(06-11-2025 10:47 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-11-2025 03:50 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-11-2025 01:12 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  If people want to go out and protest against Trump there are multiple valid reasons to do so. Saying that if you protest then you are doing so "on behalf of Jew murderers and Jew haters" is ridiculous.

Pedantic, but I don't think it a stretch to say that those who protest in support of what Hamas is doing/does are doing so 'on behalf of Jew Murderers and Haters' is ridiculous. As you note, there are plenty of things to protest AGAINST what Israel does. Those are not the same things.

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Quote:Looting, arson, etc are crimes, other than treason. No matter what cause one is using as an excuse.

Who burned those cars? Who will burn cars this weekend? Who threw rocks and bottles at police? Not MAGA supporters. Your friends.

Whose friends? Nobody on this forum supports Hamas.

Pretty sure he's taliing about the LA immigration riots. Frankly, although there has been violence... I can't think of an Israel protest that I'd call a riot. One in particular was just a murder.

Right... he's talking about the LA riots. But somehow he is equating somebody that is protesting the ICE roundups as being pro-Hamas. It's baffling.

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(06-11-2025 01:50 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-11-2025 12:42 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I' literally laughing out loud at you guys and your 'made up' charges (that it's treason... that people are expressing 'horror') at people expressing their fatigue with your side's 'outrage'.... which UNDENIABLY becomes cover for people to commit criminal acts with absolutely ZERO connection to what is being protested. Trump is acting like a king, so I'm going to set fire to this random car. Trump is a bf guy, so I'm going to loot the convenience store.

Nobody has a problem with peaceful protests... and you guys know it. We're just tired of the excuses for criminal acts.

Please reference where anybody was excusing these criminal acts. On this forum or otherwise.

Of course nobody with any skin in the game... meaning media or rational people... would openly SAY such a thing.... but it's obvious in the way these things are argued and debated.

So only the ridiculous extremists would excuse these criminal acts? So maybe quit implying that a wide swatch of liberals are condoning it. Because, like Tanq said... if you want to imply that ridiculous extremists represent Democrats the right side has their own share of ridiculous extremists. I don't think alt-right people represent most Republicans...

Quote: BecauseSAYING 'full stop' is not the same as there actually BEING a 'full stop'. It's just a way to attempt to distance ones-self from something that may well have been an intended result of at least SOME of the people 'on your side'. That's why I spoke about the 'riot gear'. I'm sure plenty of people were just exercising caution...to a far greater degree than average... but I'm also just as sure that SOME people had the intention of 'not stopping' until they had to.

Quote:Please reference these nation-wide calls for looting and violence. Who are "you guys"? Nobody on this forum supports these riots. Many of us have spoken against them.

Did something I said limit the discussion to those on this forum?

Well, here is your quote:

"but I challenge you to show me the same sort of nation-wide calls for and acts of looting and violence that you guys have now done BOTH TIMES Trump has been elected."

You guys? You seem to imply that people here own these calls for and acts of looting and violence. How else should one read this?

Quote:My point stands that despite the same 'upset' about Biden and his actions and policies by the left, you DID NOT see

The idea that 'the right' can organize enough to beat Democrats in an election, but not organize enough to stage protests across the country like Democrats do is ridiculous... and the one I can think of (there may have been more) was the truckers... and I don't recall any rioting associated with that. On the other side, we somewhat routinely see rioting.

WHat is it that makes Democrats so violent? That's obviously tongue in cheek.

Quote:Do you think Tanq is a Democrat? Do you think I am an Democrat? If so... you don't read many posts here.

Lol... I don't even see that I typed 'democrats' in the area I think you're responding to. I don't think you guys are rioters.... or even aggressive protesters.

When you keep saying "you guys" it seems that you are referring to us. Maybe I don't read good though.

Quote:I think you both like mincing words. Democrat, leftists, liberal, never-Trumper... of course they all mean different things... but there is substantial overlap in many areas. I"m not a Republican either... but for the sake of the binary Biden/Trump comparison, it's close enough to describe those 'upset' about Biden.

