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RE: Court rules Trump doesn't have the authority to set tariffs
(05-29-2025 07:12 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 07:10 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 05:25 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-28-2025 10:59 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(05-28-2025 07:08 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  So a made-up "court" made this "ruling" then. Okay.

Trump's tariffs are still in place anyway. Moving on.

Court of International Trade has original and exclusive jurisdiction over civil actions arising out of U.S. customs and international trade laws. It is a full Art 3 court, and the only lower Federal court having jurisdiction to hear this case.

Trump's tariffs were struck down en toto by the summary judgement.

Your TDS is showing. Riddle me this. Many presidents have used tariffs to some extent, including Biden, who kept some tariffs on China.

Why were those okay, but not Trump's all of a sudden?

It's much like the immigration debacle. The Trump administration has some authority to carry out these policies, but like trying to use the AEA in a novel way it has tried to do tariffs quick and easy by declaring an "emergency" rather than going the slower and more methodical route other presidents have used to impose tariffs. Once again the courts have held the line on Trump grabbing vast powers to disrupt the status quo simply by claiming "emergency" and doing whatever he feels like, today.

You have a source for all that?

Yes there are sources for that. The reasonings in the ruling, in particular.
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(05-29-2025 08:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 07:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 05:25 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Many presidents have used tariffs to some extent, including Biden, who kept some tariffs on China.

Why were those okay, but not Trump's all of a sudden?

I've explained this like a dozen times now. I just can't make you understand it.

You're mostly talking about TARGETED tariffs. That's what prior presidents have done, including Biden. And most agree these can be effective and warranted.

What trump is doing is basically unprecedented...and stupid...like him.

The number of times you say anything doesn't make it correct.

Show me the law where targeted tariffs are okay, but wider tariffs are not.

You know the difference between targeted and sweeping tariffs? Just the number of them, doofus. Everything else is the same.

And unprecedented doesn't make it illegal. 01-wingedeagle

The real debate is likely whether he can declare an emergency to juice them up. But again, that is unsettled and thus still a courts issue.

Trump cited the Emergency provisions of the Trade Act. Which *do* include more sweeping allowances to the Executive.

The debate is that one reason Trump pointed to was already covered by a less sweeping grant. And the other had no basis in 'dealing with' the announced tariffs.

Gamenole hit the path spot on, as did RWT (in a more general statement).
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(05-29-2025 09:42 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 08:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 07:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 05:25 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Many presidents have used tariffs to some extent, including Biden, who kept some tariffs on China.

Why were those okay, but not Trump's all of a sudden?

I've explained this like a dozen times now. I just can't make you understand it.

You're mostly talking about TARGETED tariffs. That's what prior presidents have done, including Biden. And most agree these can be effective and warranted.

What trump is doing is basically unprecedented...and stupid...like him.

The number of times you say anything doesn't make it correct.

Show me the law where targeted tariffs are okay, but wider tariffs are not.

You know the difference between targeted and sweeping tariffs? Just the number of them, doofus. Everything else is the same.

And unprecedented doesn't make it illegal. 01-wingedeagle

The real debate is likely whether he can declare an emergency to juice them up. But again, that is unsettled and thus still a courts issue.

Trump cited the Emergency provisions of the Trade Act. Which *do* include more sweeping allowances to the Executive.

The debate is that one reason Trump pointed to was already covered by a less sweeping grant. And the other had no basis in 'dealing with' the announced tariffs.

Gamenole hit the path spot on, as did RWT (in a more general statement).

If you are saying those two are correct, then I'm going to go ahead and bump the score to 0-151 and 0-152.
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Tne appeal will be fun. The admin thinking a higher court is going to buy the emergency solution to the fentanyl crisis in America is blanket tariffs. Funny how they all magically became “activist judges” in 4 months
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(05-29-2025 10:30 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 09:42 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 08:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 07:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 05:25 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Many presidents have used tariffs to some extent, including Biden, who kept some tariffs on China.

Why were those okay, but not Trump's all of a sudden?

I've explained this like a dozen times now. I just can't make you understand it.

You're mostly talking about TARGETED tariffs. That's what prior presidents have done, including Biden. And most agree these can be effective and warranted.

What trump is doing is basically unprecedented...and stupid...like him.

