(06-30-2025 03:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-30-2025 03:18 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(06-30-2025 03:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-30-2025 03:06 PM)mlb Wrote:  Called what? I never said DOGE was bad. I said they've been underwhelming. After the promises of $2T to find barely a fraction of it, I'm not impressed. Quite frankly, outside of USAID I don't know they've found anything of substance.

I don't see how this is anything DOGE would have uncovered or been able to. This appears to involve foreign criminal enterprises for the most part. I would have to imagine they've been working on this for quite awhile.

The article mentions the DOJ but nothing about DOGE. This is the part that jumped ou to me:

Quote:Those charged include 93 doctors and other medical professionals accused of submitting false claims to government healthcare programs like Medicare and Medicaid.

My guess is there are a TON more docs out there doing the exact same thing. If anything, hopefully this event will keep the watchdogs looking more closely, be that the DOJ or DOGE or whoever, as long as the criminals are persecuted, and if found to be actual doctors, those doctors also lose their medical license.

This was a MASSIVE undertaking...so this had to been going on for quite awhile.

Here's a link to the DOJ report which has links to indictments and all sorts of information.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/national-...n-over-146

Here's a list of who was involved:

Quote:Principal Assistant Deputy Chief Jacob Foster, Assistant Deputy Chief Rebecca Yuan, Trial Attorney Miriam L. Glaser Dauermann, and Data Analyst Elizabeth Nolte, all of the Health Care Fraud Unit of the Criminal Division’s Fraud Section, led and coordinated this year’s Takedown. The cases are being prosecuted by the Health Care Fraud Unit’s National Rapid Response, Florida, Gulf Coast, Los Angeles, Midwest, New England, Northeast, and Texas Strike Forces; U.S. Attorneys’ Offices for the District of Arizona, Central District of California, Northern District of California, Southern District of California, District of Columbia, District of Connecticut, District of Delaware, Middle District of Florida, Northern District of Florida, Southern District of Florida, Middle District of Georgia, District of Idaho, Northern District of Illinois, Eastern District of Kentucky, Western District of Kentucky, Eastern District of Louisiana, Middle District of Louisiana, District of Maine, District of Massachusetts, Eastern District of Michigan, Western District of Michigan, Northern District of Mississippi, Southern District of Mississippi, District of Montana, District of Nevada, District of New Hampshire, District of New Jersey, Eastern District of New York, Northern District of New York, Southern District of New York, Western District of New York, Eastern District of North Carolina, Western District of North Carolina, District of North Dakota, Northern District of Ohio, Southern District of Ohio, Northern District of Oklahoma, Western District of Oklahoma, District of Oregon, Eastern District of Pennsylvania, District of South Carolina, Middle District of Tennessee, Western District of Tennessee, Northern District of Texas, Southern District of Texas, Western District of Texas, District of Vermont, Eastern District of Virginia, Western District of Washington, and Northern District of West Virginia; and State Attorneys General’s Offices for California, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and Wisconsin. The Health Care Fraud Unit’s Data Analytics Team used cutting-edge data analytics to identify and support the investigations that led to these charges.

In addition to FBI, HHS-OIG, DEA, and CMS, HSI, VA-OIG, IRS Criminal Investigation, Defense Criminal Investigative Service, Department of Labor, United States Postal Service Office of Inspector General, Office of Personnel Management Office of Inspector General, and other federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies participated in the operation. The Medicaid Fraud Control Units of California, the District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin also participated in the investigation of many of the federal and state cases announced today.

The Fraud Section leads the Criminal Division’s efforts to combat health care fraud through the Health Care Fraud Strike Forces. Prior to the charges announced as part of today’s nationwide Takedown and since its inception in March 2007, the Health Care Fraud Strike Force, which operates in 27 districts, charged more than 5,400 defendants who collectively billed Medicare, Medicaid, and private health insurers more than $27 billion.

no doubt ... it may make one wonder why it's being released now vs. the past admin, eh...

dayum, they got both poles in the 'sip ...

That deaf dumb and blind kid
Sure plays a mean gaslight!

(Tom's theme song, sung to the tune of this song.)





