No, scorpius. It means we had a weak foreign policy under Obama, then Biden. Notice how nothing happened under Trump.

(11-02-2026 09:11 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(11-02-2026 08:57 PM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  

(11-02-2026 08:54 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(11-02-2026 08:42 PM)BirdHawkEagle Wrote:  If NATO had ceased to exist at the end of the Cold War, like it should have, Russia would never have invaded Ukraine.

Instead, they became a hammer looking for nails, poking around and stirring up wars to justify their existence.

And we have a massive debt to show for it.

We will be the only country to go bankrupt from wars we started ourselves as a way to launder money and pay off people.

That's because the US military is being forced to do a job that lazy Socialist European countries refuse to do.

No they aren’t. We do it because we want to be embedded in their governments to control their foreign policy so they don’t do anything that we don’t like.

Once we got control after WWII, we just never stopped occupying them.

It’s strictly voluntary on our end.

And that’s why we are $40 trillion in debt.

Hence why I said we're doing a job that the lazy European nations refuse to do.

If we were focused on our own borders, we wouldn't be in so much debt.

(11-02-2026 09:23 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  No, scorpius. It means we had a weak foreign policy under Obama, then Biden. Notice how nothing happened under Trump.

I have to agree that Biden certainly wasn't a help in preventing the war or halting it in it's early stages. Obama could have done a lot more as well. But that doesn't mean Trump was any better. Just the opposite.

It’s quaint how people still think the president is more powerful than the CIA/MIC.

The president is their spokesperson to sell their operations to the public, not their boss.

Grow up people.

(11-02-2026 09:32 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(11-02-2026 09:23 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  No, scorpius. It means we had a weak foreign policy under Obama, then Biden. Notice how nothing happened under Trump.

I have to agree that Biden certainly wasn't a help in preventing the war or halting it in it's early stages. Obama could have done a lot more as well. But that doesn't mean Trump was any better. Just the opposite.