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Could Realignment, As We Have Known It, End In A Silent Set Of Consolidations?
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RE: Could Realignment, As We Have Known It, End In A Silent Set Of Consolidations?
(03-02-2025 11:11 PM)The Beaver Wrote:  A gutting of the ACC would require either their own consent or an ending to those court cases. And we'd definitely hear that leak out early. And even if it does, there's always going to be the next one up, arguing that the leagues should actually have 22 teams, etc.

AND the teams at the top are going to discuss break-aways, league mergers, leagues eating eachother, addition by subtraction, government intervention against an NCAA breakaway, et. AND TV could "die" to be fully replaced by streaming in the next decade or so, reshuffling priorities again.

Wings of a butterfly, no way to really say whats gonna happen, but it isn't gonna be quick and it isn't gonna be silent.
It can be handled internally by ESPN, and I'll take "Things which happen out of Consent for $500 please Alex?" They are in a position to honor contracts, move schools, transfer exit fees, and eliminate any real monetary damages which are what GORs are for. No punitive damages can be tagged to a GOR. And you bet if it was handled in house among executives, the commissioners involved, and the presidents it can be done and simply announced without all the talk. Say hello to Texas and Oklahoma. The story broke but the deal was done except for formalities, so it was simply announced. How the news broke to the Chronicle was a set of loose lips at one school. Hard, but not impossible, and not if the parties involved reaches consensus in a secured setting. The deal will be done and then the news will hit. We'll know in the next year or two.
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RE: Could Realignment, As We Have Known It, End In A Silent Set Of Consolidations?
(03-02-2025 11:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-02-2025 11:11 PM)The Beaver Wrote:  A gutting of the ACC would require either their own consent or an ending to those court cases. And we'd definitely hear that leak out early. And even if it does, there's always going to be the next one up, arguing that the leagues should actually have 22 teams, etc.

AND the teams at the top are going to discuss break-aways, league mergers, leagues eating eachother, addition by subtraction, government intervention against an NCAA breakaway, et. AND TV could "die" to be fully replaced by streaming in the next decade or so, reshuffling priorities again.

Wings of a butterfly, no way to really say whats gonna happen, but it isn't gonna be quick and it isn't gonna be silent.
It can be handled internally by ESPN, and I'll take "Things which happen out of Consent for $500 please Alex?" They are in a position to honor contracts, move schools, transfer exit fees, and eliminate any real monetary damages which are what GORs are for. No punitive damages can be tagged to a GOR. And you bet if it was handled in house among executives, the commissioners involved, and the presidents it can be done and simply announced without all the talk. Say hello to Texas and Oklahoma. The story broke but the deal was done except for formalities, so it was simply announced. How the news broke to the Chronicle was a set of loose lips at one school. Hard, but not impossible, and not if the parties involved reaches consensus in a secured setting. The deal will be done and then the news will hit. We'll know in the next year or two.

The GoR is between the ACC schools themselves, it requires a majority of ACC schools to agree to changing or ditching it, maybe even a supermajority. And with only 6 spots open they aren't getting that. You want them to, your source wants them to, maybe even people in ESPN want them to, but long-term doing so is deleterious to their interests and they know it, so they aren't doing it. Now if FSU and Clemson break the deal open in court then yeah, they don't actually have to negotiate with ACC leaders (who would, of course, be the ones leaking it just like A&M were the ones to leak the Texas move that they hated.)
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RE: Could Realignment, As We Have Known It, End In A Silent Set Of Consolidations?
(03-03-2025 12:23 AM)The Beaver Wrote:  
(03-02-2025 11:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-02-2025 11:11 PM)The Beaver Wrote:  A gutting of the ACC would require either their own consent or an ending to those court cases. And we'd definitely hear that leak out early. And even if it does, there's always going to be the next one up, arguing that the leagues should actually have 22 teams, etc.

AND the teams at the top are going to discuss break-aways, league mergers, leagues eating eachother, addition by subtraction, government intervention against an NCAA breakaway, et. AND TV could "die" to be fully replaced by streaming in the next decade or so, reshuffling priorities again.