Man, I should've been born an Englishman. lol (Had to steal your bit, stink! )

(06-30-2025 03:29 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Yep. Even the Deaf Dumb and Blind Kid (Tom) showed up.

Seek help.

#RWTDS

Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. (Proverbs 18:2)

One of my best friends started a home healthcare equipment business and his primary source of income was Medicare. He pretty much got rich off of it and sold the business 10 years later to retire at age 45. I asked him once about the nature of basically doing business with Medicare as his sole source of income. He told me that he could probably have retired with 4 times as much money had he participated in any number of scams he was presented with. He said that if you knew how to play the game you could make plenty of money without having to cheat and there was peace of mind in knowing that you were clean, doing things the right way.

(06-30-2025 03:36 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-30-2025 03:22 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-30-2025 03:18 PM)VA49er Wrote:  The article mentions the DOJ but nothing about DOGE.

Correct, but oruvoice seems to think DOGE actually had a hand in it. That is why I asked if they actually did something here. It doesn't appear they did jack.

Would it make you feel better to just say the Trump administration deserves the credit?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Sure, you can say that. He is the current president. But since the players in the game have likely been there for a decade or more I'm not sure that is the correct answer.

We need to differentiate here.

There are two totally different kinds of government fraud.

Fraud by the government staff.

Citizens defrauding the government.

Two different things. One DOGE guy said the other day he didn't see much waste and fraud by the government employees. That's good, but it doesn't address the second type of fraud at all. It looks like that is where the money is.

(07-01-2025 09:25 AM)mlb Wrote:  Sure, you can say that. He is the current president. But since the players in the game have likely been there for a decade or more I'm not sure that is the correct answer.

And in case this got lost in the DOJ release...

Quote:The Fraud Section leads the Criminal Division’s efforts to combat health care fraud through the Health Care Fraud Strike Forces. Prior to the charges announced as part of today’s nationwide Takedown and since its inception in March 2007, the Health Care Fraud Strike Force, which operates in 27 districts, charged more than 5,400 defendants who collectively billed Medicare, Medicaid, and private health insurers more than $27 billion.

(07-01-2025 09:25 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-30-2025 03:36 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(06-30-2025 03:22 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(06-30-2025 03:18 PM)VA49er Wrote:  The article mentions the DOJ but nothing about DOGE.

Correct, but oruvoice seems to think DOGE actually had a hand in it. That is why I asked if they actually did something here. It doesn't appear they did jack.

Would it make you feel better to just say the Trump administration deserves the credit?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Sure, you can say that. He is the current president. But since the players in the game have likely been there for a decade or more I'm not sure that is the correct answer.

Got it. Well, thanks to Clinton, Obama & Biden for this development.

(07-01-2025 09:33 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Got it. Well, thanks to Clinton, Obama & Biden for this development.

You are an absolute clown. I never gave credit to them, just like I don't give DOGE credit for things they didn't actually do.

P.S. I voted for Trump and generally like his policies.

Tom tried to score points for his side. The only problem is the case he posted about was from March 2007, which was during George W. Bush's second term in the White House. A Republican president.

lol Oops.

(07-01-2025 09:35 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(07-01-2025 09:33 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Got it. Well, thanks to Clinton, Obama & Biden for this development.

You are an absolute clown.

Well, at least you got that part right.

(07-01-2025 09:36 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Tom tried to score points for his side. The only problem is the case he posted about was from March 2007, which was during George W. Bush's second term in the White House. A Republican president.

lol Oops.

Read again, clown boy. I only posted what was posted in the DOJ release about this bust...that the Health Care Fraud Strike Force was created in 2007...which supported the comment by mlb that the players in the game have likely been there for a decade or more.

This only points scored here were for all of us a whole by bringing down bad guys. YOU seem to be the one wanting to score points for team trump, acting like this sweeping and massive operation was something that just materialized in the last 6 months.

lol No. Your party, Mr. Deaf Dumb and Blind, actively fights to keep illegal aliens in this country. We're finally actively fighting to get them out.

And again, which president did it start under? Not Biden, not Obama, not even Trump during his first administration. It was George W. Bush, a Republican. So again, you've torpedoed your own point.

Go back to playing a mean gaslight, Deaf Dumb and Blind.

