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RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-11-2025 09:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 09:20 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Then why did the Trump confirm the “gift”? Is he taking it back like tariffs?

The gift is to the Defense Department, not to Trump.

I swear, keeping these loons informed is like herding cats. It's ALL right there in the two articles posted! Of course the one from NBC failed to mention several key points about the process this transaction is being conducted under that make it perfectly legal.
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(05-11-2025 10:04 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 09:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 09:20 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Then why did the Trump confirm the “gift”? Is he taking it back like tariffs?

The gift is to the Defense Department, not to Trump.

I swear, keeping these loons informed is like herding cats. It's ALL right there in the two articles posted! Of course the one from NBC failed to mention several key points about the process this transaction is being conducted under that make it perfectly legal.

They don't want to be informed. They want to b!tch and moan about every little thing, and tell the rest of us we're morons, while they are the ones yelling out through the bars of the insane asylum.
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It's 2015. President Barack Obama has accepted a "sky palace" jumbo jet from the Qatari government, which he'll own after he leaves office. "Everybody relax," he says in an interview with the New York Times. Everyone does immediately. The networks then televise the military parade in his honor on his birthday.
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I just marvel that people intentionally make such unmitigated fools of themselves in public.
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By the way Mr Mensa, it’s 2025, not 2015.
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(05-11-2025 10:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I just marvel that people intentionally make such unmitigated fools of themselves in public.

They can't even type a sentence without getting a fact wrong.
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(05-11-2025 10:11 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  By the way Mr Mensa, it’s 2025, not 2015.

He's talking about if something similar had happened while Obama was in office.
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RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-11-2025 10:07 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 10:04 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 09:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 09:20 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Then why did the Trump confirm the “gift”? Is he taking it back like tariffs?

The gift is to the Defense Department, not to Trump.

I swear, keeping these loons informed is like herding cats. It's ALL right there in the two articles posted! Of course the one from NBC failed to mention several key points about the process this transaction is being conducted under that make it perfectly legal.

They don't want to be informed. They want to b!tch and moan about every little thing, and tell the rest of us we're morons, while they are the ones yelling out through the bars of the insane asylum.

The guy is openly accepting a billion dollar bribe from the Qatari government. The only loons are the indoctrinated MAGATS who defend the guy.
We have a perfectly capable plane, but Trump wants his own.
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RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-11-2025 10:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 10:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I just marvel that people intentionally make such unmitigated fools of themselves in public.

They can't even type a sentence without getting a fact wrong.

“By the way Mr Mensa, it’s 2025, not 2015.”

irony
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RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-11-2025 10:13 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 10:11 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  By the way Mr Mensa, it’s 2025, not 2015.

He's talking about if something similar had happened while Obama was in office.

I know that. He was supposed to take the bait, not you. Now you’ve ruins it. 03-wink
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Mensa, you’re really quite hopeless.
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RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-11-2025 09:09 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  So essentially it is a 01-rivals lease deal.

You can't be this dense.

They are letting us use it until a new one is delivered to POTUS from Boeing.

Air Force One, Courtesy of Qatar: Constitutional and Cost-Saving


The modern American left is allergic to legality when it does not serve their narrative. Case in point: the apoplexy over President Donald J. Trump’s acceptance of a $1 billion Boeing 747-8 jumbo jet from the royal family of Qatar. This aircraft, originally outfitted as a "flying palace," has been offered as a gift to the United States government for temporary use as an interim Air Force One, with the condition that it later be donated to the Trump Presidential Library Foundation. Pundits clutch their pearls, invoking the Emoluments Clause, bribery statutes, and vague notions of impropriety. But their argument is not only unsound, it is unserious.

The aircraft is not a gift to Trump personally, and therein lies the constitutional linchpin. The Department of the Air Force will accept the plane, retrofit it for presidential use, and once the newly delayed Boeing VC-25B is finally delivered, sometime near the end of Trump’s second term, the aircraft will be transferred to the Trump Presidential Library Foundation, and eventually to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), as mandated by the Presidential Libraries Act.

This transaction is not a violation of law, it is an expression of prudence. Boeing’s chronic inability to deliver the new Air Force One aircraft, initially contracted in 2018, has left the president dependent on aging 747-200s from the early 1990s. Trump could have burdened the American taxpayer with an emergency purchase of a stopgap jet, but he chose the more fiscally responsible route: accept a gift on behalf of the American people.

The legality is rooted in clear statutory and constitutional footing. First, 10 U.S.C. §2601 authorizes the Secretary of Defense to accept gifts, including personal property, provided they are not designated for a specific individual. In fact, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth postponed his scheduled diplomatic trip to Israel this week in order to remain available to accept the gift during President Trump’s visit to Qatar. The jet, in this case, is being given to the Air Force, not to Trump. There is no private enrichment.

Second, the Foreign Gifts and Decorations Act (5 U.S.C. §7342) provides congressional consent for public officials to accept gifts on behalf of the United States, so long as those gifts are not retained for personal use. The aircraft, during its operational life, will be used exclusively for official government purposes. Afterward, it becomes part of a presidential library, an educational institution run in conjunction with NARA. The chain of custody is public from start to finish.

Critics invoke the Emoluments Clause of Article I, Section 9, as if it were a magic incantation. But the clause prohibits personal acceptance of gifts from foreign states without congressional consent. When the gift is accepted by the US government and used in the public interest, it falls outside the clause’s scope. Legal scholars across ideological lines, including Jonathan Adler and past opinions from the Office of Legal Counsel, affirm this interpretation.

