Quote:Trump’s own SCOTUS picks could wind up hurting him on tariffs
Gorsuch and Barrett press administration on separation of powers concerns over Liberation Day tariffs
By Breanne Deppisch Fox News
Published November 8, 2025 7:32am EST

The Supreme Court on Wednesday heard oral arguments in a case centered on President Donald Trump’s use of an emergency law to enact his sweeping "Liberation Day" tariffs, and even Trump-appointed justices appeared skeptical of the administration’s arguments.

Several questions from conservative justices, particularly Neil Gorsuch and Amy Coney Barrett, suggested uncertainty about allowing Trump to use the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) to enact his steep 10% tariffs on most imports. A ruling against the administration would deliver a major blow to Trump's signature economic policy.

The IEEPA law gives the president broad economic powers in the event of a national emergency tied to foreign threats, and Trump declared the trade deficit such an emergency to impose tariffs via executive order earlier this year. But the law does not mention the word "tariffs" or "taxes" — a major sticking point in both this week’s oral arguments and the lower court’s earlier review of the case.

Most of the justices’ questions focused on a single phrase in the law — the power to "regulate importation" during a national emergency — and whether that phrase grants Trump the authority he claims. Several justices seemed wary of a reading that could hand Congress’ Article I power over revenue and taxation to the executive branch.

This included Trump’s appointees, who appeared to struggle with separation-of-powers issues that could vastly expand presidential authority — not only for Trump but for his successors as well.

Barrett, in particular, pressed U.S. Solicitor General D. John Sauer on this, asking: "Can you point to any other place in the code or any other time in history where that phrase — together with ‘regulate importation’ — has been used to confer tariff-imposing authority?"

Gorsuch later asked Sauer about his "theory of the Constitution" and "major questions doctrine," indicating concern about separation-of-powers issues and granting too much power to the executive.
"What would prohibit Congress from abdicating all responsibility to regulate foreign commerce or declare war to the president?" Gorsuch asked Sauer.

Sauer repeatedly argued that a "regulatory tariff" is not a tax and that the power to raise revenue was "only incidental," even as the White House has celebrated that Trump's tariff revenues exceeded $100 billion this year.

Challengers, including private entities and Democratic-led states, argue that Congress must clearly state when it wants presidents to have the authority to implement tariffs. In court filings, they pointed to laws such as Section 232 (national security trade measures) and Section 301 (retaliation for unfair trade) as times when Congress expressly gave tariff powers to the president. By contrast, IEEPA has been used for embargoes, asset freezes and licensing but never across-the-board tariffs. The last time the Court permitted a delegation of tariff powers to the president, in Algonquin SNG v. FEA (1976), it relied on Section 232 because Congress put that authority plainly in the statute. Challengers say there is no comparable language in IEEPA.

The liberal justices on the Court signaled that without clear words from Congress, IEEPA cannot provide Trump with tariff authority. After a previous Supreme Court decision in Loper Bright v. Raimondo (2024), courts no longer give federal agencies the benefit of the doubt when interpreting vague laws. And under the "major questions" doctrine referred to by Gorsuch and other justices, large, economy-wide actions like Trump's tariffs need a plain, specific grant from Congress.

Court watchers and legal experts said after arguments that a Trump administration win could be more difficult than expected, though each cautioned it is hard to draw conclusions from roughly two hours of oral arguments — a fraction of the total time justices spend reviewing a case.

Jonathan Turley, a law professor and Fox News contributor, said in a blog post that the justices "were skeptical and uncomfortable with the claim of authority, and the odds still favored the challengers."

"However, there is a real chance of a fractured decision that could still produce an effective win for the administration," Turley added.

Jack Goldsmith, a former assistant attorney general in the George W. Bush administration, did not go quite as far.

"I think that it is fair to say that the justices the government needs to win the case — Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Neil Gorsuch and Amy Coney Barrett — asked the government very hard questions that did express skepticism about important elements of its case," Goldsmith said in a New York Times interview.