Wings of a butterfly, no way to really say whats gonna happen, but it isn't gonna be quick and it isn't gonna be silent.
It can be handled internally by ESPN, and I'll take "Things which happen out of Consent for $500 please Alex?" They are in a position to honor contracts, move schools, transfer exit fees, and eliminate any real monetary damages which are what GORs are for. No punitive damages can be tagged to a GOR. And you bet if it was handled in house among executives, the commissioners involved, and the presidents it can be done and simply announced without all the talk. Say hello to Texas and Oklahoma. The story broke but the deal was done except for formalities, so it was simply announced. How the news broke to the Chronicle was a set of loose lips at one school. Hard, but not impossible, and not if the parties involved reaches consensus in a secured setting. The deal will be done and then the news will hit. We'll know in the next year or two.

The GoR is between the ACC schools themselves, it requires a majority of ACC schools to agree to changing or ditching it, maybe even a supermajority. And with only 6 spots open they aren't getting that. You want them to, your source wants them to, maybe even people in ESPN want them to, but long-term doing so is deleterious to their interests and they know it, so they aren't doing it. Now if FSU and Clemson break the deal open in court then yeah, they don't actually have to negotiate with ACC leaders (who would, of course, be the ones leaking it just like A&M were the ones to leak the Texas move that they hated.)

I don't want anything. And a sober assessment of one's situation is all any administrator can give. Therefore, they will make each for themselves the best deals they can make. They know their value. If they lose no current value that's as good as it gets with a promise to fill the slots of any departing with new members at the same rate of pay. Who it is up to is indeed ESPN. Product placement is the sorting of products offered by brand value with the intent of gaining greater notice for the whole line of product by placing the most popular products in proximity. And those products will come grouped as premium, reliable, and cost point. In our new world it will be premium and reliable, cost point will be streamed.

Did you ever work contracts, move different tiers of product, or negotiate compromises? There are win, win situations. Now you make some big assumptions about what ESPN will and won't do. Where's your evidence aside from your opinion. ESPN has followed a very definite pattern for nearly 25 years in how they assemble property. Do your homework instead of bothering me. Look at their total market area for their contracted conferences, examine how they have attained market dominance in that rather large quarter of the U.S.

Then try to grasp some understanding of how each of the SEC and ACC were used to acquire that product, not to mention half of the Big 12 rights. ESPN had no problem shuffling top brands from their half owned Big 12 to the SEC. They got what they wanted from the leased rights in the PAC 12 when the 4 corners joined the Big 12.

You also know little of the events surrounding the inner workings in 2010-1 and problems that were created for ESPN by the refusal of one of the conferences to cooperate with what they wanted at the time.

If ESPN can control all of their major markets with the movement of 4 to 6 ACC properties, raise the viewership of all involved with those moves, and grow their must-see inventory improving ratings at all time slots, why would they not do this? Especially when they still keep the rest at the same lower price point.

Want to know why most of the Big 10 pundits have whiffed on these moves? It's because everything is judged by the Big 10 means of operation. This is and has been a different animal, a Mickey Mouse.

The "want" here is from those outside of the SEC who don't want to believe it is possible, who cherished the idea of landing Texas, and now North Carolina and Virginia.

I like my track record Beaver. PAC 12 schools to the Big 10, the end of amateurism, the acquisition of Texas and Oklahoma, and perhaps soon the breakaway of the upper tier, and a new hoops tournament. I would love to claim that they were my thought creations, but instead they are a compilation of things that people in the know have talked about for 50 years.

When there is more money to made, and if nobody has to lose, even though all will not gain, there is always a way. It is the nature of business. And those controlling the future of the game are in business.

What I wanted was to keep the 10 team SEC. I was around for Georgia Tech and Tulane, but aside from missing one of Auburn's annual rivals, I understood why each left and was good at 10. What I've been doing for almost 2 decades has been pointing out how the game was suffering a hostile corporate takeover, which it has and then what was spoken of by folks I knew in the process has slowly, but virtually fully emerged over the last 25 years.

In the early 70s there was talk about a super league. The TV money couldn't justify the travel as the NCAA limited the payouts to about 2 million a school per year. OU/UGa vs NCAA in 1983 changed that outlook, but nobody was sure how it would pay out, not the schools, the conferences, or the networks. So, initial contracts were a little better than double and grew quickly. Turning into officially a business and hiring TV contract lawyers as commissioners instead of former ADs became the tipping point to larger and larger payouts. With the playoff now expanding there's plenty of money on the table for the moves (210 million to move 6) and if they monetize the hoops tournament that improves payouts to the schools x 6 for the tourney as the proceeds would be fully split and paid out in one year instead of 6.

