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(02-28-2026 12:33 PM)hburg Wrote:  The Iranian response, as expected, has been minimal. Could that change? sure. But their response is quite discombobulated.

Either there was a major decapitation accomplished, OR leadership that hasnt been taken out went into hiding to the point the military is unsure what to do.
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(02-28-2026 12:31 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(02-28-2026 10:02 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(02-28-2026 09:05 AM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  Well, since the GOP senate was handing the democrats the control of both the Senate and the house in November, might as well give it to them on a silver platter by getting into a war.
Dems best case scenario in the Senate is 51R, 49D.

Agree the House is probably gone.

(02-28-2026 09:22 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Smart move lobbying missiles at nearly every Arab Gulf country. Let us know how that works out, Cotton.
The Iranians and the Arabs have hated each other for a long time. I think the ayatollahs’ instinctive reaction is just to say to the Arabs “Fukc you” one more time while they still have time to speak.

Actually, the Iranians are firing at US bases in those countries.

The hit a resort in Bahrain. I'm not sure thats the target they were wanting, as it appears the dron just kind of side swiped the high rise.

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Yeah they hit a building in the business district.

Iran's missiles are directional but not exactly high on precision.
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(02-28-2026 07:08 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  We attacked in daylight in an attempt to achieve tactical surprise. I heard that likely Tomahawk missiles took the lead and nightfall could bring more and heavier attacks.

I finally heard what is probably the right answer.

We attacked during the day when more people we wanted to eliminate might be gathered together. In government buildings, at defense contractors, etc. Even though it was a Saturday.

Our #1 objective in this war is now crystal clear: Regime change.

That means killing every government official from the Ayatollah and the President down to the newest person in the Parliament, or whatever they call it. It also means going after all the defense contractor personnel, and anybody else involved in any way with making Iran the pain in the ass it is to the rest of the world.

The #2 objective is to effectively destroy their military capability, including missiles, launchers, Navy, etc.

The #3 objective is to end Iran's support of proxy terrorists (Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas).

Finally, no word at all from the Ayatollah. That's a good sign.
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(02-28-2026 12:33 PM)hburg Wrote:  The Iranian response, as expected, has been minimal. Could that change? sure. But their response is quite discombobulated.

My guess is a lot of that is due to us destroying/jamming key communication nodes and taking out some of the leadership decision makers. I think our surveillance ability is allowing the Israelis to hit many of the launch sites before they can launch. I also have a feeling the Iranian claims of completely rebuilding and expanding of their arsenal after the huge summer missile volleys that expended much of their magazines is exaggerated.
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How did I know the second Trump started an explicit regime change war, from his own mouth, this board would suck him off for it?
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(02-28-2026 12:05 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(02-28-2026 11:58 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  
(02-28-2026 11:56 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(02-28-2026 11:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-28-2026 11:28 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  MTG is going full nuts on Twitter
So what about that is new about MTG?!
I’ll bet even money she has a speaking role at the Democrats’ Convention in 2028. Not a keynote, but a few minutes at the podium as a symbol of “repentant” ex-Trump supporters.

I don't know man. She seems to be going further right. Her rantings are generally Trump isn't MAGA enough. I'd put her on speaking tour with Nick Fuentes before the Democrats.
Hmmm, maybe.

MTG seems to be trying to create a new political identity, one that combines a Code Pink approach to military/foreign policy with random right wing takes on most other stuff.

Curious to see where she lands.

She is not a stupid woman despite that perception of her by so many. She does appear to have become a bit more radicalized.
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(02-28-2026 12:51 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  How did I know the second Trump started an explicit regime change war, from his own mouth, this board would suck him off for it?

Because most Americans dont want a Muslim version of a nuclear armed N Korea hanging over our heads----and because any regime change effort is to be accomplished without sending thousands of our sons and daughters onto Iranian soil to die?
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(02-28-2026 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-28-2026 12:51 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  How did I know the second Trump started an explicit regime change war, from his own mouth, this board would suck him off for it?

Because most Americans dont want a Muslim version of a nuclear armed N Korea hanging over our heads----and because any regime change effort is to be accomplished without sending thousands of our sons and daughters onto Iranian soil to die?

Nuclear N Korea and Iran. Brought to everyone by Clinton, Obama, and Biden*. With an assist from their dumb*** voters who didnt get their student loans forgiven.
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(02-28-2026 12:51 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  How did I know the second Trump started an explicit regime change war, from his own mouth, this board would suck him off for it?

I will say this... when the Venezuela thing happened, I did not watch the news. I went to youtube and found a channel being broadcast out of Venezuela, and what I saw were a lot of people celebrating and happy about what was happening...

Last night between 3-4 am, I found a channel on youtube with Iranian immigrants in the USA. They were in contact with their families in Iran. Until the communications went down, their families were sending them videos and pictures. The Iranians were all celebrating and chanting TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP... of course it had to be translated but they were talking about how "beautiful" it was to watch the regime being bombed.
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(02-28-2026 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-28-2026 12:51 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  How did I know the second Trump started an explicit regime change war, from his own mouth, this board would suck him off for it?

