many years into has been mismanaged and doled out to dead weight and other pork barrel projects in order to placate those who will not help support the system. It fails time again spectacularly throughout history and France is learning a painful lesson. The UK will be next in short order.

Toss in millions of illegals and the system goes into a nose dive crash.

All of this a perfect recipe created by French Politicians. They have created an unaffordable society and their citizens now reap what they have sewn

Looks like we are well on our way to emulating them.

Have they tried cutting taxes, cutting benefits for poor and middle classes, increasing Department of War spending, and proposing illegal tariffs the government can't collect? Its working like gangbusters on this side of the pond.

The French politicians did actually see this coming and have tried to lower retirement benefits or raise the retirement age several times over the past decade. The French people have rioted every time and the government backed off. Now let's see what happens when they just can't fund it and there isn't still several years to fix it.

Not surprising given the demographics in Europe. Sadly----we are right behind them. The Social Security Trust Fund currently makes up the shortfall resulting from the revenue gap between current Social Security tax revenues and the actual Social Security obligations to SS enrollees. I believe the current estimate is the Social Security Trust Fund will run dry in 2032---and when it does---the Social Security system will only have whatever revenues the social security tax brings in each month to pay its retirees. Assuming nothing is done between now and then, the current estimate is each SS recipient would get about 80% of what they are actually owed by the SS system starting sometime in 2032. My guess is this "worst case" scenario will be avoided (just as it was the last time this almost happened in the early 1980's)-----but because any "fix" will require some unpleasant realities----I suspect politcal leaders will probably wait until the very last minute to do something about it (just as they did back then).

(Yesterday 08:51 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  Have they tried cutting taxes, cutting benefits for poor and middle classes, increasing Department of War spending, and proposing illegal tariffs the government can't collect? Its working like gangbusters on this side of the pond.

They didn't but SS security taxes weren't cut in the US.

I'm sure rioting will work even better than the above though. It's worked for the French so far....

The payroll tax cap needs to be eliminated and Social Security will be fine for decades more, even some Republicans are starting to come around on this -

https://moneywise.com/news/top-stories/s...ayroll-cap

I was not referencing government revenue specific to SS. I do wonder what some conservatives debt to gdp ratio could be, when they would stop rooting for tax cuts.

(Yesterday 08:51 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  Have they tried cutting taxes, cutting benefits for poor and middle classes, increasing Department of War spending, and proposing illegal tariffs the government can't collect? Its working like gangbusters on this side of the pond.

You seemed to have made a counter argument against historical failed ideologies and policies. Just because someone fails spectacularly doesn’t change the formula of repeated failed Political Ideologies.

(Yesterday 09:08 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  The payroll tax cap needs to be eliminated and Social Security will be fine for decades more, even some Republicans are starting to come around on this -

https://moneywise.com/news/top-stories/s...ayroll-cap

This is beyond gross ignorance. How much do you want taken out of workers checks when things are already unaffordable?

This is like heading for a cliff and pressing the accelerator

It’s your failed Political Ideology and putting lipstick on a pig doesn’t change that

Imagine counting on social security. LoL

(Yesterday 08:51 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  Have they tried cutting taxes, cutting benefits for poor and middle classes, increasing Department of War spending, and proposing illegal tariffs the government can't collect? Its working like gangbusters on this side of the pond.

Yeah, it is.

Giving shite away to 3rd world retards hurts us too though

How's come we expect the young healthy people pay for health insurance to private companies through their employers, when they are the most lucrative to ensure, and then expect them to switch to medicare when eligible, at the least profitable end of the insurance relationship?

(Yesterday 10:30 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  How's come we expect the young healthy people pay for health insurance to private companies through their employers, when they are the most lucrative to ensure, and then expect them to switch to medicare when eligible, at the least profitable end of the insurance relationship?

Simply amazing, you really can’t see the forest for all the trees

I can admit to seeing what (I think) IS without knowing why.

(Yesterday 10:40 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(Yesterday 10:30 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  How's come we expect the young healthy people pay for health insurance to private companies through their employers, when they are the most lucrative to ensure, and then expect them to switch to medicare when eligible, at the least profitable end of the insurance relationship?

Simply amazing, you really can’t see the forest for all the trees

Lol. Our country is not the one collapsing but prog filth still want the European model. Fully indoctrinated or just mildly retarded. Maybe both. Obama care destroyed health insurance and is an absolute disaster. Prog filth policies are destroying Europe....but the Democrats can do fascim the right way

They are idiots

I feel less informed after your post. Quality troll and **** poster, not a great explainer, in the format.

(Yesterday 10:48 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  I can admit to seeing what (I think) IS without knowing why.

But, that is not what you are doing. You are trying to minimize the collapse of Social Security due to Democratic Socialism and trying your best to conflate.

It will not work here any better than has elsewhere because it is a flawed ideology that on paper or in a classroom speaks to self righteousness of wanting to right a wrong or balance a system. This cannot happen and never will because it is impossible in a free society to expect or force the freddy freeloaders to carry their weight. Add to that the passing out of so called free to these types and the system runs dry.

(Today 12:33 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(Yesterday 10:48 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  I can admit to seeing what (I think) IS without knowing why.

But, that is not what you are doing. You are trying to minimize the collapse of Social Security due to Democratic Socialism and trying your best to conflate.

It will not work here any better than has elsewhere because it is a flawed ideology that on paper or in a classroom speaks to self righteousness of wanting to right a wrong or balance a system. This cannot happen and never will because it is impossible in a free society to expect or force the freddy freeloaders to carry their weight. Add to that the passing out of so called free to these types and the system runs dry.

I am not a social security expert, I am not trying to win tonight. I doubt most objective economists use terms like freddy freeloader. They do account for unemployed, homeless, etc.

(Today 12:49 AM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  

(Today 12:33 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(Yesterday 10:48 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  I can admit to seeing what (I think) IS without knowing why.

But, that is not what you are doing. You are trying to minimize the collapse of Social Security due to Democratic Socialism and trying your best to conflate.

It will not work here any better than has elsewhere because it is a flawed ideology that on paper or in a classroom speaks to self righteousness of wanting to right a wrong or balance a system. This cannot happen and never will because it is impossible in a free society to expect or force the freddy freeloaders to carry their weight. Add to that the passing out of so called free to these types and the system runs dry.

I am not a social security expert, I am not trying to win tonight. I doubt most objective economists use terms like freddy freeloader. They do account for unemployed, homeless, etc.

This is the problem with the left in Europe and here. They know how to bytch and complain and offer free chit but they don't know how to fix a damn thing. So they just destroy everything in the name of diversity and inclusion and blame everyone but themselves.

Whatever term you want to plug in for those in society that will not work and will expect the taxpayer to provide for them has grown exponentially because of the entitlement politicians toss out for a vote. Socialism as being pushed by Dems isn’t sustainable never was and it is being played in France. The Uk is a stone’s throw behind them.

The bottom line is once again Socialism is a failure. How many times do people I have to presume or unlearned or ignorant to what History has already shown us over and over.

You want to live like Cubans? There is your poster child.

Way more examples

And as far as winning History was already won. Those who refuse to acknowledge it will be doomed to repeat it