Quote:JUST IN: The moment President Trump says he doesn't think he can get into heaven

"I don't think there's anything that's gonna get me in heaven. I really don't. I think I'm not, maybe, heaven-bound."

"I may be in heaven right now as we fly in Air Force One. I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to make heaven. But I've made life better for a lot of people."

The biggest mistake he is making here (and I know there are some Christians around him telling him this) is that YOU CANNOT "EARN" OR WORK YOUR WAY INTO HEAVEN.

That is NOT how this works, that is not what Jesus died for and that is not what the Bible teaches.

No matter how many times you try to tell some people this, they just refuse to hear or believe it. Its an ego and pride thing, but some people just refuse to believe its not about earning or working your way in.

You have to totally surrender your pride and accept the fact that grace and faith is the only way in. It will NEVER be about what YOU do, its all about what HE did for us. Genuine, salvation based faith is always followed by fruits and works. That is how you know its real. But its not "earned" or a process that is completed by works and faith. Those are simply byproducts of genuine faith and salvation.

Pride was Satan's original sin and its the biggest roadblock for so many people even today.

Here’s a situation where Charlie could have offered some clarity. As Eric mentioned above you can’t earn your way in.

Whenever this subject comes up I immediately remember the thief being crucified next to Jesus. The thief did nothing but acknowledge that Jesus was the Son of God and believed in him for his salvation.

The repentant thief:
"Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom" (Luke 23:42).

Jesus's response: "Verily I say unto thee, today shalt thou be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43).

It’s a simple exchange yet one of the most powerful, meaningful conversations in the Bible.

Since we’re on the subject. One of my favorite songs by one of my favorite bands. My prayer is if you don’t know Jesus as your Lord and Savior this video might help you find that peace.

C’mon guys. Trump trolling is meant for the left, not the right.

There are, I believe, three explanations for this statement:

—> Donald Trump is being uncharacteristically humble and self-aware of his own personal failings;
—> Donald Trump is being characteristically strategic in his statements, and defusing any false attempt by the weasely reporters suggesting that he needs to be more “Christian” in his approach; or
—> Donald Trump is trolling.

I doubt it is the first. It might be the second option. But I think it’s the third.

Remember the rule for understanding Donald Trump: leftists take him literally, but not seriously. Conservatives take him seriously, but not literally. I think that rule applies here.

(10-13-2025 05:21 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  C’mon guys. Trump trolling is meant for the left, not the right.

There are, I believe, three explanations for this statement:

—> Donald Trump is being uncharacteristically humble and self-aware of his own personal failings;
—> Donald Trump is being characteristically strategic in his statements, and defusing any false attempt by the weasely reporters suggesting that he needs to be more “Christian” in his approach; or
—> Donald Trump is trolling.

I doubt it is the first. It might be the second option. But I think it’s the third.

Remember the rule for understanding Donald Trump: leftists take him literally, but not seriously. Conservatives take him seriously, but not literally. I think that rule applies here.

He's not just trolling imo.

This is not the first time he has touched on this or the only context it was in. I've listened closely to all he has said on this topic since 2016 and it tracks with his view on this throughout. So its not something I based off this single comment.

No one can truly know what is in his heart but his words on this have spoke pretty clealry since the day he came down that escalator. He believes he has to earn his way into heaven, and he never will. Its not possible for anyone.

He is surrounded by several knowledgeable Christians and had Charlie Kirk in his inner circle for quite a while, so I know some of these men are telling him that's not how this works. But some people just can't hear that no matter how much its explained to them.

The fact that he has so many genuine Christians in his orbit is also why he thinks about this and occasionally talks about it publicly imo. I know if I had his ear I would bring it up too when the time was right.

Its incredibly hard for a powerful uber rich man to come to salvation though, as Jesus said its easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. But Christ also said all things are possible through God.

(10-13-2025 05:02 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Here’s a situation where Charlie could have offered some clarity. As Eric mentioned above you can’t earn your way in.

Whenever this subject comes up I immediately remember the thief being crucified next to Jesus. The thief did nothing but acknowledge that Jesus was the Son of God and believed in him for his salvation.

The repentant thief:
"Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom" (Luke 23:42).

Jesus's response: "Verily I say unto thee, today shalt thou be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43).

It’s a simple exchange yet one of the most powerful, meaningful conversations in the Bible.

Since we’re on the subject. One of my favorite songs by one of my favorite bands. My prayer is if you don’t know Jesus as your Lord and Savior this video might help you find that peace.

Dadgummit Jim, that was beautiful. Now my eyes are all leaky.

Amen.

I think he's about half joking, half serious.

