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The Week Climate Catastrophism Lost Its Grip
Quote:Last week may go down as the moment when the climate narrative finally cracked. In climate parlance, a “tipping point” occurred.

In the space of a few days, two events reached millions of people outside the usual scientific and media gatekeeping apparatus, and they both told the same heretical story: that the science of climate catastrophe isn’t nearly as settled, nor as dire, as we’ve been told.

First, the world’s most-watched podcaster, Joe Rogan, hosted two of the most-respected dissenting climate scientists alive, Dr. Richard Lindzen of MIT and Dr. William Happer of Princeton, for a long-form conversation about the actual evidence behind global warming claims. The second event came from inside the climate establishment itself: Ted Nordhaus, founder of the Breakthrough Institute and once a self-described climate activist, published an essay titled “Why I Stopped Being a Climate Catastrophist.”

Each, in its own way, exposed the gulf between scientific nuance and political narrative — and together they may mark a turning point in public understanding.

For years, the mainstream press and peer-review gatekeepers ensured that anyone who questioned climate orthodoxy was dismissed as a “denier.” That tactic doesn’t work when Joe Rogan, whose audience dwarfs CNN’s, sits across the table from two emeritus professors calmly explaining why CO₂ is not the planetary thermostat it’s made out to be.

Lindzen and Happer have impeccable credentials. They are not bloggers, not “influencers,” but physicists who spent decades inside the world’s top research institutions. Their message was simple: the climate system is complex, and the claim that we can fine-tune global temperature with carbon taxes and wind turbines is fantasy.

Happer recounted how, even in the 1990s, climate scientists were the only ones reluctant to defend their work in person, sensing, perhaps, that their models were “hollow and useless.” Lindzen reminded listeners that the warming so far is modest, that extreme-weather trends show no alarming increase, and that the benefits of CO₂ fertilization for global agriculture are real.

The reaction online was immediate and revealing. Within 24 hours, the episode had nearly a million YouTube views and thousands of comments cheering the guests for “finally telling the truth” about climate science. People who had never heard of radiative forcing or water-vapor feedback suddenly realized that skepticism wasn’t ignorance — it is the original scientific method at work.

Then, just as Rogan’s episode was trending, Ted Nordhaus dropped his own intellectual bombshell. His 7,000-word essay on the Breakthrough Journal’s site reads like a confession — and perhaps the most important one the climate movement has ever seen.

“I no longer believe this hyperbole,” Nordhaus writes, reflecting on his earlier predictions that fossil-fuel use would trigger wars and collapse the Amazon rainforest. He now acknowledges that the “business-as-usual” scenarios of five degrees warming by 2100 were never plausible — that they assumed absurdly high population growth, unrealistic economics, and slow technological progress. The best current estimates, he notes, are closer to three degrees or less.

Nordhaus goes further. He points out that despite 1.5 °C of warming since pre-industrial times, global mortality from climate and weather extremes has fallen by a factor of 25 on a per-capita basis — likely the lowest in recorded history. The increase in disaster losses, he observes, stems mainly from more people and property located in hazard-prone areas, not from stronger storms.

Perhaps most damningly, he admits that much of the climate community “simply shifted the locus of catastrophe.” When the models cooled, the rhetoric heated up. Science hadn’t become more certain; marketing had become more desperate.

For a founder of one of the green movement’s own think tanks to say this publicly is seismic. It is an insider’s acknowledgment that the line between climate science and climate politics has long since blurred.

The gatekeepers are losing control; what makes this week different is scale. Academic journals and major newspapers can still filter which studies or op-eds reach print. But they can’t filter Rogan’s audience of 10 million listeners. They can’t suppress a viral essay shared across platforms by readers hungry for honesty rather than apocalypse.

For years, the scientific establishment relied on social intimidation — the idea that only a crank would question “The Science.” Yet here we have one of America’s most prominent environmentalists conceding that catastrophism is unsupported, and two world-class scientists calmly walking through why CO₂ sensitivity is overstated. The curtain has been pulled back.

The irony, of course, is that both events appealed not to ideology but to data. Happer and Lindzen emphasized the lack of empirical evidence linking rising CO₂ directly to worsening weather. Nordhaus emphasized the historical record of human adaptation — the reality that modern infrastructure, technology, and wealth have made us less vulnerable to climate extremes, not more.

And both criticized the same thing: how fear has replaced science. “Highly educated people are often more likely to stubbornly hold onto erroneous beliefs because they are more expert at defending their ideological commitments,” Nordhaus writes, summarizing the groupthink that dominates academic and political institutions.