I'm upset about Biden. What does that make me?

Quote:The point remains and I'd be interested in your response... why you think 'Democrat' protests (define that how you will) turn violent so much more often than
'Republican' ones do?

I think there is a group of miscreants who have decided that left-wing protests are an opportunity to wreak havoc and therefore they are drawn to these events and are good at subverting the intended message of the "regular" protestors to their message of "we'll resort to violence to make our point". The right wing protests doesn't seem to attract the same element for whatever reason although the Jan 6 protest to surely violent.

Excepting also Charlottesville -- which attracted the fringe of both sides.

(06-11-2025 04:47 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The comparisons of violence and destruction between Pro and Anti-Trump protesters is pretty stark…

Yes it is. Arson alone is a big difference.

Quote:…and I'd think anyone would want to try and look at 'why'.

Yet these guys will never go there, and that is telling of them.

(06-12-2025 01:54 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-11-2025 04:47 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The comparisons of violence and destruction between Pro and Anti-Trump protesters is pretty stark…

Yes it is. Arson alone is a big difference.

Quote:…and I'd think anyone would want to try and look at 'why'.

Yet these guys will never go there, and that is telling of them.

Profiles In Courage lambasts me for not answering a question whilst having me in ignore so that he doesn’t know if I answered or not.

Peak OO.

I understand that many (well, some) antiTrumpers may be dismayed to find themselves standing with Hamas, or with Democrats, or with Maxine Waters, or with the ladies of The View, or with arsonists, or with criminals, or with hateful media personalities. But when your only tenet is to be against Trump, you will find yourself lumped in with some mighty strange bedfellows.

If the enemy of your enemy (Trump) is your friend, then you will have some mighty sorry friends.

(06-12-2025 08:00 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I understand that many (well, some) antiTrumpers may be dismayed to find themselves standing with Hamas, or with Democrats, or with Maxine Waters, or with the ladies of The View, or with arsonists, or with criminals, or with hateful media personalities. But when your only tenet is to be against Trump, you will find yourself lumped in with some mighty strange bedfellows.

If the enemy of your enemy (Trump) is your friend, then you will have some mighty sorry friends.

Profiles In Courage has been so mentally addled by his addiction to Newsmax that he cannot wrap his mind around the concept that one can be horrified by many of Trump's decisions based on the content of those decisions rather than the idea that if it came from Trump it is automatically evil.

For instance, I probably side more with Trump than Biden in terms of my attitude towards the immigration issue however I am horrified in the way that it is being carried out.

I also fall on the side of the idea that women should be protected when it comes to playing sports and that trans men do not have a place competing against women. Of course, as difficult as this issue is I do not want to demean trans men in the process.

I am for the idea of cleaning up budgetary waste (an idea long overdue) but I think DOGE overstepped in many ways.

Hamas attacks bus in Gaza

Hamas "brutally attacked" a bus carrying the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) staff to a distribution site near the southern city of Khan Yunis on Wednesday night, killing at least five, the US-backed charity said.

"There are at least five fatalities, multiple injuries and fear that some of our team members may have been taken hostage," GHF said in a statement. The five killed staff members are Palestinian.

“We condemn this heinous and deliberate attack in the strongest possible terms,” GHF said. “These were aid workers. Humanitarians. Fathers, brothers, sons, and friends, who were risking their lives everyday to help others.”

The killings early Wednesday were carried out by the Hamas Sahm police unit, which Hamas claims it established to combat looting.

You antiIsrael Hamasophiles need to pay attention.

(06-12-2025 08:11 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  You antiIsrael Hamasophiles need to pay attention.

Who are you referring to, specifically? And would the above be ad-hominem?

Seems to me you've devolved to the level of trolling and drive-by posting.

summer of far left activism

The gods of intersectionality must be beaming down upon America right now. As if by clockwork, the Mexican flags – the most potent symbols of the anti-ICE protests now convulsing the nation – have been joined by…what else?….Palestinian flags and other totems of Gazan liberation. It’s an almost inevitable co-branding of arch-Left ideologies.