The number of times you say anything doesn't make it correct.

Show me the law where targeted tariffs are okay, but wider tariffs are not.

You know the difference between targeted and sweeping tariffs? Just the number of them, doofus. Everything else is the same.

And unprecedented doesn't make it illegal. 01-wingedeagle

The real debate is likely whether he can declare an emergency to juice them up. But again, that is unsettled and thus still a courts issue.

Trump cited the Emergency provisions of the Trade Act. Which *do* include more sweeping allowances to the Executive.

The debate is that one reason Trump pointed to was already covered by a less sweeping grant. And the other had no basis in 'dealing with' the announced tariffs.

Gamenole hit the path spot on, as did RWT (in a more general statement).

If you are saying those two are correct, then I'm going to go ahead and bump the score to 0-151 and 0-152.

What *exactly* is incorrect with the following, U:

Quote:It's much like the immigration debacle. The Trump administration has some authority to carry out these policies, but like trying to use the AEA in a novel way it has tried to do tariffs quick and easy by declaring an "emergency" rather than going the slower and more methodical route other presidents have used to impose tariffs. Once again the courts have held the line on Trump grabbing vast powers to disrupt the status quo simply by claiming "emergency" and doing whatever he feels like, today.

Just curious. Lolz.
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(05-29-2025 10:34 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Tne appeal will be fun. The admin thinking a higher court is going to buy the emergency solution to the fentanyl crisis in America is blanket tariffs. Funny how they all magically became “activist judges” in 4 months

You kind of misstated -- Trump provided 2 rationales. Fentanyl as one and 'unusual emergency' of balance of payments issues as a second.

Yes, pointing at trafficking for blanket tariffs is a massive stretch. As the court pointed out.

A reason of 'balance of payments' is addressed in another section of the Trade Act, providing for hard end time windows, and limited tariff rates -- which Congress can approve on a more permanent basis moving forward.

Neither of which survived the ruling.
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(05-29-2025 10:45 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 10:34 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Tne appeal will be fun. The admin thinking a higher court is going to buy the emergency solution to the fentanyl crisis in America is blanket tariffs. Funny how they all magically became “activist judges” in 4 months

You kind of misstated -- Trump provided 2 rationales. Fentanyl as one and 'unusual emergency' of balance of payments issues as a second.

Yes, pointing at trafficking for blanket tariffs is a massive stretch. As the court pointed out.

A reason of 'balance of payments' is addressed in another section of the Trade Act, providing for hard end time windows, and limited tariff rates -- which Congress can approve on a more permanent basis moving forward.

Neither of which survived the ruling.

Thank you. My legal knowledge is on par with most on this board. 04-cheers
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When Judges Aid China: The Real Cost of Gutting Trump's Tariff Strategy

Quote:The decision handed down on May 28, 2025, by the US Court of International Trade to strike down President Donald Trump’s so-called "Liberation Day" tariffs is not merely an error in statutory interpretation. It is a dereliction of judicial duty and a gift-wrapped concession to the very foreign powers that seek to undermine American sovereignty and security. The court’s ruling misapprehends the nature of presidential power in national emergencies, fails to appreciate the strategic utility of tariffs in foreign policy, and threatens to hamstring an executive branch constitutionally tasked with protecting the republic from foreign harm. Worse still, the decision has been greeted with unconcealed glee in Beijing. That alone should give sober Americans pause.

To understand the legal controversy, one must first grasp the statute at issue: the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), passed in 1977. Historically used to impose sanctions, the law vests the President with authority to regulate, block, or prohibit financial transactions and trade in times of national emergency. Critics claim the statute was never intended to authorize tariffs. But that narrow reading ignores the statutory text and the broader logic of emergency powers. If a president may freeze assets and prohibit trade altogether, why should he not be allowed to impose duties as a calibrated response?

President Trump invoked IEEPA to declare twin national emergencies: first, the existential threat posed by America’s ballooning trade deficit, and second, the crisis of synthetic opioids, chiefly fentanyl, flooding US cities through China, Mexico, and Canada. The former, he rightly noted, hollows out the defense industrial base, decimates working-class communities, and renders the nation dependent on adversarial supply chains. The latter, a public health emergency of staggering scope, kills more Americans annually than any war since Vietnam. On both counts, the connection to national security is self-evident.