(07-01-2025 10:06 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  lol No. Your party, Mr. Deaf Dumb and Blind, actively fights to keep illegal aliens in this country. We're finally actively fighting to get them out.

And again, which president did it start under? Not Biden, not Obama, not even Trump during his first administration. It was George W. Bush, a Republican. So again, you've torpedoed your own point.

Go back to playing a mean gaslight, Deaf Dumb and Blind.

I DON'T GIVE A **** WHICH PRESIDENT IT STARTED UNDER, clown show. And WTF does any of this have to do with illegal aliens or political parties? And did you not see how many state governments were involved in this...many of them blue states?

FFS, you're ignorant.

(07-01-2025 10:11 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-01-2025 10:06 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  lol No. Your party, Mr. Deaf Dumb and Blind, actively fights to keep illegal aliens in this country. We're finally actively fighting to get them out.

And again, which president did it start under? Not Biden, not Obama, not even Trump during his first administration. It was George W. Bush, a Republican. So again, you've torpedoed your own point.

Go back to playing a mean gaslight, Deaf Dumb and Blind.

I DON'T GIVE A **** WHICH PRESIDENT IT STARTED UNDER, clown show. And WTF does any of this have to do with illegal aliens or political parties? And did you not see how many state governments were involved in this...many of them blue states?

FFS, you're ignorant.

(07-01-2025 10:14 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-01-2025 10:11 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-01-2025 10:06 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  lol No. Your party, Mr. Deaf Dumb and Blind, actively fights to keep illegal aliens in this country. We're finally actively fighting to get them out.

And again, which president did it start under? Not Biden, not Obama, not even Trump during his first administration. It was George W. Bush, a Republican. So again, you've torpedoed your own point.

Go back to playing a mean gaslight, Deaf Dumb and Blind.

I DON'T GIVE A **** WHICH PRESIDENT IT STARTED UNDER, clown show. And WTF does any of this have to do with illegal aliens or political parties? And did you not see how many state governments were involved in this...many of them blue states?

FFS, you're ignorant.

King Gaslighter's gonna keep gaslighting.

(07-01-2025 10:11 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-01-2025 10:06 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  lol No. Your party, Mr. Deaf Dumb and Blind, actively fights to keep illegal aliens in this country. We're finally actively fighting to get them out.

And again, which president did it start under? Not Biden, not Obama, not even Trump during his first administration. It was George W. Bush, a Republican. So again, you've torpedoed your own point.

Go back to playing a mean gaslight, Deaf Dumb and Blind.

I DON'T GIVE A **** WHICH PRESIDENT IT STARTED UNDER

Yes you do. It's all you care about. If this happened under Biden, you'd be singing his praises. Liar.

(07-01-2025 10:21 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(07-01-2025 10:11 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-01-2025 10:06 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  lol No. Your party, Mr. Deaf Dumb and Blind, actively fights to keep illegal aliens in this country. We're finally actively fighting to get them out.

And again, which president did it start under? Not Biden, not Obama, not even Trump during his first administration. It was George W. Bush, a Republican. So again, you've torpedoed your own point.

Go back to playing a mean gaslight, Deaf Dumb and Blind.

I DON'T GIVE A **** WHICH PRESIDENT IT STARTED UNDER

Yes you do. It's all you care about. If this happened under Biden, you'd be singing his praises. Liar.

Yep. Biden or Obama. But because it wasn't under either one, he suddenly says he doesn't care.

Again, gaslighters gonna gaslight.

Quote:Update:
Public corruption will not be tolerated as the Director and I vigorously pursue bad actors who violated their oaths to all of us.

We view the theft of public funds the same way. It’s a crime against all of us. Today, in conjunction with the DOJ and our federal partners, we are announcing the results from the largest healthcare fraud investigation, as measured by financial losses, in DOJ history.

The investigation spanned 50 federal districts, and resulted in nearly 3 billion dollars in false claims with over 15 million illegal distributions of pills. We seized 245 million dollars, we charged 324 defendants, 96 medical professionals, and the intended losses from these bad actors approached 15 billion dollars.

Results matter. Talk is cheap. And this is not even the beginning of the beginning. If you’re stealing from the public, or violating your oath to serve, then we’re coming for you too.

God bless America, and all those who defend Her. ??