Public opinion doesn’t shift overnight, but it can pivot sharply when people sense they’ve been manipulated. Climate policy has become a trillion-dollar industry built on exaggerated forecasts and moral panic. When respected scientists and former activists both say the emperor has no clothes, the spell begins to break.

This week, millions heard arguments they were told didn’t exist — and discovered that reasoned skepticism isn’t denial, it’s sanity. They heard that uncertainty is not heresy, that data matters more than consensus, and that energy policies should serve humanity, not ideology.

If there is a real “tipping point” in climate discourse, it may not be in the atmosphere but in public consciousness — a shift away from fear toward evidence, from censorship toward open debate.

For decades, the establishment has insisted that questioning the narrative is dangerous. The real danger, as Lindzen, Happer, and now Nordhaus remind us, is what happens when we stop questioning at all.

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HELL FREEZES OVER: Noted Billionaire Climate Alarmist Bill Gates Slams “Doomsday” View of ‘Climate Change’ in Stunning New Memo


Quote:Arguably, the world’s most infamous billionaire climate alarmist has stunned the world by adopting a surprising change of tone on so-called ‘global warming’ in a setback to the green socialist movement.

On Tuesday, Microsoft founder Bill Gates published a 17-page memo on his website stating that the “doomsday” climate scenario that has been pushed in the past by people like him and Al Gore is wrong.

As TGP readers know, there have been multiple attempts to fool the world into believing that the Earth is about to burn out thanks to fossil fuels.

Now, Gates praises the progress in lowering emissions and criticizes the most extreme climate alarmists for focusing “too much on short-term emissions goals.”

What a shock.

From Gates:

There’s a doomsday view of climate change that goes like this:

In a few decades, cataclysmic climate change will decimate civilization. The evidence is all around us—just look at all the heat waves and storms caused by rising global temperatures. Nothing matters more than limiting the rise in temperature.

Fortunately for all of us, this view is wrong. Although climate change will have serious consequences—particularly for people in the poorest countries—it will not lead to humanity’s demise. People will be able to live and thrive in most places on Earth for the foreseeable future. Emissions projections have gone down, and with the right policies and investments, innovation will allow us to drive emissions down much further.

Unfortunately, the doomsday outlook is causing much of the climate community to focus too much on near-term emissions goals, and it’s diverting resources from the most effective things we should be doing to improve life in a warming world.


However, Gates still makes clear in his memo that he still considers ‘climate change’ a threat.

To be clear: Climate change is a very important problem. It needs to be solved, along with other problems like malaria and malnutrition. Every tenth of a degree of heating that we prevent is hugely beneficial because a stable climate makes it easier to improve people’s lives.

But as ABC reported, Gates believes the best approach now is to prevent deadly diseases and combat poverty rather than quibbling about the Earth warming by tenths of a degree.

“I’ll let the temperature go up 0.1 degree to get rid of malaria, Gates told reporters. “People don’t understand the suffering that exists today.”

Gates said he published his memo in hopes it would have a positive impact on November’s United Nations climate change conference in Belém, Brazil.

Considering how many of these international globalists regard him highly, listening to him now would be a welcome development.
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Anybody who didn't figure this out years ago is either a moron, a Dem acolyte, or wasn't paying attention at all.

The entire purpose of this scam is to do what the Dems try to do with everything. Funnel money to their NGOs to fund themselves, funnel money to friends to enrich them, and spew BS to keep control of the masses through fear and intimidation.
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(10-28-2025 12:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Anybody who didn't figure this out years ago is either a moron, a Dem acolyte, or wasn't paying attention at all.

I vote for all three.
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And the shift to... What do you think?

Global pandemics? Alien invasion? Ocean pollution?

Or just plain Communist revolution without the wolf's clothing?

What's the next attempt to enslave America?
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Even the famous 97% of climate scientists was a lie.

A professor had his students due a survey of about 10,000 articles, NOT just scientific articles. The results could more accurately be described as 70% did not believe global warming was caused by humans.
30% believed
3% said man had nothing to do with it
67% did not express an opinion either way.

Somehow, not a single article from the skeptical MIT scientist mentioned in the OP made it into the list. When asked, the professor refused to say how they selected the articles.
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(10-28-2025 01:49 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(10-28-2025 12:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Anybody who didn't figure this out years ago is either a moron, a Dem acolyte, or wasn't paying attention at all.

