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RE: Let the blue areas implode
Sure, let the blue states keep 100% of their federal taxes and see what happens.
11-06-2025 08:32 PM
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RE: Let the blue areas implode
(11-06-2025 08:32 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Sure, let the blue states keep 100% of their federal taxes and see what happens.

Watch blue states squander it. Then watch federal dollars stop going to blue states.

That’s what’s gonna occur.

You lost. And it’s gonna get worse for you.
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RE: Let the blue areas implode
(11-06-2025 08:46 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:32 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Sure, let the blue states keep 100% of their federal taxes and see what happens.

Watch blue states squander it. Then watch federal dollars stop going to blue states.

That’s what’s gonna occur.

You lost. And it’s gonna get worse for you.

In 2024. Californians paid $276B more in federal taxes than the state got back. I think they will be fine.
11-06-2025 08:57 PM
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RE: Let the blue areas implode
(11-06-2025 08:00 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 07:49 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Colorado and Virginia were once red states. Look at them now.

Ohio and Florida used to be blue too.
Pennsylvania is next to turn red.

Pretty sure a lot of those folks will flee NYC and move to NC. Think NC will be blue soon too.
11-06-2025 08:59 PM
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(11-06-2025 08:59 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:00 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 07:49 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Colorado and Virginia were once red states. Look at them now.

Ohio and Florida used to be blue too.
Pennsylvania is next to turn red.

Pretty sure a lot of those folks will flee NYC and move to NC. Think NC will be blue soon too.

Yep. North Carolina is slipping away.
11-06-2025 09:03 PM
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My gosh there’s a lot of old women up in here.
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(11-06-2025 09:04 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  My gosh there’s a lot of old women up in here.

If living in reality offends you, tough s***.
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RE: Let the blue areas implode
(11-06-2025 08:46 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:32 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Sure, let the blue states keep 100% of their federal taxes and see what happens.

Watch blue states squander it. Then watch federal dollars stop going to blue states.

That’s what’s gonna occur.

You lost. And it’s gonna get worse for you.

Don't waste your breath on this r*****.
11-06-2025 09:07 PM
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RE: Let the blue areas implode
(11-06-2025 09:05 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 09:04 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  My gosh there’s a lot of old women up in here.

If living in reality offends you, tough s***.

I'm not offended. I'm disappointed.

Real Americans don't just give up. Real Americans fight. For 250 years Americans have fought. That's MY reality, and if that offends you, tough s***.

Whiny quitters don't deserve the glory that is being an American.

*shrug*
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(11-06-2025 06:31 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 06:00 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  What the “Blue States” do will eventually spill over into the “Red States”. The idea that their political development and public policy don't affect people who live in other places is just not true.

I don’t believe that. At least not all of it.

These people are going to screw everything up in those areas, the rest of the country will see it and that’s that.

I just refuse to believe that “the country is done” and “everything bleeds over.”

I just don’t believe that.

Well look what Newscum has done for California. And he’s the leading candidate for the presidency for the democrats. They are to stupid to recognize incompetence. They are a real danger to us all.
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(11-06-2025 10:03 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 06:31 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 06:00 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  What the “Blue States” do will eventually spill over into the “Red States”. The idea that their political development and public policy don't affect people who live in other places is just not true.

I don’t believe that. At least not all of it.

These people are going to screw everything up in those areas, the rest of the country will see it and that’s that.

I just refuse to believe that “the country is done” and “everything bleeds over.”

I just don’t believe that.

Well look what Newscum has done for California. And he’s the leading candidate for the presidency for the democrats. They are to stupid to recognize incompetence. They are a real danger to us all.

Yes, they indeed are. Just like the nutjobs here. But there are more of us than them.

That may expand and, in fact has.
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RE: Let the blue areas implode
(11-06-2025 08:57 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:46 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:32 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Sure, let the blue states keep 100% of their federal taxes and see what happens.

Watch blue states squander it. Then watch federal dollars stop going to blue states.

That’s what’s gonna occur.

You lost. And it’s gonna get worse for you.

In 2024. Californians paid $276B more in federal taxes than the state got back. I think they will be fine.

You think they are fine?
California has the highest amount of state and local government debt in the US, with liabilities over $500 billion and total liabilities exceeding $1 trillion when factoring in unfunded pension obligations.

Lol. Fine? 03-lmfao
11-06-2025 10:29 PM
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RE: Let the blue areas implode
(11-06-2025 10:29 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:57 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:46 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:32 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Sure, let the blue states keep 100% of their federal taxes and see what happens.

Watch blue states squander it. Then watch federal dollars stop going to blue states.

That’s what’s gonna occur.

You lost. And it’s gonna get worse for you.

In 2024. Californians paid $276B more in federal taxes than the state got back. I think they will be fine.

You think they are fine?
California has the highest amount of state and local government debt in the US, with liabilities over $500 billion and total liabilities exceeding $1 trillion when factoring in unfunded pension obligations.

Lol. Fine? 03-lmfao

Stop sending $286B more to the feds than they get back and they pay it off in two years.
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(11-06-2025 10:34 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 10:29 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:57 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:46 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:32 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Sure, let the blue states keep 100% of their federal taxes and see what happens.

Watch blue states squander it. Then watch federal dollars stop going to blue states.

That’s what’s gonna occur.

You lost. And it’s gonna get worse for you.

