(04-25-2025 09:29 AM)b2b Wrote:  We need to change the law.

If this is what it takes, the Reps need to be crafting it now. Make every Democrat in DC go on record as defending the illegal alien invaders. Reps need to have this issue at the top of the list for midterms. Guaranteed to gain seats in the house if they do.

(04-25-2025 09:44 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:29 AM)b2b Wrote:  We need to change the law.

If this is what it takes, the Reps need to be crafting it now. Make every Democrat in DC go on record as defending the illegal alien invaders. Reps need to have this issue at the top of the list for midterms. Guaranteed to gain seats in the house if they do.

34 states to amend the constitution.

This isn’t a part of the federal code, it’s part of the document that is the fabric of our country.

“ THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.”

(04-25-2025 09:40 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:29 AM)b2b Wrote:  d to change the law. In the meantime a bad guy isn't in our country. Good.

What other fundamental rights do you think it’s okay to take a dump on, champ?

idk, it would be nice if we could force your smart ass to shut up. that would be a good start. I don't care how we treat a non-citizen. LIke I said, the law needs to be changed. Argue to you're blue in the face about a gang member's rights. I don't care one iota.

(04-25-2025 09:38 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  splitting hairs on the word "person"

what past law maker envisioned the democrats pouring in 10's of millions of illegals in a four year period.

ignore the "laws" and throw them blindly out at will until this issue is addressed.

well, the some on this board, 'did'...

your summation 'trumps' all and every from the peanut 'legal' factory ... ...

(04-25-2025 10:01 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:40 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:29 AM)b2b Wrote:  d to change the law. In the meantime a bad guy isn't in our country. Good.

What other fundamental rights do you think it’s okay to take a dump on, champ?

idk, it would be nice if we could force your smart ass to shut up. that would be a good start. I don't care how we treat a non-citizen. LIke I said, the law needs to be changed. Argue to you're blue in the face about a gang member's rights. I don't care one iota.

Then you are un-American and support authoritarian fascism. You are literally arguing that you support Trump ignoring the constitution.

(04-25-2025 10:15 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 10:01 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:40 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:29 AM)b2b Wrote:  d to change the law. In the meantime a bad guy isn't in our country. Good.

What other fundamental rights do you think it’s okay to take a dump on, champ?

idk, it would be nice if we could force your smart ass to shut up. that would be a good start. I don't care how we treat a non-citizen. LIke I said, the law needs to be changed. Argue to you're blue in the face about a gang member's rights. I don't care one iota.

Then you are un-American and support authoritarian fascism. You are literally arguing that you support Trump ignoring the constitution.

Cool. Hopefully the law gets changed. End birthright citizenship while we're at it.

(04-25-2025 09:38 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:28 AM)450bench Wrote:  ^^^^you serious? Please tell us you’re joking.

No more joking than literally more than 2 centuries of those words and about the same amount of time of SCOTUS emphasizing that “no person” actually means “no person”.

Sorry to piss on your outrage party there, hoss.

You realize what the definition of a hypocrite is, right?

You’re talking about MY outrage party? Seriously?

Your lack of self-awareness is startling. You’re apparently just not very smart.

(04-25-2025 10:21 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 10:15 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 10:01 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:40 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:29 AM)b2b Wrote:  d to change the law. In the meantime a bad guy isn't in our country. Good.

What other fundamental rights do you think it’s okay to take a dump on, champ?

idk, it would be nice if we could force your smart ass to shut up. that would be a good start. I don't care how we treat a non-citizen. LIke I said, the law needs to be changed. Argue to you're blue in the face about a gang member's rights. I don't care one iota.

Then you are un-American and support authoritarian fascism. You are literally arguing that you support Trump ignoring the constitution.

Cool. Hopefully the law gets changed. End birthright citizenship while we're at it.

And to repeat, what other fundamental rights do you think it okay to take a dump on, champ?

As long as you are on your explicit tear on this, just list the fundamental rights that are okay to ignore in b2b-land? Cant be that tough for you.

(04-25-2025 10:25 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:38 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:28 AM)450bench Wrote:  ^^^^you serious? Please tell us you’re joking.

No more joking than literally more than 2 centuries of those words and about the same amount of time of SCOTUS emphasizing that “no person” actually means “no person”.

Sorry to piss on your outrage party there, hoss.

You realize what the definition of a hypocrite is, right?

You’re talking about MY outrage party? Seriously?

Your lack of self-awareness is startling. You’re apparently just not very smart.

Im not the person stating that an explicit right in the Constitution is 'Please tell us youre joking'.

Im smart enough to understand that.

You are apparently dumb enough to not understand what is in the Constitution, dumb enough to say 'you are joking, right?', and finally too stupid to realize that while you rant about 'you are joking, right'.