I vote for all three.

we live in the era of disinformation = ponzi-landia

it took a mistake by developing the clean room application to realize lead at the smallest quantities was harmful to humans ... ponder that thought for a momento...

the 'medicine man' is still thriving among us...
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(10-28-2025 02:48 PM)Claw Wrote:  And the shift to... What do you think?

Global pandemics? Alien invasion? Ocean pollution?

Or just plain Communist revolution without the wolf's clothing?

What's the next attempt to enslave America?

My guess will be transsexual parent rights. Legalizing forms of pedophila (sic)
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I listened to the Rogan podcast. I liked those guys, I think they made some good points especially around conformity and academic freedom and integrity.

However, they are also somewhat famously funded by fossil fuel companies so they are not immune to the same problem they accurately describe about money being the root of all evil.

IMO Rogan should have asked them about their funding and brought it up.
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Yea,
Can file this one under the “No schit Sherlock” title.

Anyone surprised or still yammering about this massive hoax, please go ask why Greta or Algore have completely abandoned this grift.

She’s now on her autistic fake journey to sail empty boats to feed people.

He’s hiding away in his 15,000 sq foot (or whatever it is) mansion, hoping the property tax or “carbon cops” don’t show up to drag his corpse out of his empty, lonely, grift provided “home”.
Alone.
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(10-28-2025 09:11 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  I listened to the Rogan podcast. I liked those guys, I think they made some good points especially around conformity and academic freedom and integrity.

However, they are also somewhat famously funded by fossil fuel companies so they are not immune to the same problem they accurately describe about money being the root of all evil.

IMO Rogan should have asked them about their funding and brought it up.


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What’s your complaint with “fossil” fuels?

How else would anyone get anything done?

Look around before you gargle, plz.
Thx
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If they're going to send us a new lefty recruit, I wish they would send a better version. This one needs to go back in the repair shop.
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(10-29-2025 04:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  If they're going to send us a new lefty recruit, I wish they would send a better version. This one needs to go back in the repair shop.

Yep.

Also, he, of course, got it wrong. It's the love of money is the root of all evil, not money itself. (Of course, he doesn't see the difference.)
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(10-29-2025 05:05 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  
(10-29-2025 04:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  If they're going to send us a new lefty recruit, I wish they would send a better version. This one needs to go back in the repair shop.

Yep.

Also, he, of course, got it wrong. It's the love of money is the root of all evil, not money itself. (Of course, he doesn't see the difference.)

Funny, I started to point that out, but decided it would be wasted on him. Big difference in phrasing. Libs seem to miss those things.

But you are correct, sir.
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(10-29-2025 05:05 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  
(10-29-2025 04:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  If they're going to send us a new lefty recruit, I wish they would send a better version. This one needs to go back in the repair shop.

Yep.

Also, he, of course, got it wrong. It's the love of money is the root of all evil, not money itself. (Of course, he doesn't see the difference.)

lol you guys are so funny you post your little snippets as long as they are parroting out what you already believe and do zero investigating.

Unlike you, I listened to the episode. And in the context of the episode, the guests on Rogan didn’t say the love of money, they said the money and they were talking about the sheer amount of it in Green initiatives.

And it’s a fair criticism. But also they never disclosed their source of funding are the companies at odds with green initiatives, who will suffer and be put out of business if different energy sources overtake fossil fuels
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(10-28-2025 10:49 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(10-28-2025 09:11 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  I listened to the Rogan podcast. I liked those guys, I think they made some good points especially around conformity and academic freedom and integrity.

However, they are also somewhat famously funded by fossil fuel companies so they are not immune to the same problem they accurately describe about money being the root of all evil.

IMO Rogan should have asked them about their funding and brought it up.


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What’s your complaint with “fossil” fuels?

How else would anyone get anything done?

Look around before you gargle, plz.
Thx

Even if you don’t believe that greenhouse gases contribute to global warming which could be a problem for us and other species, fossil fuels:

1. Are a finite resource we will run out of.
2. Are a national security concern as the control of them will spark wars (see:Venezuela)
3. Contribute other pollution that is deleterious to human health that is not in contention.
4. Extraction is costly and ruins environments (see:mountaintop removal **** Peabody energy)

I think we should use fossil fuels right now but be investing in finding alternate energy sources that are sustainable and responsible. Personally I find nuclear more reasonable than options like giant wind farms and solar farms which I find kind of dystopian and problematic in their own way.
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(10-29-2025 06:43 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(10-29-2025 05:05 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  
(10-29-2025 04:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  If they're going to send us a new lefty recruit, I wish they would send a better version. This one needs to go back in the repair shop.