The encroachment of pro-Palestinian elements into the anti-anti-migrant riots parallels a nascent – yet similar – alignment between pro-Palestine movement and the #blacklivesmatter.

While actual #BLM flags have yet to join their Mexican and Palestinian counterparts on America’s chaotic city streets, the protestors are clearly taking their cues from #BLM’s summer of rage following the death of George Floyd five years ago. As the New York Post reported this week, one key supporter of the current anti-ICE protests, the Party for Socialism and Liberation, has also backed #BLM protests.

For the moment, at least, the melding of migrants and the Palestinian cause appears to be the most worrisome. Kaffiyeh-clad rioters, faces covered in masks and carrying various Palestinian-related paraphernalia, have attacked police cars and hurled Molotov cocktails in both Los Angeles and New Orleans this past week. This is the globalising of the intifada. Thousands of anti-Israel protesters have long demanded it – except it’s now taking place right here in America.





The media is unlikely to maintain this ignorance for much longer. Honest Reporting has identified that leading anti-Zionist groups such as Students for Justice in Palestine and Within Our Lifetime have urged their members to support, if not directly join, the anti-Trump protests.

"Anti-Trump" protests? Not the pro-illegal immigrants protests? Apparently others also think the goal of the sponsors of these "protests" are to damage our President.

(06-12-2025 08:18 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:11 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  You antiIsrael Hamasophiles need to pay attention.

Who are you referring to, specifically? And would the above be ad-hominem?

Seems to me you've devolved to the level of trolling and drive-by posting.

"Oh GoodOwl... it's SO REFRESHING to have a back and forth without any insulting language! It is SIMPLY DIVINE! Why oh why can't all conversations here be so lovely?"

(06-12-2025 08:24 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  summer of far left activism

The gods of intersectionality must be beaming down upon America right now. As if by clockwork, the Mexican flags – the most potent symbols of the anti-ICE protests now convulsing the nation – have been joined by…what else?….Palestinian flags and other totems of Gazan liberation. It’s an almost inevitable co-branding of arch-Left ideologies.

The encroachment of pro-Palestinian elements into the anti-anti-migrant riots parallels a nascent – yet similar – alignment between pro-Palestine movement and the #blacklivesmatter.

While actual #BLM flags have yet to join their Mexican and Palestinian counterparts on America’s chaotic city streets, the protestors are clearly taking their cues from #BLM’s summer of rage following the death of George Floyd five years ago. As the New York Post reported this week, one key supporter of the current anti-ICE protests, the Party for Socialism and Liberation, has also backed #BLM protests.

For the moment, at least, the melding of migrants and the Palestinian cause appears to be the most worrisome. Kaffiyeh-clad rioters, faces covered in masks and carrying various Palestinian-related paraphernalia, have attacked police cars and hurled Molotov cocktails in both Los Angeles and New Orleans this past week. This is the globalising of the intifada. Thousands of anti-Israel protesters have long demanded it – except it’s now taking place right here in America.





The media is unlikely to maintain this ignorance for much longer. Honest Reporting has identified that leading anti-Zionist groups such as Students for Justice in Palestine and Within Our Lifetime have urged their members to support, if not directly join, the anti-Trump protests.

"Anti-Trump" protests? Not the pro-illegal immigrants protests? Apparently others also think the goal of the sponsors of these "protests" are to damage our President.

Dude, you do realize that you are quoting a conservative author who is critical of the protests and not some spokesperson for the protesters? Yes?

(06-12-2025 08:26 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:18 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:11 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  You antiIsrael Hamasophiles need to pay attention.

Who are you referring to, specifically? And would the above be ad-hominem?

Seems to me you've devolved to the level of trolling and drive-by posting.

