(06-23-2025 01:09 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  someone was telling me that the bases were targeted, I told her that that's not news, they've done it before.

The Iranians are just trying to save face otherwise the world would think they are weak, but now they are (weak) after the last few days. They're running out of missiles for one.

I wonder if Trump will just let them get it out of their system since all missiles were intercepted and no one was hurt, as far as we know.

They're running out of missiles and Israel is running out of missile defense.

I expect getting more missiles is easier than reloading the iron dome.

(06-23-2025 12:20 PM)hburg Wrote:  Oil prices are dropping becauss of the weak response from Iran.... So much for $150 crude oil prices many were predicting.

This one is worth applying the 48 hour rule.

(06-23-2025 01:09 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  someone was telling me that the bases were targeted, I told her that that's not news, they've done it before.

The Iranians are just trying to save face otherwise the world would think they are weak, but now they are (weak) after the last few days. They're running out of missiles for one.

I wonder if Trump will just let them get it out of their system since all missiles were intercepted and no one was hurt, as far as we know.

They are running out of launchers too. Every time they fire Israel traces the source and removes it. Iran is still in the 80s with Russia.

(06-23-2025 01:18 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(06-23-2025 12:20 PM)hburg Wrote:  Oil prices are dropping becauss of the weak response from Iran.... So much for $150 crude oil prices many were predicting.

This one is worth applying the 48 hour rule.

I think the whole affair requires the 48 hour rule. The US shouldn't retaliate just yet. Everyone knows in wars when the escalation is winding down the enemy has to save face...most times.

Looks like the Iranians are ready to talk.

(06-23-2025 01:16 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-23-2025 01:09 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  someone was telling me that the bases were targeted, I told her that that's not news, they've done it before.

The Iranians are just trying to save face otherwise the world would think they are weak, but now they are (weak) after the last few days. They're running out of missiles for one.

I wonder if Trump will just let them get it out of their system since all missiles were intercepted and no one was hurt, as far as we know.

They're running out of missiles and Israel is running out of missile defense.

I expect getting more missiles is easier than reloading the iron dome.

Israel can produce more and buy more. How is Iran gonna get more? Allah?

(06-23-2025 01:51 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(06-23-2025 01:16 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-23-2025 01:09 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  someone was telling me that the bases were targeted, I told her that that's not news, they've done it before.

The Iranians are just trying to save face otherwise the world would think they are weak, but now they are (weak) after the last few days. They're running out of missiles for one.

I wonder if Trump will just let them get it out of their system since all missiles were intercepted and no one was hurt, as far as we know.

They're running out of missiles and Israel is running out of missile defense.

I expect getting more missiles is easier than reloading the iron dome.

Israel can produce more and buy more. How is Iran gonna get more? Allah?

Sometime I believe people just dont 'think'

Israel really doesnt need cash, to buy what is needed where only Russia would be willing to fund Iran. They have their own problems so they not stepping up and wasting missiles on Iran. If Israel needed it a line of credit would not be hard for them to work out.

Iran is about to get a lot poorer and even more cutoff from what they need to cause destruction

(06-23-2025 02:33 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Tom will have to Ok this, calling himself the oil and gas expert.

Fox is reporting that Iran gave us a warning ahead of time before launching missiles toward Qatar and Iraq.

13 of 14 missiles were shot down, and the 14th was allowed to land harmlessly in a non-inhabited area.

Iran is so afraid of Trump and is in such a weak state that they’re looking for save-face action and exit-ramp strategy

(06-23-2025 01:48 PM)hburg Wrote:  Looks like the Iranians are ready to talk.

Thats what I think. Clearly a face saving attack designed to not escalate the situation. They know they have no defense and they are starting to worry about just being able to hang on to power in Iran (which is far more important to them). Time to cut a deal and end this conflict. Notice how quickly the iranians changed once the "stick" was used (all that time, and the carrot didnt seem to get us anywhere at all).

The same needs to happen in Ukraine. lol---and no---Im not suggesting we use B2 bombers there. Im suggesting we sell Ukraine about a million 155mm artillery shells and plenty of anti-aircraft missiles. That will make it very difficult for Russia to make any head way on the front lines by eliminating their artillery advantage (without escalating the conflict with new more destructive weapons) and make it difficult for Russia to continue terrorizing the civilian population in the Ukrainian cities. At that point, its going to become clear to Putin that there is no hope of attaining all his goals by just containing to grind away on the battlefield. Only when that realization is reached---will we see Putin become willing to negotiate a reasonable lasting peace for that region. There is no reason a good compromise deal that is good for both sides cannot be reached.

How does an attack which they warned us about and that did no damage “save face”? I don’t understand this, but, if it gets us to the end of this conflict, I’m good with it.

Their target audience, the people of Iran, won't be told all of that

They will be told base was successfully attacked and destroyed

(06-23-2025 03:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-23-2025 01:48 PM)hburg Wrote:  Looks like the Iranians are ready to talk.

Thats what I think. Clearly a face saving attack designed to not escalate the situation. They know they have no defense and they are starting to worry about just being able to hang on to power in Iran (which is far more important to them). Time to cut a deal and end this conflict. Notice how quickly the iranians changed once the "stick" was used (all that time, and the carrot didnt seem to get us anywhere at all).

Yep, he's done to the Iranians what Reagan did to the Soviets. My guess is some third party nation will facilitate the current Iranian leadership's removal from the country. All in due time, of course.

(06-23-2025 03:40 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  How does an attack which they warned us about and that did no damage “save face”? I don’t understand this, but, if it gets us to the end of this conflict, I’m good with it.

Like in America and the Democrats, Iran owns the media. The Iranian people will be told they destroyed a couple of US bases and the people will never know the truth because they have no way of finding out the truth. Similar to the North Korean soldiers that went into Ukraine to fight with Russia were confused when they didn't come across any South Koreans.

(06-23-2025 01:48 PM)hburg Wrote:  Looks like the Iranians are ready to talk.

Well, damn.

So WWIII has already been cancelled? I just had the hats made.

What do we do now until football season starts?



Having Iran and more importantly the Iranian people as part of the sane, educated, cooperating, civilized world again after half a century would go a loooong way to creating peace around the world.

We’ll still have the Japanese in cave types, but the vast majority of Iranians would rather join the rest of the world.

(06-23-2025 03:40 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  How does an attack which they warned us about and that did no damage “save face”? I don’t understand this, but, if it gets us to the end of this conflict, I’m good with it.

Probably answered below, but propaganda with shiny pictures for selling the true believers that the “great satan” got hit.

No one on the street with a cell phone and a cousin in London is gonna buy it, but they’ll apparently go as far as possible to remain in power over there.

My guess is it doesn’t work this time. They can try to flee to pakistan or NK perhaps, or they’ll be resembling Mussolini soon enough.

Good riddance.

USA and Iran should just do a tweet bombing campaign to save money on real bombs.