Yep.

Also, he, of course, got it wrong. It's the love of money is the root of all evil, not money itself. (Of course, he doesn't see the difference.)

lol you guys are so funny you post your little snippets as long as they are parroting out what you already believe and do zero investigating.

Unlike you, I listened to the episode. And in the context of the episode, the guests on Rogan didn’t say the love of money, they said the money and they were talking about the sheer amount of it in Green initiatives.

And it’s a fair criticism. But also they never disclosed their source of funding are the companies at odds with green initiatives, who will suffer and be put out of business if different energy sources overtake fossil fuels

it's sad ewes don't understand what a subsidized hedge play is all about...
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(10-29-2025 06:43 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(10-29-2025 05:05 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  
(10-29-2025 04:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  If they're going to send us a new lefty recruit, I wish they would send a better version. This one needs to go back in the repair shop.

Yep.

Also, he, of course, got it wrong. It's the love of money is the root of all evil, not money itself. (Of course, he doesn't see the difference.)

lol you guys are so funny you post your little snippets as long as they are parroting out what you already believe and do zero investigating.

Unlike you, I listened to the episode. And in the context of the episode, the guests on Rogan didn’t say the love of money, they said the money and they were talking about the sheer amount of it in Green initiatives.

And it’s a fair criticism. But also they never disclosed their source of funding are the companies at odds with green initiatives, who will suffer and be put out of business if different energy sources overtake fossil fuels

That doesn't change the parable on which that is based, doofus.

I wasn't commenting on the podcast at all. Don't even know the subject, and don't care. And not spending 3 hours to listen to it. Did you listen to all 3 hours, Einstein?
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(10-29-2025 06:54 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(10-29-2025 06:43 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(10-29-2025 05:05 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  
(10-29-2025 04:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  If they're going to send us a new lefty recruit, I wish they would send a better version. This one needs to go back in the repair shop.

Yep.

Also, he, of course, got it wrong. It's the love of money is the root of all evil, not money itself. (Of course, he doesn't see the difference.)

lol you guys are so funny you post your little snippets as long as they are parroting out what you already believe and do zero investigating.

Unlike you, I listened to the episode. And in the context of the episode, the guests on Rogan didn’t say the love of money, they said the money and they were talking about the sheer amount of it in Green initiatives.

And it’s a fair criticism. But also they never disclosed their source of funding are the companies at odds with green initiatives, who will suffer and be put out of business if different energy sources overtake fossil fuels

it's sad ewes don't understand what (fill in the blank) is all about...

FIFY 04-cheers
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(10-29-2025 06:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(10-29-2025 06:43 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(10-29-2025 05:05 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  
(10-29-2025 04:29 AM)TripleA Wrote:  If they're going to send us a new lefty recruit, I wish they would send a better version. This one needs to go back in the repair shop.

Yep.

Also, he, of course, got it wrong. It's the love of money is the root of all evil, not money itself. (Of course, he doesn't see the difference.)

lol you guys are so funny you post your little snippets as long as they are parroting out what you already believe and do zero investigating.

Unlike you, I listened to the episode. And in the context of the episode, the guests on Rogan didn’t say the love of money, they said the money and they were talking about the sheer amount of it in Green initiatives.

And it’s a fair criticism. But also they never disclosed their source of funding are the companies at odds with green initiatives, who will suffer and be put out of business if different energy sources overtake fossil fuels

That doesn't change the parable on which that is based, doofus.

I wasn't commenting on the podcast at all. Don't even know the subject, and don't care. And not spending 3 hours to listen to it. Did you listen to all 3 hours, Einstein?

nothing you could ever say could ever be more MAGA than this.


yeah I did because I was curious about it. Unlike MAGA, i'm not interested in only engaging in confirmation bias and listening to echo chambers.

It was 2hr16 on 1.5 speed so perfect for after bedtime chores and doing a little work before bed. It was engaging and interesting, and more importantly I learned some things.

I know learning is anathema to the MAGA agenda, but really if you're going to sit around and call things scams and act like you have the answers to everything you should at least do a bare minimum of investigation.
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Which still doesn't change the fact that the parable was mangled, which was our only point, Mr. High and Mighty.

What is it with you lefties not being able to follow a conversation in English?

Damn, dude, you need to go to remedial message board class.
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