Because most Americans dont want a Muslim version of a nuclear armed N Korea hanging over our heads----and because any regime change effort is to be accomplished without sending thousands of our sons and daughters onto Iranian soil to die?

Yep. Officials have said it over and over today. We have no interest in nation building, starting a democracy in Iran, or anything else, other than eliminating the current regime, which eliminates the nuclear threat, and gives the Iranian people a chance to rebuild on their own.

Not that complicated. Sorry it's too much for some to figure out.
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(02-28-2026 12:10 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(02-28-2026 12:05 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(02-28-2026 11:58 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  
(02-28-2026 11:56 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(02-28-2026 11:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  So what about that is new about MTG?!
I’ll bet even money she has a speaking role at the Democrats’ Convention in 2028. Not a keynote, but a few minutes at the podium as a symbol of “repentant” ex-Trump supporters.

I don't know man. She seems to be going further right. Her rantings are generally Trump isn't MAGA enough. I'd put her on speaking tour with Nick Fuentes before the Democrats.
Hmmm, maybe.

MTG seems to be trying to create a new political identity, one that combines a Code Pink approach to military/foreign policy with random right wing takes on most other stuff.

Curious to see where she lands.

I have an idea...

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03-lmfao

That is Thomas the Talking Tragedy if ever I saw him! Or any of them. That is so broadly applicable.
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(02-28-2026 12:42 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Yeah they hit a building in the business district.

Iran's missiles are directional but not exactly high on precision.

Very possible the drone pilot was lost in a strike and it flew freely.
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War Powers and Executive Authority: The Case for Epic Fury


Quote:Last night President Donald Trump ordered targeted military strikes against Iran. Critics immediately declared the action unconstitutional. Representative Thomas Massie and others argued that absent a formal declaration of war, the president had exceeded his authority. These objections are serious. They deserve a serious reply. When examined carefully, the strike stands on firm constitutional ground. It is lawful under Article II. It is consistent with the War Powers Resolution. It accords with modern presidential precedent across both parties.

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Begin with the Constitution itself. Article I grants Congress the power to declare war. Article II names the president Commander in Chief of the armed forces. These clauses are not redundant. Nor are they mutually exclusive. They allocate different forms of authority. Congress decides whether to initiate a state of general war. The president directs the use of military force in defense of national interests and US forces. The question is not whether Congress has war powers. It plainly does. The question is whether every discrete use of force constitutes a war in the constitutional sense. History answers no.

Imagine a naval commander whose ship is threatened by hostile missiles. Must he first convene a legislative body before responding? Of course not. The Commander in Chief clause would be hollow if it denied the executive the power to repel threats or conduct limited operations necessary to protect American lives and interests. From the earliest days of the Republic, presidents have used force short of declared war. Thomas Jefferson ordered naval actions against the Barbary pirates. James Madison approved limited engagements before formal declarations. The practice is longstanding.

After World War II, the pattern became even clearer. Presidents of both parties have conducted military operations without formal declarations of war. Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Kosovo, Libya, Syria. In each case the executive relied on Article II authority, sometimes supplemented by statutory authorization, but rarely dependent on a formal declaration. One may debate the wisdom of each action. But the legality has rested on a shared understanding that the president possesses independent constitutional authority to use limited force.

Consider how modern presidents have treated the War Powers Resolution of 1973. The Resolution requires that the president report to Congress within 48 hours of introducing US forces into hostilities and limits such engagements to 60 days absent congressional authorization. Every modern president has complied with the 48 hour reporting requirement. Yet each has done so while maintaining that the Resolution does not diminish Article II authority.

Ronald Reagan reported to Congress after initiating the 1983 Grenada invasion. He did not concede that congressional permission was required to begin. George H W Bush notified Congress following the 1989 Panama operation. Bill Clinton transmitted notice during the 1999 Kosovo air campaign. George W Bush filed notice after launching the 2003 Iraq invasion. Barack Obama reported within 48 hours of commencing the 2011 Libya strikes. Joe Biden notified Congress following his 2023 Syria airstrikes. In each instance the president acted absent a direct attack on the US homeland. In each instance a formal War Powers report was transmitted. In each instance the executive branch described its submission as consistent with the Resolution, not as a concession that Article II authority was subordinate to it.

This pattern matters. Law is not only text. It is also practice. When all branches repeatedly operate under a shared framework, that framework acquires constitutional significance. The Iran strike fits squarely within that settled pattern. A limited operation, justified by threats to US forces and allies, reported to Congress within the statutory window, undertaken by the Commander in Chief in the exercise of independent authority.

Critics respond that Article I gives Congress the sole power to initiate hostilities. But this overreads the Declare War Clause. The framers distinguished between declaring war and conducting military operations. A declaration changes the legal state between nations. It triggers domestic consequences. It authorizes the full mobilization of national resources. A targeted strike does not necessarily do these things. The constitutional category of war is narrower than the category of military force.