In response, the administration imposed a 10 percent baseline tariff on most imports, with higher reciprocal rates for serial trade abusers like China, initially 145 percent, later adjusted to 30 percent in negotiations. The purpose was not protectionism for its own sake. Rather, tariffs functioned as leverage to bring trading partners to the negotiating table. And it worked. Within weeks, Chinese negotiators signaled new willingness to curb fentanyl exports and allow greater access to Chinese markets for American firms. This, not judicial nicety, is how diplomacy is conducted when adversaries respect strength.

Yet the court declared such measures impermissible. Why? Because, according to the panel, IEEPA does not explicitly grant the president power to impose tariffs. This reading is not merely cramped. It is internally incoherent. The statute permits the president to prohibit all imports from a hostile nation, but, bizarrely, not to tax them? A president may block a transaction entirely, but not impose a fee upon it? This is legal formalism run amok. Worse, it privileges judicial parsing over constitutional responsibility.

The court’s opinion also dismisses the emergencies declared by President Trump as insufficiently connected to the measures enacted. Yet the Constitution does not assign the judiciary the role of second-guessing the wisdom of emergency declarations. That authority lies with the executive, and ultimately with Congress. The Trump administration rightly argued that the identification of national emergencies and the manner of addressing them are political questions, unsuitable for judicial review. The political question doctrine exists precisely to prevent the courts from substituting their policy preferences for those of the elected branches.

Some have argued that Trump’s use of tariffs under IEEPA was a novel and therefore illegitimate move. But novelty is not illegality. All legal innovation is novel until tested. Indeed, the very structure of the IEEPA contemplates flexibility, permitting the president to "take such actions with respect to any property... as he may deem necessary" in the context of national emergencies. That sweeping language does not exclude tariffs, and courts have long recognized that statutory ambiguity in matters of national security must be resolved in favor of executive discretion.

Moreover, the administration’s actions enjoyed both practical justification and policy coherence. The US trade deficit stood at over $1.2 trillion in goods, a staggering figure that reflects not just bad economics but a dangerous dependency on foreign production. Meanwhile, more than 70,000 Americans died from fentanyl overdoses in the last recorded year. Can a government that fails to respond to such numbers be said to take its national security duties seriously?

Nor were these tariffs mere rhetorical flourishes. They brought China to the negotiating table. They incentivized Mexico to bolster border inspections. They forced global firms to rethink overreliance on adversarial markets. In sum, they worked. That the court would now declare them retroactively illegal not only invalidates this progress but risks paralyzing future presidents who seek to act decisively in the national interest.

One might object: if the president has such sweeping authority under IEEPA, where are the limits? The answer is straightforward. Congress retains oversight. The National Emergencies Act allows Congress to terminate any emergency declaration by joint resolution. If Congress disapproves of the president’s judgment, it has ample power to act. But that is a political remedy, not a judicial one. The courts were never meant to play umpire in matters that turn on realpolitik.

Indeed, the court’s intervention has broader implications for the structure of constitutional governance. It elevates unelected judges above the elected branches on questions of national security. It disables a vital tool of negotiation in a world increasingly defined by economic coercion. And it sends a message to foreign adversaries: if you bide your time, America’s own institutions will undermine its resolve.

China understands this. Their state-run press wasted no time celebrating the court’s ruling. That alone should make every American pause. When our enemies cheer our courts, something is amiss. The judiciary, in this case, did not act as a guardian of liberty, but as an inadvertent ally of those who seek our decline.

If this decision is allowed to stand, it will do more than erase one set of tariffs. It will enshrine judicial veto power over executive strategy. It will embolden foreign governments to stall, obfuscate, and delay, knowing that American courts may intervene to rescue them. And it will render future emergency powers inert at the precise moment they are needed most.

The Trump administration has already appealed. The stakes are immense. At issue is not just one policy, but the integrity of the executive’s constitutional role. A reversal would reaffirm that presidents can, and must, act decisively in times of national danger. The alternative is paralysis, judicial overreach, and strategic impotence. For a nation besieged by foreign drugs, foreign deficits, and foreign duplicity, that is a price we cannot afford to pay.