Im not the one so outraged that I am calling the 5th and 14th amendment a 'joke', bucky-boi.

SO yeah, you are outraged. And too stupid to realize the thing you are outraged over isnt a 'joke' -- its part and parcel of the Constitution. ANd jsut stupid enough to get another round of outrage when you pull your own pants down, get called out on it, and decide to get even more outraged to attack the people denoting our dumb-assery.

Nice picture there, roidie.

Please continue. Ill get the popcorn to watch you roid-rage over that.

The solution to this issue is due process within immigration settings needs to be explicitly defined.

The courts have ruled (1) that illegal aliens are subject to due process considerations; and (2) due process in illegal alien cases is more limited in most cases than the standard process under the 5th and 14th amendments for American citizens.

In other words, each judge can apply their own qualifiers to it, because that issue has not been universally addressed or defined. Ideally, Congress would take up immigration reform to address issues such as improper and illegal entry policy tactics and the parameters for what's clearly legal for removal operations. But that will probably never happen so we're left with the courts who will decide individual cases but likely leave a final declaration of this issue off the table.

So, everyone is going to continue to argue about it.

(04-25-2025 10:39 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 10:21 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 10:15 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 10:01 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:40 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  What other fundamental rights do you think it’s okay to take a dump on, champ?

idk, it would be nice if we could force your smart ass to shut up. that would be a good start. I don't care how we treat a non-citizen. LIke I said, the law needs to be changed. Argue to you're blue in the face about a gang member's rights. I don't care one iota.

Then you are un-American and support authoritarian fascism. You are literally arguing that you support Trump ignoring the constitution.

Cool. Hopefully the law gets changed. End birthright citizenship while we're at it.

And to repeat, what other fundamental rights do you think it okay to take a dump on, champ?

As long as you are on your explicit tear on this, just list the fundamental rights that are okay to ignore in b2b-land? Cant be that tough for you.

I've repeatedly said the law needs to be changed dipshit. If they're a threat to the US (and gangs are) they need to go.

(04-25-2025 09:38 AM)hoopfan Wrote:  splitting hairs on the word "person"

Its always fun to hear when a 'person' isnt really a 'person' as a comeback.

Quote:what past law maker envisioned the democrats pouring in 10's of millions of illegals in a four year period.

ignore the "laws" and throw them blindly out at will until this issue is addressed.

Cool cool. Ill fix the problems as I see them.

What past law Constitution maker as a first.

Going on let me change it to show you the stark idiocy in it. Ill do two examples. You can fill in many many more.

1.
what past Constitution maker envisioned rapid fire semi-automatics with 80 round drum attachments.

ignore the 2nd Amendment and throw them blindly out at will until this issue is addressed.

2.
what past Constitution maker envisioned broad crime in the country, especially the cities.

ignore the every amendment on arrest, trial, and right to representation overall and throw them blindly out at will until this issue is addressed.


Sound good there, hoop?

Ill give you credit in that you are explicitly and openly asking for the government to ignore the foundation of law in pursuit of your bugaboo.

What other foundation of law do you think it 'provident' to simply just **** on, because it warms your heart?

(04-25-2025 10:54 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 10:39 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 10:21 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 10:15 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 10:01 AM)b2b Wrote:  idk, it would be nice if we could force your smart ass to shut up. that would be a good start. I don't care how we treat a non-citizen. LIke I said, the law needs to be changed. Argue to you're blue in the face about a gang member's rights. I don't care one iota.

Then you are un-American and support authoritarian fascism. You are literally arguing that you support Trump ignoring the constitution.

Cool. Hopefully the law gets changed. End birthright citizenship while we're at it.

And to repeat, what other fundamental rights do you think it okay to take a dump on, champ?

As long as you are on your explicit tear on this, just list the fundamental rights that are okay to ignore in b2b-land? Cant be that tough for you.

I've repeatedly said the law needs to be changed dipshit. If they're a threat to the US (and gangs are) they need to go.

SO just that fundamental right. Cool cool. Quite the foresight.

(04-25-2025 09:51 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:44 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:29 AM)b2b Wrote:  We need to change the law.

If this is what it takes, the Reps need to be crafting it now. Make every Democrat in DC go on record as defending the illegal alien invaders. Reps need to have this issue at the top of the list for midterms. Guaranteed to gain seats in the house if they do.

34 states to amend the constitution.

This isn’t a part of the federal code, it’s part of the document that is the fabric of our country.

“ THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.”

Well Trump won 31 and this issue just might force 3 others to follow suit. Reps just need to turn the heat on this. It’s a major losing issue for a loser political party in the Dems

(04-25-2025 10:48 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  The solution to this issue is due process within immigration settings needs to be explicitly defined.

It pretty much is.