"Oh GoodOwl... it's SO REFRESHING to have a back and forth without any insulting language! It is SIMPLY DIVINE! Why oh why can't all conversations here be so lovely?"

You guys have now completely buried the lede. I didn't see this story elsewhere, but if Hamas DID 'attack' humanitarian aid workers, this is a pretty major black eye for its supporters... and rather than obfuscate the issue, you should be talking about it... because I KNOW that none of you would support such an act... that ALL of you know that such an action would damage the suppfor the protests... that it would be in direct conflict (once again, doing what one accuses others of doing) with what Hamas previously claimed that Israel did...

so why the focus on burying the lede??

If you're NOT an anti-Israel hamasophile, why do you feel compelled to respond as if you are?? Surely you admit that these people exist, right?

(06-12-2025 09:51 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:26 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:18 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:11 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  You antiIsrael Hamasophiles need to pay attention.

Who are you referring to, specifically? And would the above be ad-hominem?

Seems to me you've devolved to the level of trolling and drive-by posting.

"Oh GoodOwl... it's SO REFRESHING to have a back and forth without any insulting language! It is SIMPLY DIVINE! Why oh why can't all conversations here be so lovely?"

You guys have now completely buried the lede. I didn't see this story elsewhere, but if Hamas DID 'attack' humanitarian aid workers, this is a pretty major black eye for its supporters... and rather than obfuscate the issue, you should be talking about it... because I KNOW that none of you would support such an act... that ALL of you know that such an action would damage the suppfor the protests... that it would be in direct conflict (once again, doing what one accuses others of doing) with what Hamas previously claimed that Israel did...

so why the focus on burying the lede??

If you're NOT an anti-Israel hamasophile, why do you feel compelled to respond as if you are?? Surely you admit that these people exist, right?

OO’s post was directed to anti-Israel hamasophiles. If he’s directing it at amyone here, then it’s ad-hominem and trolling, and deserving of being called out for that. If he is sincerely addressing anti-Israel hamasophiles, then he’s posting in the wrong forum.

As for the substance of the article, you have said yourself that we are all in agreement. What’s to discuss?

(06-12-2025 09:51 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:26 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:18 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:11 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  You antiIsrael Hamasophiles need to pay attention.

Who are you referring to, specifically? And would the above be ad-hominem?

Seems to me you've devolved to the level of trolling and drive-by posting.

"Oh GoodOwl... it's SO REFRESHING to have a back and forth without any insulting language! It is SIMPLY DIVINE! Why oh why can't all conversations here be so lovely?"

You guys have now completely buried the lede. I didn't see this story elsewhere, but if Hamas DID 'attack' humanitarian aid workers, this is a pretty major black eye for its supporters... and rather than obfuscate the issue, you should be talking about it... because I KNOW that none of you would support such an act... that ALL of you know that such an action would damage the suppfor the protests... that it would be in direct conflict (once again, doing what one accuses others of doing) with what Hamas previously claimed that Israel did...

so why the focus on burying the lede??

If you're NOT an anti-Israel hamasophile, why do you feel compelled to respond as if you are?? Surely you admit that these people exist, right?

OO is clearly referring to people on this forum. You do see the difference between his typing "You antiIsrael Hamasophiles need to pay attention" versus "I think those antiIsrael Hamasophiles out there should pay attention."?

Sorry if people here took umbrage at being called supporters of Hamas. That's a pretty wretched accusation and perhaps your time is better spent getting after OO about that accusation rather than getting after us for responding to his ad hom.

Honestly... I don't think we need to chime in about how bad it sucks if Hamas really did attack aid workers. Do you really need to hear us declare our position on this attack? "Hey... put me on the record as being opposed to murdering aid workers!"?

(06-12-2025 10:32 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 09:51 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:26 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:18 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:11 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  You antiIsrael Hamasophiles need to pay attention.

Who are you referring to, specifically? And would the above be ad-hominem?

Seems to me you've devolved to the level of trolling and drive-by posting.