Bribery laws are equally inapplicable. The federal bribery statute, 18 U.S.C. §201, requires a quid pro quo, a thing of value exchanged for an official act. But the Qatar donation contains no such bargain. There is no evidence, even from the fevered imagination of Trump’s critics, that any official act was offered in return. It is a goodwill gesture, legally vetted and structurally sound.

Attorney General Pam Bondi and White House Counsel David Warrington have issued legal opinions affirming that the arrangement is permissible. Bondi’s memo emphasizes that the jet is not a personal gift and that its transfer to a future presidential library, which will itself become government property, further insulates the transaction from constitutional concern. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth concurred after a thorough legal analysis.

The historical precedents are also worth noting. In 2001, the Air Force transferred the decommissioned Boeing 707 known as SAM 27000 to the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library. That aircraft had served as Air Force One under multiple presidents. It was turned into a museum exhibit, open to the public, and maintained through a private endowment. The Trump library will follow the same procedure. That Reagan’s plane was American-built and Trump’s is a foreign gift is irrelevant. Once accepted by the Air Force, the Qatar 747 becomes government property, indistinguishable in legal status from any other.

If anything, this gesture is a net benefit to the United States. Taxpayers save hundreds of millions, the president has a safe and modern aircraft to use, and in time, the public gains a historic artifact displayed for educational purposes. Only those politically motivated to hate Trump could object.

It is precisely this kind of clear-headed stewardship that Americans voted for in 2024. Trump didn’t cave to bureaucratic inertia or Boeing’s delays. He acted. He found a solution. And he did so within the full bounds of law and constitutional propriety.

Let the Democrats and their media allies fume. The law is not on their side, and neither is the logic. Trump accepted a plane not for himself but for the country. And when he is done using it to serve the nation, it will be handed over, as all such gifts should be, to the American people.
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It’s hopeless. No matter what anyone tells them all they see is “Orange Man Bad”.

It’s seriously cracking me up.
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(05-11-2025 09:51 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 09:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 09:20 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Then why did the Trump confirm the “gift”? Is he taking it back like tariffs?

The gift is to the Defense Department, not to Trump.

And then to the non-existent “Trump Library”… instead of remaining property of the DoD.

Why do you keep doing this to yourself?

The Department of the Air Force will accept the plane, retrofit it for presidential use, and once the newly delayed Boeing VC-25B is finally delivered, sometime near the end of Trump’s second term, the aircraft will be transferred to the Trump Presidential Library Foundation, and eventually to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), as mandated by the Presidential Libraries Act.
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I’m beginning to think Marc has lost his sense of reality. The arrogance and delusion is still clearly present, however.
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"The Department of the Air Force will accept the plane, retrofit it for presidential use, and once the newly delayed Boeing VC-25B is finally delivered, sometime near the end of Trump’s second term, the aircraft will be transferred to the Trump Presidential Library Foundation, and eventually to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), as mandated by the Presidential Libraries Act."

Now, to me THAT would be a waste of a good airplane, why have it as a static display when the A/C is still air worthy? Sell it and buy a model airplane of that type and then place it in the library.
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RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-11-2025 11:39 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 11:32 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 11:31 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Trump was investigated thoroughly during the Russia fiasco, and was never charged/found guilty of all the claims that liberals made.

Being corrupt is not the same thing as grifter either. Nice try at laundering those two points together.

So there you go…

Doesn't matter. Orange Man bad.


Trump is who he is. Cheated on his wife, degenerate, multiple bankruptcies, many failed products and ventures…but many political figures before him are just as guilty of many of those same things.

For whatever reason, liberals will make up absurd lies in order to destroy him…

And then they wonder why he has millions of loyal supporters. They have totally martyred this man into a figure beyond the conventional politics. He’s a cultural icon.

And who else could get such low life Democrats to NOT STAND for a boy of color who has survived brain cancer but yet the same FOOLS will fly to El Salvador to aid an illegal thug gang member?

If this is what Mensa supports he’s a waste of time to even respond to.

On Trump’s worst day he is better than this rotted fish head smell coming from Democrats.
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RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-11-2025 10:19 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 10:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 10:10 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I just marvel that people intentionally make such unmitigated fools of themselves in public.

They can't even type a sentence without getting a fact wrong.

“By the way Mr Mensa, it’s 2025, not 2015.”

irony

I posted that before the 2015 statement, you faker. I was obviously referring to a previous mistake.
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RE: ABC: Trump to accept personal luxury jet from Qatar
(05-11-2025 10:20 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 10:13 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 10:11 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  By the way Mr Mensa, it’s 2025, not 2015.

He's talking about if something similar had happened while Obama was in office.

I know that. He was supposed to take the bait, not you. Now you’ve ruins it. 03-wink

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(05-11-2025 02:43 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 02:16 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 02:03 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(05-11-2025 01:59 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  To the presidential library. Another Federal property.

Why dont you go read up on the personal use by ex-Presidents of items in the respective libraries.


Why would I bother?

Above Reads like it’s all been “vetted”, all the little duckies in a row, and all above board, public, and will remain a Fed Govt property.

I mean How many 747-Maxxes does one girl need?

A Federal property to be used by one and only one person --- not even in the government at that point.

Kind of blows up your 'still government property' excuse, though.


Cool cool.

So, what happens if he uses this plane for another prop piece on one of his numerous resorts, and doesn’t use it post Jan’29?

We all clear there? Cool, cool?
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