(02-28-2025 11:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 10:34 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:41 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Flight logs prior to the original 2008 conviction of Epstein dont mean as much as those who associated with Epstein AFTER 2008. And flight logs where a person travelled to Epstein island AFTER 2008 are particularly damning.

For personal character and optics, of course. But that alone would not amount to any sort of illegal activity that the FBI would necessarily be concerned with.

And before you go there, no, I'm not excusing anyone who associated with that creep after they knew of his sexual proclivities.

I have to admit, I am not in disagreement with Tom here. The flight log in itself will be enough to get an indictment, but they are going to need additional evidence such as fact witness testimony, financial records, etc to get a conviction. It’s not going to be easy. I am sure the parties were very cautious so that money can’t be directly tied back to them and witnesses aren’t always reliable, have poor memories, aren’t credible, etc.

That being said the flight logs will be a start. A lot of discovery will have to take place to seal the deal.

I can't imagine the trump DOJ or FBI putting that much manpower and expense into such an investigation. It would take years and tons of money for no guaranteed convictions of anyone.

Says the guy who was all for the purely politically motivated investigations of Trump that wasted MILLIONS of dollars and years of time. ALL of them.

(02-28-2025 11:15 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 11:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 10:34 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 09:41 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Flight logs prior to the original 2008 conviction of Epstein dont mean as much as those who associated with Epstein AFTER 2008. And flight logs where a person travelled to Epstein island AFTER 2008 are particularly damning.

For personal character and optics, of course. But that alone would not amount to any sort of illegal activity that the FBI would necessarily be concerned with.

And before you go there, no, I'm not excusing anyone who associated with that creep after they knew of his sexual proclivities.

I have to admit, I am not in disagreement with Tom here. The flight log in itself will be enough to get an indictment, but they are going to need additional evidence such as fact witness testimony, financial records, etc to get a conviction. It’s not going to be easy. I am sure the parties were very cautious so that money can’t be directly tied back to them and witnesses aren’t always reliable, have poor memories, aren’t credible, etc.

That being said the flight logs will be a start. A lot of discovery will have to take place to seal the deal.

I can't imagine the trump DOJ or FBI putting that much manpower and expense into such an investigation. It would take years and tons of money for no guaranteed convictions of anyone.

Says the guy who was all for the purely politically motivated investigations of Trump that wasted MILLIONS of dollars and years of time. ALL of them.

There might be video evidence on these folks. For that matter, Epstein himself may still be alive.

(02-28-2025 11:16 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 11:15 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 11:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 10:34 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  For personal character and optics, of course. But that alone would not amount to any sort of illegal activity that the FBI would necessarily be concerned with.

And before you go there, no, I'm not excusing anyone who associated with that creep after they knew of his sexual proclivities.

I have to admit, I am not in disagreement with Tom here. The flight log in itself will be enough to get an indictment, but they are going to need additional evidence such as fact witness testimony, financial records, etc to get a conviction. It’s not going to be easy. I am sure the parties were very cautious so that money can’t be directly tied back to them and witnesses aren’t always reliable, have poor memories, aren’t credible, etc.

That being said the flight logs will be a start. A lot of discovery will have to take place to seal the deal.

I can't imagine the trump DOJ or FBI putting that much manpower and expense into such an investigation. It would take years and tons of money for no guaranteed convictions of anyone.

Says the guy who was all for the purely politically motivated investigations of Trump that wasted MILLIONS of dollars and years of time. ALL of them.

There might be video evidence on these folks. For that matter, Epstein himself may still be alive.

You might have something there. Yall remember the drones episode? Remember that the gubmint wasn't putting much stock in all this? Y'all also remember that Epsteins murder died down pretty fast and the gubmint also didn't put much stock into this either? It was because they knew he was still alive and probably enjoying some warm waters in another country with plastic surgery to hide from.

Just my theory.

If there were more real evidence against Trump than the stuff we've already seen I have zero doubts it would have leaked out under the Biden admin. I am highly skeptical we actually get anything close to the real unredacted documents, but the reason won't be over them trying to cover for Trump.

I think SDNY destroyed the evidence.

(02-28-2025 12:25 PM)hburg Wrote:  I think SDNY destroyed the evidence.

I hate to say it, but that's looking like a possibility. And no, it wouldn't surprise me either.

(02-28-2025 12:25 PM)hburg Wrote:  I think SDNY destroyed the evidence.

What should the repercussion of that be if true?

(02-28-2025 12:49 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 12:25 PM)hburg Wrote:  I think SDNY destroyed the evidence.

What should the repercussion of that be if true?

They should all be fired and brought up on obstruction of justice charges. Plain and simple.

(02-28-2025 12:52 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 12:49 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 12:25 PM)hburg Wrote:  I think SDNY destroyed the evidence.

What should the repercussion of that be if true?

They should all be fired and brought up on obstruction of justice charges. Plain and simple.

But you have to prove it. Lots of powerful people connected to Epstein.

makes you wonder if they were accomplices in the rape of girls and boys...? them trying to stage a mutiny, destroying evidence if true, perhaps proves their guilt.

Overshadowed by the current kerfuffle, but nothing new here?

Yea, this is really starting to smell like that old college bar with the stale smoke and PBR soaked floors.

The one with the "FREE BEER TOMORROW!" sign on the wall.

Bondi/Patel can't whiff on this one right out of the gate, esp since it's directly in their chain of command. Not some local sheriff tampering with evidence or something.

(02-28-2025 12:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 12:52 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 12:49 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 12:25 PM)hburg Wrote:  I think SDNY destroyed the evidence.

What should the repercussion of that be if true?

They should all be fired and brought up on obstruction of justice charges. Plain and simple.

But you have to prove it. Lots of powerful people connected to Epstein.

Of course. That goes without saying. But talking about doing something and taking action are two entirely different things. By charging them with obstruction of justice as well as other crimes that they may have potentially committed after a proper investigation, you're making them (at least in theory, anyway) answer for what they may or may not have done. You're getting them on record, and that's the whole point.

(02-28-2025 12:49 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(02-28-2025 12:25 PM)hburg Wrote:  I think SDNY destroyed the evidence.

What should the repercussion of that be if true?

Hang em high

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