Do you really want to be with a bunch of mocking and hateful leftist?

Trump: uhm no.

Let's confirm your place in heaven so you have assurance.

I agree with Eric. Trump isn't trolling. However misguided, I think he believes what he is saying. If so, some Christians around him need to have a talk with him.

I doubt he would troll on this subject. My opinion from afar is he wasn't a Christian before the first assassination attempt, and that changed his outlook, but I think he doesn't correctly understand Christian beliefs.

Unlike the many Leftists causing havoc all over the world at least he acknowledges that there is a heaven. Most Leftist don't believe it.

I think that he has drawn many people to God with his preaching about God, in his own way. His actions are one of peace unless you ask Leftists again if he does. They'll of course say no.

One good example are the many who don't give him credit for helping end so many conflicts. Does the Left acknowledge this? Of course not. Nothing Trump does in their eyes is positive about Trump.

Just look at what Oblunder wrote concerning the Hamas-Israeli war. Did he even mention Trumps name? No, because that would be admitting that Trump played a very vital war in it's ending.

I couldn't tell you whether he'll go to heaven or not, that's what Jesus does but I believe that Trump truly has a love of God and is trying his best to make Jesus proud of him. Every son wants his father to be proud of him, (I know my sons have told me so), especially the One who created us.

Works come from Faith because in our quest to please God and man we help people and want to live right. We cannot earn our way to heaven as some religions believe.

Trump is a, you are who you make yourself person. The idea of heaven being a gift thru Christ suffering as an atonement for what you do is very strange to him.

I pray the day comes when he can make that step of faith, but it will be very hard for him to do.

(10-13-2025 09:34 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Trump is a, you are who you make yourself person. The idea of heaven being a gift thru Christ suffering as an atonement for what you do is very strange to him.

I pray the day comes when he can make that step of faith, but it will be very hard for him to do.

It comes from years of following Christ. My SIL would stay quiet when I would tell her that I knew I was going to heaven and that God doesn't lie. It's a strange idea to some who don't know God.

(10-13-2025 09:25 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  I couldn't tell you whether he'll go to heaven or not, that's what Jesus does but I believe that Trump truly has a love of God and is trying his best to make Jesus proud of him. Every son wants his father to be proud of him, (I know my sons have told me so), especially the One who created us.

Works come from Faith because in our quest to please God and man we help people and want to live right. We cannot earn our way to heaven as some religions believe.

I promise, I am not trying to be provocative or quarrelsome here. I have absolutely no standing to weigh in on matters of faith. I instead am mostly confused by religion, particularly when discussed in the context of our political leaders.

I happen to think (but sometimes question) that there is a God who created us. I do know for an historical certainty that the Judeo-Christian faith defines western culture and in doing so has helped to make the world a better place. But that might just be happenstance. And if God the creator is actively involved in our world, he often seems to be more of a neglectful parent.

ollie's post is a fair illustration. If Trump is being sincere in his statement (and I for one still think that we was just trolling), then I agree that he appears in this peace effort to be trying to make Jesus proud of him - - i.e., earn his favor with God. And that is a very healthy thing. I much prefer thinking that his motivations are being influenced by at least one power that he recognizes to be greater than him. And I have no problem with the concept of Donald Trump striving to earn God's favor. I wholly agree with the first bolded sentence in ollie's post.

Which, to my ignorant mind, makes the second bolded sentence completely meaningless. God gave all of us free will - - or so I am frequently told. If I am not using my free will to earn God's favor - - i.e., do what it right - - then I am a bad person. If God nevertheless still wants to save me despite myself, then I am one lucky guy. But if that is so, then I have to wonder why we care one bit about religion in a societal sense. It is purely a person-by-person thing.

And that may be what Trump was actually saying to the reporters. None of you microphone nerds, nor frankly anyone else for that matter, have anything to say about where I fall on the saved versus not-saved spectrum. So stuff it with your religious obsession and let's focus on what matters - - an extraordinary peace deal that has the potential to upend 3,000 years of strife.

(10-13-2025 09:34 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Trump is a, you are who you make yourself person. The idea of heaven being a gift thru Christ suffering as an atonement for what you do is very strange to him.

I pray the day comes when he can make that step of faith, but it will be very hard for him to do.

I used a lot of words to say what you have summed up in two sentences.

The difference is that I have no problem with that.

(10-13-2025 09:34 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Trump is a, you are who you make yourself person. The idea of heaven being a gift thru Christ suffering as an atonement for what you do is very strange to him.

I pray the day comes when he can make that step of faith, but it will be very hard for him to do.

Agreed, but I believe that ship has long since sailed.

He's the antithesis to pretty much everything Christian.