Moreover, Congress has already legislated in this domain. The 2001 and 2002 Authorizations for Use of Military Force remain on the books. Presidents have cited these AUMFs to justify actions against terrorist threats and destabilizing regimes in the region. Even if one argues that the Iran strike rests primarily on Article II authority, the broader statutory landscape demonstrates that Congress has long authorized force in contexts that overlap with Iranian conduct and regional threats. The executive does not act in a statutory vacuum.

What of the War Powers Resolution’s 60 day clock? The answer is straightforward. The clock limits sustained hostilities. It does not forbid initial action. If the Iran operation remains limited in scope and duration, it falls comfortably within the historical practice of short term engagements. Should the conflict expand, Congress retains the power of the purse and the authority to enact binding restrictions. The constitutional system anticipates dialogue, not paralysis.

Some object that absent an attack on US soil, the president lacks defensive authority. But this too misstates the doctrine. Presidents have repeatedly acted to defend US personnel abroad, protect allies, deter escalation, and enforce red lines concerning weapons proliferation and terrorism. Obama’s Libya strikes were not triggered by an invasion of the US homeland. Biden’s Syria and Yemen actions were justified by regional threats and attacks on US partners. Yet few argued that the mere absence of a domestic invasion stripped the president of constitutional authority. The relevant inquiry is whether the use of force serves national defense and foreign policy interests entrusted to the executive.

Trump has justified the Iran strikes based on Iranian attacks on US forces and allies, Iran’s designation as a state sponsor of terrorism, and its persistent defiance concerning nuclear development. One may debate the intelligence assessments. One may question strategic prudence. But constitutionality turns on authority, not on unanimous agreement about policy. The Commander in Chief must sometimes act on incomplete information. The Constitution entrusts that judgment to a single executive precisely because speed and secrecy are often indispensable.

Here a familiar confusion arises. Some believe that recognizing executive authority implies endorsing unchecked power. It does not. The War Powers framework creates a structured interaction. The president acts, reports within 48 hours, and continues engagement only if Congress does not object within 60 days. Congress may authorize, restrict, or defund. This equilibrium has governed American military practice for 50 years. The Iran strike sits comfortably within it.

To see the point, consider a sculptor holding her finished work aloft. If we reject the possibility of two objects occupying the same space, we must choose what she holds. Is it clay or statue? The choice depends on our theory of identity. Likewise here. If we define every use of force as war, then the Declare War Clause swallows the Commander in Chief Clause. But if we distinguish general war from limited hostilities, as historical practice does, then the constitutional structure becomes coherent. The president may initiate limited force. Congress may escalate, authorize, or terminate.

The critics’ strongest argument is not textual but prudential. They fear executive overreach. That fear is not irrational. Yet prudential concerns do not rewrite constitutional allocations. Moreover, the historical record shows bipartisan reliance on the same theory of executive power. Clinton relied on it in Kosovo. Obama relied on it in Libya. Biden relied on it in Syria. If one now denies it categorically, one must explain why decades of consistent practice by both parties were unconstitutional. That is a heavy burden.

Finally, it bears emphasis that compliance with the War Powers Resolution does not imply surrender of constitutional prerogative. Presidents have uniformly described their reports as submitted consistent with the Resolution. This phrasing is deliberate. It reflects the executive branch view that Article II authority exists independently, even as Congress may impose procedural requirements such as notification. The Iran strike, followed by timely reporting, continues this settled tradition.

In constitutional law, precedent is not confined to judicial opinions. It includes the durable practices of the political branches. For more than half a century, presidents have initiated limited military actions without prior declarations of war, have notified Congress within 48 hours, and have maintained that their authority derives from Article II. The strike on Iran stands in that lineage.

One may oppose the policy. One may demand debate. Congress remains free to exercise its powers. But the claim that the initial action is per se unconstitutional cannot be sustained in light of text, structure, and consistent modern practice. The Constitution creates an energetic executive, not a ceremonial one. When national security demands swift action, the Commander in Chief may act, report, and then engage Congress in the constitutional dialogue that follows.





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Quote:Senator Schumer, with all due respect — as an Iranian whose family is living under this regime RIGHT NOW, I can tell you: the Iranian people are celebrating in the streets today.
This is not ‘another endless war.’ This is 45 years of oppression finally coming to an end. The real endless war was the one this regime waged against its own people.
Don’t use the Iranian people as a political tool against Trump. We are not a talking point. We are human beings who deserve freedom. ??

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I just heard Fox lay it out as to why we attacked in broad daylight.

1. The element of surprise.

2. We weren't that fearful of Iran's air defense systems, which had been substantially degraded last summer. What was left was dealt with using Tomahawk missiles.

3. AND...the most important reason was...

We fired on 3 simultaneous government meetings, hoping to decapitate the Iranian leadership. We apparently got a number of them that way, but not everybody. Still waiting on further reports.
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