"Oh GoodOwl... it's SO REFRESHING to have a back and forth without any insulting language! It is SIMPLY DIVINE! Why oh why can't all conversations here be so lovely?"

You guys have now completely buried the lede. I didn't see this story elsewhere, but if Hamas DID 'attack' humanitarian aid workers, this is a pretty major black eye for its supporters... and rather than obfuscate the issue, you should be talking about it... because I KNOW that none of you would support such an act... that ALL of you know that such an action would damage the suppfor the protests... that it would be in direct conflict (once again, doing what one accuses others of doing) with what Hamas previously claimed that Israel did...

so why the focus on burying the lede??

If you're NOT an anti-Israel hamasophile, why do you feel compelled to respond as if you are?? Surely you admit that these people exist, right?

OO is clearly referring to people on this forum. You do see the difference between his typing "You antiIsrael Hamasophiles need to pay attention" versus "I think those antiIsrael Hamasophiles out there should pay attention."?

Sorry if people here took umbrage at being called supporters of Hamas. That's a pretty wretched accusation and perhaps your time is better spent getting after OO about that accusation rather than getting after us for responding to his ad hom.

Honestly... I don't think we need to chime in about how bad it sucks if Hamas really did attack aid workers. Do you really need to hear us declare our position on this attack? "Hey... put me on the record as being opposed to murdering aid workers!"?

You have a valid point - why is the board moderator, of all people, criticizing the people calling out a poster for ad-hominem more than he's criticizing the one posting ad-hominem? Not that it rises to the level of moderator action required or anything - but, still, the moderator siding with the person posting ad-hominem is not a good look.

(06-12-2025 10:36 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 10:32 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 09:51 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:26 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:18 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Who are you referring to, specifically? And would the above be ad-hominem?

Seems to me you've devolved to the level of trolling and drive-by posting.

"Oh GoodOwl... it's SO REFRESHING to have a back and forth without any insulting language! It is SIMPLY DIVINE! Why oh why can't all conversations here be so lovely?"

You guys have now completely buried the lede. I didn't see this story elsewhere, but if Hamas DID 'attack' humanitarian aid workers, this is a pretty major black eye for its supporters... and rather than obfuscate the issue, you should be talking about it... because I KNOW that none of you would support such an act... that ALL of you know that such an action would damage the suppfor the protests... that it would be in direct conflict (once again, doing what one accuses others of doing) with what Hamas previously claimed that Israel did...

so why the focus on burying the lede??

If you're NOT an anti-Israel hamasophile, why do you feel compelled to respond as if you are?? Surely you admit that these people exist, right?

OO is clearly referring to people on this forum. You do see the difference between his typing "You antiIsrael Hamasophiles need to pay attention" versus "I think those antiIsrael Hamasophiles out there should pay attention."?

Sorry if people here took umbrage at being called supporters of Hamas. That's a pretty wretched accusation and perhaps your time is better spent getting after OO about that accusation rather than getting after us for responding to his ad hom.

Honestly... I don't think we need to chime in about how bad it sucks if Hamas really did attack aid workers. Do you really need to hear us declare our position on this attack? "Hey... put me on the record as being opposed to murdering aid workers!"?

You have a valid point - why is the board moderator, of all people, criticizing the people calling out a poster for ad-hominem more than he's criticizing the one posting ad-hominem? Not that it rises to the level of moderator action required or anything - but, still, the moderator siding with the person posting ad-hominem is not a good look.

It doesnt, but good to point that out.

In Ham's defense (amazing that, coming from me) Ham is private individual. Who posts here. And happens to be moderator.

I think the better issue is if Ham sided with a flagrant ad hom in that manner.

On a light one like this, imo Ham has every right to be in his 'private person' mode. And I think it proper to read his comment there, given the lightness, as that of his private view.

If not, I would hazard a guess that Ham shouldnt respond to a full 15 - 20% of comments at all. Which really doesnt seem equitable. I wouldnt want the above to be normalizing Ham being disallowed to be speaking in his private mode.