"But they also asked the other side very hard questions. I do not think any of these three tipped off their hands definitively. I did not find anything terribly surprising in the questions."

WH official warns of 'catastrophic' economic circumstances if admin loses tariff case at Supreme CourtVideo

Brent Skorup, a legal fellow at the CATO Institute, told Fox News Digital in an emailed statement that members of the Court seemed uncomfortable with expanding presidential power over tariffs.

"Most justices appeared attentive to the risks of deferring to a president's interpretation of an ambiguous statute and the executive branch ‘discovering’ new powers in old statutes," Skorup said.

"The justices were skeptical and uncomfortable with the claim of authority, and the odds still favored the challengers. However, there is a real chance of a fractured decision that could still produce an effective win for the administration."

The case is Learning Resources, Inc. v. Trump (consolidated with Trump v. V.O.S. Selections). A ruling is expected by late June.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme...-arguments

So, these SC justices would rather side with the world than side with the country. The world's countries would be sending flowers to those SC judges. Tariffs are whats keeping them honest and in check.

There's an old adage in federal appellate practice...often the toughest lines of questioning comes from justices who are on the fence and are looking to be convinced.

(11-08-2025 10:42 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  There's an old adage in federal appellate practice...often the toughest lines of questioning comes from justices who are on the fence and are looking to be convinced.

Well, the journalists apparently haven't learned that adage yet, lol.

They know it if they actually follow the Supreme Court. It just makes a better story.

Scalia was notorious for eviscerating the counsel whose side he'd end up supporting.Gorsuch asks tough questions in general.

When Ketanji asks questions you know she already has her mind made up.. Her questions are just a soliloquy to preach.

Sometimes justices drill the side they are leaning towards looking to punch holes in their own views on the issues. Maybe that doesn't happen here. Don't be surprised if it does.

(11-08-2025 11:26 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  They know it if they actually follow the Supreme Court. It just makes a better story.

Scalia was notorious for eviscerating the counsel whose side he'd end up supporting.Gorsuch asks tough questions in general.

When Ketanji asks questions you know she already has her mind made up.. Her questions are just a soliloquy to preach.

Sometimes justices drill the side they are leaning towards looking to punch holes in their own views on the issues. Maybe that doesn't happen here. Don't be surprised if it does.

Well, I wouldn't be surprised, either way. I rarely am when it comes to politics.

Good to know, though.

Fox analysts are saying today that they think SCOTUS is going to strike down, or at least severely limit, Trump's tariff authority, and perhaps we will have to refund all tariffs collected to all countries except those who are a reasonable security threat to us, such as China.

(11-09-2025 01:05 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Fox analysts are saying today that they think SCOTUS is going to strike down, or at least severely limit, Trump's tariff authority, and perhaps we will have to refund all tariffs collected to all countries except those who are a reasonable security threat to us, such as China.

I believe the worst case scenario is that they will say congress can control Trump and his tariffs, but wont stop Trump at this point because congress has basically ceded the power to the president to control tariffs for a majority of this country's existence. So, at most, the SC would say that they arent going to stop Trump's tariffs, but if congress wants to, they can reign him in by taking control of the tariffs back from the president. Basically, congress can control this, but because they have allowed presidents for almost 2 centuries to control it, they have essentially ceded that authority over to the president until they take it back.

Then again, they may say this is international in nature and falls under the executive branch altogether.

There’s been decades upon decades of precedent from other Presidents without the Courts saying nothing. So if they were to do something they'd probably carve out a narrow ruling without torchin' the whole toolbox. Suddenly acting surprised now feels a bit.….. late

(11-09-2025 01:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-09-2025 01:05 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Fox analysts are saying today that they think SCOTUS is going to strike down, or at least severely limit, Trump's tariff authority, and perhaps we will have to refund all tariffs collected to all countries except those who are a reasonable security threat to us, such as China.