BREAKING: Obama Judge Rules Trump’s Tariffs Are Unlawful


Quote:A federal judge on Thursday issued a preliminary injunction and ruled President Trump’s tariffs are unlawful under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA).

US District Judge Rudolph Contreras, an Obama appointee said Trump’s tariffs are “unlawful.”

Contreras said his preliminary injunction only applies to the two companies that filed suit, however, his ruling could open the door to more widespread injunctions.

Contreras’ injunction is separate from the permanent injunction issued by a three-judge panel on the Court of International Trade.

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(05-29-2025 10:45 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 10:34 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Tne appeal will be fun. The admin thinking a higher court is going to buy the emergency solution to the fentanyl crisis in America is blanket tariffs. Funny how they all magically became “activist judges” in 4 months

You kind of misstated -- Trump provided 2 rationales. Fentanyl as one and 'unusual emergency' of balance of payments issues as a second.

Yes, pointing at trafficking for blanket tariffs is a massive stretch. As the court pointed out.

A reason of 'balance of payments' is addressed in another section of the Trade Act, providing for hard end time windows, and limited tariff rates -- which Congress can approve on a more permanent basis moving forward.

Neither of which survived the ruling.

Want to make a lifetime ban wager that the SC (or lower) overturns this ruling on appeal?
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womp womp

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(05-29-2025 01:00 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 10:45 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 10:34 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Tne appeal will be fun. The admin thinking a higher court is going to buy the emergency solution to the fentanyl crisis in America is blanket tariffs. Funny how they all magically became “activist judges” in 4 months

You kind of misstated -- Trump provided 2 rationales. Fentanyl as one and 'unusual emergency' of balance of payments issues as a second.

Yes, pointing at trafficking for blanket tariffs is a massive stretch. As the court pointed out.

A reason of 'balance of payments' is addressed in another section of the Trade Act, providing for hard end time windows, and limited tariff rates -- which Congress can approve on a more permanent basis moving forward.

Neither of which survived the ruling.

Want to make a lifetime ban wager that the SC (or lower) overturns this ruling on appeal?

He won't because he knows it's going to get pounded flat.
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(05-29-2025 08:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 08:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 07:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(05-29-2025 05:25 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Many presidents have used tariffs to some extent, including Biden, who kept some tariffs on China.

Why were those okay, but not Trump's all of a sudden?

I've explained this like a dozen times now. I just can't make you understand it.

You're mostly talking about TARGETED tariffs. That's what prior presidents have done, including Biden. And most agree these can be effective and warranted.

What trump is doing is basically unprecedented...and stupid...like him.

The number of times you say anything doesn't make it correct.

Show me the law where targeted tariffs are okay, but wider tariffs are not.

You know the difference between targeted and sweeping tariffs? Just the number of them, doofus. Everything else is the same.

And unprecedented doesn't make it illegal. 01-wingedeagle

The real debate is likely whether he can declare an emergency to juice them up. But again, that is unsettled and thus still a courts issue.

Nowhere did I speak to the law or illegality. I was only speaking about what prior presidents have done, including trump and Biden. They applied mostly sensible and targeted tariffs for certain situations on certain countries.

Not some grand basically blanket tariff on the whole globe like the idiot trump did...the thing that doesn't work and makes TACO's.


You know what F ing things up looks like. What is above your pay grade is what fixing things looks like when done by a (stupid 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao) BILLIONARE.
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(05-29-2025 02:17 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  womp womp


Well that didn’t take long. I suppose they are all stupid, huh Tommie Bois?
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I like that tanq comments a lot, but only on specific posts he believes he can upend while never on posts with valid points. It’s a sign of extreme mental weakness and allows for continuing to gaslight arguments and points he wants to make.
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Cuffed on day 1 by the Federal Circuit Court en banc. Majority of them were appointed by democrats BTW...it was such a specious decision by the lower court it left them no other choice.

I'll be that guy...Toldja it would get hammered.
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(05-29-2025 03:22 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Cuffed on day 1 by the Federal Circuit Court en banc. Majority of them were appointed by democrats BTW...it was such a specious decision by the lower court it left them no other choice.

I'll be that guy...Toldja it would get hammered.

But, Tanq said...03-lmfao
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Trump should appoint himself to be a District Court Judge and resign. He would have more power.
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