Doubtful he's ever read The Bible and he likely has no prayer life. Doubtful he's ever sought forgiveness for his sins...if he can even acknowledge he's a sinner. It's clear he worships money and power and he hardly ever goes to church outside of the yearly prayer breakfast photo-ops and the random funeral.

It's really pretty sad that the Christian establishment just ignores all that and embraces him pretty much solely because he used them on their one key issue, abortion. And pretty sure he's still pro-choice as he was back in the day. Heck, that same establishment seemed to call out a guy like Biden, when it's more than evident Biden at least made attempts to be a good Christian.

(10-13-2025 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-13-2025 09:34 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Trump is a, you are who you make yourself person. The idea of heaven being a gift thru Christ suffering as an atonement for what you do is very strange to him.

I pray the day comes when he can make that step of faith, but it will be very hard for him to do.

Agreed, but I believe that ship has long since sailed.

He's the antithesis to pretty much everything Christian.

Doubtful he's ever read The Bible and he likely has no prayer life. Doubtful he's ever sought forgiveness for his sins...if he can even acknowledge he's a sinner. It's clear he worships money and power and he hardly ever goes to church outside of the yearly prayer breakfast photo-ops and the random funeral.

It's really pretty sad that the Christian establishment just ignores all that and embraces him pretty much solely because he used them on their one key issue, abortion. And pretty sure he's still pro-choice as he was back in the day. Heck, that same establishment seemed to call out a guy like Biden, when it's more than evident Biden at least made attempts to be a good Christian.

Its pretty sad that you comment on Christians when you don't understand them. You certainly don't understand Biden either.

I suggest you look up Cyrus the Great who allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem.

Someone quoted Red and I read it.

You're speculating as to how strong Trumps belief in God is. Trump is like Teddy R., he believed in the adage, "speak softly but carry a big stick". You can do more with diplomacy than with guns...in most cases. As president one has to deal with rogue nations harshly sometimes because you are representing the nation as a whole for its betterment. You can have a lily livered leader as every nation will take advantage of you and the nation will suffer, i.e., see Joe Bidens rule. As an example, Biden insulted the Saudi's and then went begging for oil, that's not leadership, that's being a dumb S.

You are not the judge of whether Trump is Christian enough or not. What's that Bible passage, hmm, "don't look at the splinter in your brothers eye and not see the 2X4 in yours"...I changed it a little. In a nutshell, you are the last person that should be making judgments.

(10-13-2025 04:47 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The biggest mistake he is making here (and I know there are some Christians around him telling him this) is that YOU CANNOT "EARN" OR WORK YOUR WAY INTO HEAVEN.

That is NOT how this works, that is not what Jesus died for and that is not what the Bible teaches.

No matter how many times you try to tell some people this, they just refuse to hear or believe it. Its an ego and pride thing, but some people just refuse to believe its not about earning or working your way in.

You have to totally surrender your pride and accept the fact that grace and faith is the only way in. It will NEVER be about what YOU do, its all about what HE did for us. Genuine, salvation based faith is always followed by fruits and works. That is how you know its real. But its not "earned" or a process that is completed by works and faith. Those are simply byproducts of genuine faith and salvation.

Pride was Satan's original sin and its the biggest roadblock for so many people even today.

That was the first thing I noticed as well. That said---I think he was just showing some humility---or maybe trying some self effacing humor there. Im not convinced he was being super serious with those quotes because I think he knows what you posted above.

(10-13-2025 10:47 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-13-2025 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-13-2025 09:34 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Trump is a, you are who you make yourself person. The idea of heaven being a gift thru Christ suffering as an atonement for what you do is very strange to him.

I pray the day comes when he can make that step of faith, but it will be very hard for him to do.

Agreed, but I believe that ship has long since sailed.

He's the antithesis to pretty much everything Christian.

Doubtful he's ever read The Bible and he likely has no prayer life. Doubtful he's ever sought forgiveness for his sins...if he can even acknowledge he's a sinner. It's clear he worships money and power and he hardly ever goes to church outside of the yearly prayer breakfast photo-ops and the random funeral.

It's really pretty sad that the Christian establishment just ignores all that and embraces him pretty much solely because he used them on their one key issue, abortion. And pretty sure he's still pro-choice as he was back in the day. Heck, that same establishment seemed to call out a guy like Biden, when it's more than evident Biden at least made attempts to be a good Christian.

Its pretty sad that you comment on Christians when you don't understand them. You certainly don't understand Biden either.

I suggest you look up Cyrus the Great who allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem.

Born into a Christian home with Christian parents and family, and went to church my whole life. I understand Christians just fine.