Of course, this post might be a violation in the strictest sense of commenting on mod policies. And if so, absolutely glad to take the warning ding.

(06-12-2025 10:36 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 10:32 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 09:51 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:26 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:18 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Who are you referring to, specifically? And would the above be ad-hominem?

Seems to me you've devolved to the level of trolling and drive-by posting.

"Oh GoodOwl... it's SO REFRESHING to have a back and forth without any insulting language! It is SIMPLY DIVINE! Why oh why can't all conversations here be so lovely?"

You guys have now completely buried the lede. I didn't see this story elsewhere, but if Hamas DID 'attack' humanitarian aid workers, this is a pretty major black eye for its supporters... and rather than obfuscate the issue, you should be talking about it... because I KNOW that none of you would support such an act... that ALL of you know that such an action would damage the suppfor the protests... that it would be in direct conflict (once again, doing what one accuses others of doing) with what Hamas previously claimed that Israel did...

so why the focus on burying the lede??

If you're NOT an anti-Israel hamasophile, why do you feel compelled to respond as if you are?? Surely you admit that these people exist, right?

OO is clearly referring to people on this forum. You do see the difference between his typing "You antiIsrael Hamasophiles need to pay attention" versus "I think those antiIsrael Hamasophiles out there should pay attention."?

Sorry if people here took umbrage at being called supporters of Hamas. That's a pretty wretched accusation and perhaps your time is better spent getting after OO about that accusation rather than getting after us for responding to his ad hom.

Honestly... I don't think we need to chime in about how bad it sucks if Hamas really did attack aid workers. Do you really need to hear us declare our position on this attack? "Hey... put me on the record as being opposed to murdering aid workers!"?

You have a valid point - why is the board moderator, of all people, criticizing the people calling out a poster for ad-hominem more than he's criticizing the one posting ad-hominem? Not that it rises to the level of moderator action required or anything - but, still, the moderator siding with the person posting ad-hominem is not a good look.

Pots, kettle. I have been the target of dozens, if not hundreds, of ad hominems over the years, from many of the same people feigning distress here. Never complained to the mods, only action I ever took was to put some of those people on Ignore. X, Tanq, 93. Search the archives, you will find them in abundance.

It was a generalization, based on the adage that one is known by the company they keep. Elsewhere on this forum I recently posted that if the enemy of your enemy is your friend, then the anti-Trump crowd has a lot of "friends" they would rather not acknowledge, including Hamas. Hamas is not a friend of Trump's. It was directed at antiTrumpers and anti-Israelers everywhere, as they are defacto supporting Hamas, as are the rioters. Why are anti-ICE protesters waving Palestinian flags and wearing kaffiyahs? Because the target is Trump.

Why are we having a NO Kings day on Flag Day? Nobody has tried to be King, nobody has expressed an ambition to be King. When things have not gone Trump's way, he turns to the courts, per our Constitution. The King thingie is just a product of leftist fevered imagination and leftist mind reading gone terribly astray.

But I will bet we have a lot of flags burned on Flag Day.

(06-12-2025 11:25 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  It was directed at antiTrumpers and anti-Israelers everywhere, as they are defacto supporting Hamas, as are the rioters.

Your assertion that anyone opposed to Trump is a Hamas supporter is a flat-out false dichotomy. It fails the logic test, and you keep repeating it, and building your arguments on it.

(06-12-2025 11:25 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 10:36 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 10:32 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 09:51 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:26 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  "Oh GoodOwl... it's SO REFRESHING to have a back and forth without any insulting language! It is SIMPLY DIVINE! Why oh why can't all conversations here be so lovely?"

You guys have now completely buried the lede. I didn't see this story elsewhere, but if Hamas DID 'attack' humanitarian aid workers, this is a pretty major black eye for its supporters... and rather than obfuscate the issue, you should be talking about it... because I KNOW that none of you would support such an act... that ALL of you know that such an action would damage the suppfor the protests... that it would be in direct conflict (once again, doing what one accuses others of doing) with what Hamas previously claimed that Israel did...

so why the focus on burying the lede??

