(10-27-2026 12:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (10-27-2026 11:48 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: (10-27-2026 11:20 AM)JRsec Wrote: (10-27-2026 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (10-27-2026 09:54 AM)JRsec Wrote: Herein resides the main issue for this forum. My response was about the information and the actual retraction by Doctors of the lie put out about ivermectin (an $8 over the counter drug) which stood to interfere with the billions made in mRNA shots which proved to be lethal via arrhythmias to some younger (think 20 something) healthy people. The shots were rushed into use without proper testing due to the crisis created in the Wuhan lab.
Herein resides the issue with you on this.
NOWHERE is there, nor did you, provide any evidence or credible information to support your conclusion that "actual retraction by Doctors of the lie put out about Ivermectin."
I've done the research. I cannot find anything from anyone credible or who conducted a credible study that supports your conclusion that it did anything to warrant usage for Covid beyond other case studies. The FDA...who you claim rushed through the Covid vaccines...has still to this day not approved it for use for Covid. Why not? Much of their time since this has been in the news was under the auspices of a trump administration.
And again, where is the proof or evidence of this? I can find nothing to support this claim:
(10-27-2026 09:54 AM)JRsec Wrote: ...mRNA shots which proved to be lethal via arrhythmias to some younger (think 20 something) healthy people.
Sorry but, there is just nothing anywhere to support that statement that this was any sort of substantive problem. I'm sure there was likely a few cases, but that's certainly no logical reason to act like it was wide spread as you seem to claim. Certainly nothing outside of the typical adverse affects that come from any medical procedure or treatment.
Lastly, I have no opinion of whether it came from a lab or was man made because there has never been any actual conclusion reached and I don't have the expertise to make any such conclusion. You, seem to think there was, and you're certainly entitled that opinion. However, that does not make it a known fact.
Tom, I knew a young woman who died from arrythmias attributed to the shot. I knew of other data because my personal physician was among those collecting reports on adverse reactions and investigating the causes, and most were related to the shots, or more specifically the patients' reactions to them.
The government doesn't spend money on collecting data and investigating unless something is going on.
Perhaps you should open your eyes and ears and quit believing the lies of the corporately owned media be they right or left. Unfortunately, liability suits for the vaccine were waived at the time you signed to take them, convenient legal foresight, and I had an arrythmia following my shot which I only took so I could fly should one of my daughters need me.
I have found that people who cite their favorite political disinformation sites are woefully misinformed. There are people who know in medicine, through having issues of their own, and some in the loop informationally within government organizations. I'll trust any of them and what I actually experience over you or any of your paper dagger disinformation sites and I would say the same about those on the right.
And because you tried to make it personal all I'll say in return is when you actually get involved beyond a google search of disinformation sites that validate your point of view, I will continue to count you as lazy in the effort to obtain the truth and useful to those who abuse the public trust.
In the three years since my cancer treatments and 3 back surgeries, I've queried numerous medical professionals, including a dear old friend who is a retired MD, a cousin who is also an MD, my NP who I've been going to for almost 23 years, and three cousins who have been nurses for 20-plus years. To a person, they've sneered at the mRNA "vaccine."
One nurse cousin who was in perfect health developed blood clots in her leg soon after being injected. She swears that ever since receiving the jab she has felt like crap most of the time. This is a younger woman who I used to run with and work out with religiously. She's never smoked, never drank heavily, and was a nut about eating right.
Anecdotal, to be sure, but when not one of them agreed with the efficacy of the "vaccine," but instead warned against it, that says something.
I have a good friend who is an ICU nurse and was on the front lines of Covid. I also grew up with another who is in medical administration. They are both huge supporters of the vaccines and have always spoken of their efficacy. I also know of no one who had any adverse reaction to any of the vaccines. 
Had my experiences in person, got my information from health care providers in the front lines and if you are looking for evidence online of course you won't find it. There is no longer a free press with individuals making decisions with regard to a story. Corporately owned newspapers do edit content to protect their investments and that is firsthand experience as well.
We may live in an information age but with A.I. we very well could be moving to one source on everything and that not human but programmed to protect corporate interests.
What's hard for the board here to grasp is that Democrats are not the enemy. Corporations have taken over the agenda for both parties via PAC money which is vastly larger than personal donations.
The two-party system was grandfathered in by Bush after Perot almost pissed in his teapot. It would take a committed multi-billionaire to run now as an independent. The overhead for independents is to get on the ballot in 50 states and they have to do it one state at a time. The groundwork alone for signatures is overwhelmingly expensive. Meanwhile Dems and Pubs are grandfathered in at no expense and their nominees appear on all 50 ballots. What's democratic and free about that?
What you see happening in Europe, which happened in Australia, New Zealand and Canada as well, is now happening in the U.S. Governments once savvy enough to defeat the Third Reich are now looking grossly incompetent no matter who is in power.