I believe the worst case scenario is that they will say congress can control Trump and his tariffs, but wont stop Trump at this point because congress has basically ceded the power to the president to control tariffs for a majority of this country's existence. So, at most, the SC would say that they arent going to stop Trump's tariffs, but if congress wants to, they can reign him in by taking control of the tariffs back from the president. Basically, congress can control this, but because they have allowed presidents for almost 2 centuries to control it, they have essentially ceded that authority over to the president until they take it back.

Then again, they may say this is international in nature and falls under the executive branch altogether.

Can't Congress control Trump already, without any SCOTUS ruling? They could pass a law that makes it specific what he can and cannot do.

As you said, they just have never done it. To me, it would be hurtful for SCOTUS to jump in now and retroactively reverse all this.

(11-09-2025 03:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-09-2025 01:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-09-2025 01:05 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Fox analysts are saying today that they think SCOTUS is going to strike down, or at least severely limit, Trump's tariff authority, and perhaps we will have to refund all tariffs collected to all countries except those who are a reasonable security threat to us, such as China.

I believe the worst case scenario is that they will say congress can control Trump and his tariffs, but wont stop Trump at this point because congress has basically ceded the power to the president to control tariffs for a majority of this country's existence. So, at most, the SC would say that they arent going to stop Trump's tariffs, but if congress wants to, they can reign him in by taking control of the tariffs back from the president. Basically, congress can control this, but because they have allowed presidents for almost 2 centuries to control it, they have essentially ceded that authority over to the president until they take it back.

Then again, they may say this is international in nature and falls under the executive branch altogether.

Can't Congress control Trump already, without any SCOTUS ruling? They could pass a law that makes it specific what he can and cannot do.

As you said, they just have never done it. To me, it would be hurtful for SCOTUS to jump in now and retroactively reverse all this.

Yes they could *if* this tariff power ultimately resides with congress. There is some question about that because this is international and not national.

But even if they say congress ultimately has control over this, they will also say that congress can delegate this power to the executive branch, as is done on a LOT of other things.

And they will also probably say that since presidents have done this for more than a century, that congress has defacto already delegated to the executive branch until they take it back.

(11-09-2025 03:31 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-09-2025 03:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-09-2025 01:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-09-2025 01:05 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Fox analysts are saying today that they think SCOTUS is going to strike down, or at least severely limit, Trump's tariff authority, and perhaps we will have to refund all tariffs collected to all countries except those who are a reasonable security threat to us, such as China.

I believe the worst case scenario is that they will say congress can control Trump and his tariffs, but wont stop Trump at this point because congress has basically ceded the power to the president to control tariffs for a majority of this country's existence. So, at most, the SC would say that they arent going to stop Trump's tariffs, but if congress wants to, they can reign him in by taking control of the tariffs back from the president. Basically, congress can control this, but because they have allowed presidents for almost 2 centuries to control it, they have essentially ceded that authority over to the president until they take it back.

Then again, they may say this is international in nature and falls under the executive branch altogether.

Can't Congress control Trump already, without any SCOTUS ruling? They could pass a law that makes it specific what he can and cannot do.

As you said, they just have never done it. To me, it would be hurtful for SCOTUS to jump in now and retroactively reverse all this.

Yes they could *if* this tariff power ultimately resides with congress. There is some question about that because this is international and not national.

But even if they say congress ultimately has control over this, they will also say that congress can delegate this power to the executive branch, as is done on a LOT of other things.

And they will also probably say that since presidents have done this for more than a century, that congress has defacto already delegated to the executive branch until they take it back.

"And they will also probably say that since presidents have done this for more than a century, that congress has defacto already delegated to the executive branch until they take it back"

This is what I'm hearing and I agree.

I agree, too. So end of discussion, lol.

(11-09-2025 04:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I agree, too. So end of discussion, lol.

Yep. That would make the most sense.