If you're NOT an anti-Israel hamasophile, why do you feel compelled to respond as if you are?? Surely you admit that these people exist, right?

OO is clearly referring to people on this forum. You do see the difference between his typing "You antiIsrael Hamasophiles need to pay attention" versus "I think those antiIsrael Hamasophiles out there should pay attention."?

Sorry if people here took umbrage at being called supporters of Hamas. That's a pretty wretched accusation and perhaps your time is better spent getting after OO about that accusation rather than getting after us for responding to his ad hom.

Honestly... I don't think we need to chime in about how bad it sucks if Hamas really did attack aid workers. Do you really need to hear us declare our position on this attack? "Hey... put me on the record as being opposed to murdering aid workers!"?

You have a valid point - why is the board moderator, of all people, criticizing the people calling out a poster for ad-hominem more than he's criticizing the one posting ad-hominem? Not that it rises to the level of moderator action required or anything - but, still, the moderator siding with the person posting ad-hominem is not a good look.

Pots, kettle. I have been the target of dozens, if not hundreds, of ad hominems over the years, from many of the same people feigning distress here. Never complained to the mods, only action I ever took was to put some of those people on Ignore. X, Tanq, 93. Search the archives, you will find them in abundance.

Most of us use ad homs here from time to time. I know I have (usually when prompted by ad homs being thrown my way however perhaps I have been the first to throw stones on some occasions).

However, OO is the only one here who acts like he doesn't use them and calls out others for using them. The reality is that he is typically the one to initiate the use of ad homs but his skin gets paper thin when they are volleyed back in his direction.

Pure hypocrisy. It doesn't matter but its a bad look to constantly use them while crying about them at the same time.

(06-12-2025 09:51 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:26 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:18 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 08:11 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  You antiIsrael Hamasophiles need to pay attention.

Who are you referring to, specifically? And would the above be ad-hominem?

Seems to me you've devolved to the level of trolling and drive-by posting.

"Oh GoodOwl... it's SO REFRESHING to have a back and forth without any insulting language! It is SIMPLY DIVINE! Why oh why can't all conversations here be so lovely?"

You guys have now completely buried the lede. I didn't see this story elsewhere, but if Hamas DID 'attack' humanitarian aid workers, this is a pretty major black eye for its supporters... and rather than obfuscate the issue, you should be talking about it... because I KNOW that none of you would support such an act... that ALL of you know that such an action would damage the suppfor the protests... that it would be in direct conflict (once again, doing what one accuses others of doing) with what Hamas previously claimed that Israel did...

so why the focus on burying the lede??

If you're NOT an anti-Israel hamasophile, why do you feel compelled to respond as if you are?? Surely you admit that these people exist, right?

I think frizz's comment apt. Simply note it as the ad hom that it is intended. And properly file it away as a thin based generalized troll with a large amouont of angst and frustration embedded in that trollbait.

And, with due respect Ham, we absolutely do know "that these people exist". That isnt the point that 'they do exist'. They do. The point is that it being used in a trollish fashion. Which is aptly being pointed out as such.

(06-12-2025 11:31 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(06-12-2025 11:25 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  It was directed at antiTrumpers and anti-Israelers everywhere, as they are defacto supporting Hamas, as are the rioters.

Your assertion that anyone opposed to Trump is a Hamas supporter is a flat-out false dichotomy. It fails the logic test, and you keep repeating it, and building your arguments on it.

Pay attention.

Insert defacto in front of Hamas. The effect of a united front against Trump is to help each faction individually, but each faction does not necessarily support another.

I'll turn it around on myself, for clarity. Some white supremacists support Trump. I support Trump. Now, using your logic, you might say I support white supremacy. I do not. I oppose white supremacy. But my support of Trump might indirectly aid their cause, whether I support it or not. After all, I helped him get elected by casting my vote.