Treaties enabled large corporate multi-nationals to escape national laws and settle all issues in international boards of arbitration. They see all forms of government as a drag on their time and efforts in business. They've found that PAC money works well to buy off all political sides and then gridlock which they encourage discourages the electorate. That's why almost all election choices are boiled down to the lesser of two evils.
Vetting of candidates works exactly like being a made man in the Mafia. In the Mafia once you have killed for them, they trust you because they have the evidence to put you away any time, they find that expedient to do so, and if it is a critical another made man puts you away permanently.
In politics the party doesn't approve your candidacy in your state's primary unless they have the goods on you. When they trust you will support their agenda with the votes when called upon and they can ruin you or a member of your family with information they hold then you get in. Anyone who manages to win a primary without the party nomination then becomes a target of both parties elected nominees and made to look like a fool.
You saw some Republicans in the last election that were elected without support of Trump and you saw what happened. Ditto for Jimmy Carter and the Dems in 1976.
If the corporations can make all government look nothing but contentious and inept they hope to move to a world in which Corporations govern. I suggest folks go back and watch the old Rollerball, or Howard Beal in Network. People have talked about the inevitability of this for decades. Ray Bradbury would be another. While you can get away with talking about this in fiction, the reality is the world's biggest problems stem from corporate control already. They form trading blocks that manipulate stocks, they control laws through elections made possible by legal PAC money (another Bush issue), and they hope through A.I. and their grants to universities to control the supply of management and eliminate the common worker.
I've witnessed this firsthand as well for over a decade when I was helping small private business try to compete with them. By the late 80's it was clear that their involvement in State politics, state by state, bought them sales tax perks, property tax reductions, and could amount in some states to a 13 point advantage before any private or corporate business opened its doors to the public. Mom & Pop couldn't overcome that kind of edge and make enough to justify staying in business. The more control they gained through these tactics, and the PAC funds that amplified that, the less free we all have become. And I might add to the point where the eminent domain clause was used to dislocate a neighborhood in Massachusetts to allow for a shopping area to be built and the return on sales tax was the excuse, they used to victimize the neighborhood of mostly retired citizens.
In California more recently privately owned commercial property was claimed the same way for a school. When the city involved won their suit for the land an excuse to move that school elsewhere was made and the land acquired for the school at the expense of the owners of that land, was then sold for a profit to a locating corporation that wanted the location.
We have no voice against such power and the abuse of it. When there is no place on Earth where the voices of the many are heard it will be curtains for all of us. There are speculative concepts floating around now that want to return the Earth to the population that existed prior to the use of oil as a commercial fertilizer which increased crop yields twenty fold and enabled the population to explode from 3.5 billion which it had hovered more or less around as a total for 5000 years previous to advent of petroleum based fertilizers and which the uber wealthy now see as the Utopian world for the grandchildren. There's just one problem, to get there 5 billion of us have to die without being replaced.
If there is no nation free enough to stand up to them, and it's looking like we are already there, then this growing angst to erupt into violence against our political rivals will be sufficient enough to cause civil strife across the world and in so doing with no official government intervention will supply a jump start for the next great purge. As long as the Right and Left blame each other, as long as its Conservatives against Liberals, as long as people of faith find justifications to hate each other and as long as violence against the innocent can erupt anywhere it only serves the agendas of the uberwealthy.
To them less people means less pollution, more essential resources for their families, less global war without nation states, and if they own it all and our survivors simply work for necessities from their company store and A.I. handles the rest they see it as a Utopia.
Now I don't expect any of you to embrace what I've said today. But I promise you when this old man has shuffled off and some of you younger folks are left in what is coming, you'll damn well remember it later and for all the wrong reasons and when it is very much too late to do anything about it.
None of this crap is about being conservative or liberal, none of it is about left vs right, and none of it is about freedom and democracy versus communism. It's about a world in which Corporate entities run your lives and you are anything but free. It will be utopia for the upper end of the super wealthy, tolerable for their slightly affluent buds, and hell for the rest of us!
I've watched it developing for 30 years now. I heard it a very, very prominent University while working on my Masters. I've been in social circles where it discussed like the events of the sporting game would be discussed after any dinner party.
Now for the tie in for those to dull to make the connection. Why are we having any gain of function research done for novel viruses that can be weaponized to kill? Is not the function of life its propagation? You don't pump millions of dollars into developing viruses that can kill and mutate and kill again because you are planning to help someone develop a vaccine. You do it because you are weaponizing them! They feel they have succeeded if it will nearly wipe out an enemy (however that is defined meaning it could be too many people) and have a vaccine that saves a high % of your own. This is what will be replacing what once was elected governments. Those with the most wealth have simply bought all sides in every important formerly free nation. And it's not Russia. China however as Owls Numbers correctly pointed out is run by an oligarchy of CEOs and that is why they are great place to carry out such plans for our future.
Have a nice day! But do try to get out and actually experience what is happening around you. You will then see the changes for yourself.