Quote:The courts have ruled (1) that illegal aliens are subject to due process considerations; and (2) due process in illegal alien cases is more limited in most cases than the standard process under the 5th and 14th amendments for American citizens.

And they have defined those limits. Remember those cases on ERH that noted those that I linked for you?

Quote:In other words, each judge can apply their own qualifiers to it, because that issue has not been universally addressed or defined. Ideally, Congress would take up immigration reform to address issues such as improper and illegal entry policy tactics and the parameters for what's clearly legal for removal operations. But that will probably never happen so we're left with the courts who will decide individual cases but likely leave a final declaration of this issue off the table.

8 CFR seems replete with those things. Same with 8 USC.

Those sections go into excruciating detail on many specific due process rights. Burdens, allowance of evidence, right to counsel.

The problem in this arena is four-fold:

1. you have an administration that absolutely and wholly lies to its followers about the presence of due process in the issue. They say 'illegals dont have them', and the mushbrains (like many here) simply regurgitate that false point. case in point Steven Miller, and various posters here who post his thin garbage like the Bible. (not you, Three).

2. you have an administration that simply doesnt care that the existing system can actually deal with the issue in time. In fact, again they lie about it. Case in point -- just a few days ago Trump falsely yelled that it would take 200 years to deal with it if he couldnt get his way with insta-deportations. Absolutely fing bull****.

And his followers lap that **** up like fine wine.

3. you have an administration that is fundamentally violating the basics of the legal program to help keep their woodie hard on insta-deportation. Implementing the EAE was fktard move -- an overreaction that catered to the short term wet dreams of really stupid people, without any regard to the standing law. And they continue that crap in the lawsuits. Lying, ignoring court orders, yada yada yada. And his fktard stupid followers just think its awesome.

4. There *is* an element of racism to this. This administration is actively provoking the 'otherism' aspect in this. Maybe they know their base, maybe they dont.

The issue isnt defining the process -- 8 CFR and 8 USC go way into the weeds already for that.

The issue is that Trump has convinced his low IQ followers that fundamental rights dont exist here, and above from others as evidence, that if they are fundamental rights there is nothing wrong with ignoring them.

Trump is opening doors that can, and most probably will, be used devastatingly by the Left against the Right in terms of the legal process. And MAGA is too fing stupid to note it, or simply wants to wreck it in the first place.

(04-25-2025 11:10 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:51 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:44 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 09:29 AM)b2b Wrote:  We need to change the law.

If this is what it takes, the Reps need to be crafting it now. Make every Democrat in DC go on record as defending the illegal alien invaders. Reps need to have this issue at the top of the list for midterms. Guaranteed to gain seats in the house if they do.

34 states to amend the constitution.

This isn’t a part of the federal code, it’s part of the document that is the fabric of our country.

“ THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.”

Well Trump won 31 and this issue just might force 3 others to follow suit. Reps just need to turn the heat on this. It’s a major losing issue for a loser political party in the Dems

I suggest the MAGA Rs make it a plank in their platform to rollback the 5th and 14th Amendments. Sound good to you?

I find it laughable that the legal system has used the 14th Amendment to give illegals any kind of Rights to be here. Some on this Board talk about people pissing on the Constitution. The only ones pissing on the Constitution are the ones in the legal system.

(04-25-2025 07:53 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 12:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Gutfeld said on the Five on Thursday that he researched due process, and illegal aliens are NOT entitled to due process. They are not entitled to a hearing, or even to counsel. They are only entitled to object to their deportation status, and if so, from that point, it is an administrative process, not a legal one.

I have no clue if that's accurate, other than I can vouch that it's what he said, paraphrased. Maybe there is video somewhere.

Another episode of 3A says that some half bulb says..... cool cool.

I pick Gutfeld over you every time.

(04-25-2025 11:23 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 07:53 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(04-25-2025 12:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Gutfeld said on the Five on Thursday that he researched due process, and illegal aliens are NOT entitled to due process. They are not entitled to a hearing, or even to counsel. They are only entitled to object to their deportation status, and if so, from that point, it is an administrative process, not a legal one.

I have no clue if that's accurate, other than I can vouch that it's what he said, paraphrased. Maybe there is video somewhere.

Another episode of 3A says that some half bulb says..... cool cool.

I pick Gutfeld over you every time.

Im sure you do. You dont seem like one who really tries to ferret out facts.

(04-25-2025 11:21 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I find it laughable that the legal system has used the 14th Amendment to give illegals any kind of Rights to be here. Some on this Board talk about people pissing on the Constitution. The only ones pissing on the Constitution are the ones in the legal system.

Then I suggest a decent dictionary that has a definition of 'person' as a starting point -- and might be a good idea as a starting point for some self-help steps.

Yeah, how *dare* *anyone* in the legal system be able to distinguish a difference between 'person', and say, 'citizen'. The sheer horror.....