In 2024. Californians paid $276B more in federal taxes than the state got back. I think they will be fine.

You think they are fine?
California has the highest amount of state and local government debt in the US, with liabilities over $500 billion and total liabilities exceeding $1 trillion when factoring in unfunded pension obligations.

Lol. Fine? 03-lmfao

Stop sending $286B more to the feds than they get back and they pay it off in two years.

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
You’re certifiably delusional, which is why your side has no business being in charge of anything. Ever.
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RE: Let the blue areas implode
(11-06-2025 08:57 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:46 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:32 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Sure, let the blue states keep 100% of their federal taxes and see what happens.

Watch blue states squander it. Then watch federal dollars stop going to blue states.

That’s what’s gonna occur.

You lost. And it’s gonna get worse for you.

In 2024. Californians paid $276B more in federal taxes than the state got back. I think they will be fine.

You would think that, but the truth is that California is running a $20B deficit this year and that’s with Newsome counting money from the reserve account as “revenue”. The real deficit is around $60 billion.

Now factor in that California did receive $600 billion in federal funds and spent all of it. That would still be stuff that needed to be paid for.

Now factor in the 159,000 federal employees in the state that the govt could relocate.

Now factor in the 157,000 active duty military in the state and that 100,000 of them could be reassigned out of the state.

Now factor in that California companies receive at least $61 billion annually in federal contracts. Those contracts can be given to different companies outside the state or the companies in the state could be pressured to move to keep those contracts.
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Dems seem to never think things all the way through to a logical conclusion. They get stuck along the way.

Maybe that's why they're Dems.
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(11-07-2025 02:37 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Dems seem to never think things all the way through to a logical conclusion. They do a lot of damage along the way.

I understand the point that 450 (and others) are making in this thread. If whole sections of our country (Virginia very much included) are going to be this stupid and this selfish, they ought be be left to the consequences. The problem with this, as andy and others have argued, is that the damage is never so neatly confined to those who deserve it. It inevitably hurts the innocent as well.

Another observation: I disagree that this is just a Democrat problem. Conservatives ought to be, but are not, taking some serious lessons from Tuesday’s electoral wipeout. Yes, these were all blue states and cities. But the fact that the margins got worse, not better, from those in 2024 ought to register somewhere as a concern.

One explanation, and it is a fair one, is that Trump himself was not on the ballot. But if that’s what made the difference, bear in mind that he will not be on the ballot during the 2026 midterms either. And what does that say about the depth of the conservative movement? That we cannot effectively function without the active involvement of our orange daddy?

If I were Donald Trump, I would be appalled. He has done virtually everything right this past year. Yet none of it appears to make a difference to the voting public. Perhaps that is just a blue-state problem. But I think you guys are being more than a bit naive here.
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(11-07-2025 01:13 AM)banker Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:57 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:46 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:32 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Sure, let the blue states keep 100% of their federal taxes and see what happens.

Watch blue states squander it. Then watch federal dollars stop going to blue states.

That’s what’s gonna occur.

You lost. And it’s gonna get worse for you.

In 2024. Californians paid $276B more in federal taxes than the state got back. I think they will be fine.

You would think that, but the truth is that California is running a $20B deficit this year and that’s with Newsome counting money from the reserve account as “revenue”. The real deficit is around $60 billion.

Now factor in that California did receive $600 billion in federal funds and spent all of it. That would still be stuff that needed to be paid for.

Now factor in the 159,000 federal employees in the state that the govt could relocate.

Now factor in the 157,000 active duty military in the state and that 100,000 of them could be reassigned out of the state.

Now factor in that California companies receive at least $61 billion annually in federal contracts. Those contracts can be given to different companies outside the state or the companies in the state could be pressured to move to keep those contracts.

Yeah, that’s all counted in the “money California got back from the federal government” side of the ledger. Military spending, federal employees, federal programs.


After all that they still got back $286M less than they paid in.

They would be find if they weren’t subsidizing federal programs for a bunch of red states.
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Like talking to a wall.
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(11-07-2025 07:11 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(11-07-2025 01:13 AM)banker Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:57 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:46 PM)450bench Wrote:  
(11-06-2025 08:32 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Sure, let the blue states keep 100% of their federal taxes and see what happens.

Watch blue states squander it. Then watch federal dollars stop going to blue states.

That’s what’s gonna occur.

You lost. And it’s gonna get worse for you.

In 2024. Californians paid $276B more in federal taxes than the state got back. I think they will be fine.

You would think that, but the truth is that California is running a $20B deficit this year and that’s with Newsome counting money from the reserve account as “revenue”. The real deficit is around $60 billion.

Now factor in that California did receive $600 billion in federal funds and spent all of it. That would still be stuff that needed to be paid for.

Now factor in the 159,000 federal employees in the state that the govt could relocate.

Now factor in the 157,000 active duty military in the state and that 100,000 of them could be reassigned out of the state.

Now factor in that California companies receive at least $61 billion annually in federal contracts. Those contracts can be given to different companies outside the state or the companies in the state could be pressured to move to keep those contracts.

Yeah, that’s all counted in the “money California got back from the federal government” side of the ledger. Military spending, federal employees, federal programs.


After all that they still got back $286M less than they paid in.

They would be find if they weren’t subsidizing federal programs for a bunch of red states.

That must be why blue states are hemorrhaging people and business at such a high rate.
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