Now pump the court cases into the mix and you get those who truly want to compete at the highest level begging for the opportunity. Do you think for a second ESPN wants to lose FSU and Clemson? I don't. If they force them to take stay put until 2031 it will hurt their position with regard to recruiting and NIL. Wait until 2036 and it's lethal. My point is that where there is great need and the desire of a network to keep those schools in the fold, things can happen. Time is compressed now. I don't think it will take more than 2 years. We'll see.

But "want" paisan has nothing to do with it. Watching it rankle so many who want to believe anything but the truth and who have vehemently denied the nature of what has and is happening and denying who it is that is determining it all, is a little sociology project of mine. I wondered how much change people could take if it hit what they believed in (faith), or what they cherished as an identity icon (schools). I think faith suffered because of societal pressure which caused divisions. I was disappointed over that decline because society needs places in which they can galvanize mores and set standards for behavior and relationship formation. But with the important institutions as another societal touchstone and point of common reference all I've seen thus far is denial. It's changed to be sure, but the cohesiveness of the fan bases at least has remained. It's as if they collectively ignore the change, which is actually hopeful. What they do which is destructive is to blame the other conferences for what has happened when in reality it has mostly been change encouraged by the networks through the promise of....more money. But alas, you can't find a CEO to vent upon. It's much easier hating the other conference even though in their own way they are victims as well and their core identity has been altered. It will take Oklahoma longer to graft into the SEC than Texas. Texas is united again with all of its old SWC foes plus OU. OU has only Texas. But both will assimilate quicker than Arkansas did because it was a complete overhaul for the Hogs. South Carolina had been an orphan so they willingly bonded sooner.

If the networks have learned anything it is that it is more profitable to keep rivals together. Clemson and FSU would be uniting with their biggest rivals. The reason I've spoken of 24 is because UNC, N.C. State, Duke, Virginia, and Virginia Tech are a unit. I would toss in Georgia Tech if Georgia didn't carry the super majority of the state on their own. No part of them will be happy in the SEC or Big 10. In the end ESPN will have to decide that one. That's where inventory required enters the picture. 24 can almost cover it for either ESPN or FOX & partners.
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RE: Could Realignment, As We Have Known It, End In A Silent Set Of Consolidations?
(03-03-2025 01:30 AM)JRsec Wrote:  I like my track record Beaver.
In the year I've been here your track record has been convincing half of the board that Kansas was on deck for the next round of SEC expansion. How has that worked out? Because in my somewhat limited time here I don't see a great track-record, not over any of the other knowledgable posters here. Now, much like AztecGolfer you clearly have good sources but from a single place and you aren't looking at what the other players want, what abilities they have, what leverage they do and don't have.
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RE: Could Realignment, As We Have Known It, End In A Silent Set Of Consolidations?
(03-03-2025 01:43 AM)The Beaver Wrote:  
(03-03-2025 01:30 AM)JRsec Wrote:  I like my track record Beaver.
In the year I've been here your track record has been convincing half of the board that Kansas was on deck for the next round of SEC expansion. How has that worked out? Because in my somewhat limited time here I don't see a great track-record, not over any of the other knowledgable posters here. Now, much like AztecGolfer you clearly have good sources but from a single place and you aren't looking at what the other players want, what abilities they have, what leverage they do and don't have.
Really, Kansas was in my field of 24. Weak sauce there from you. What the board needed to know about Kansas was that they are second only to Notre Dame in the Wall Street Journal valuation, have solid ratings for basketball, bring an iconic brand, and fit well with the new SEC West and provide Missouri a rival. Where do I have them in the pecking order? 23rd or 24th unless the move to 20 was just with AAU basketball schools from new states: Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Kansas. But as a whole it is North Carolina, a buddy of UNC, Clemson and FSU if you want market dominance in every state South of North Carolina and Kentucky, which ESPN has and wants to maintain.

As to other players there is one. I acknowledge what the Big 10 wants but already know what they aren't likely to get. Believe me I've had enough Big 10 sunshine blown in my face here but what have you landed??? We got A&M and Missouri and you picked up Rutgers and Maryland. We got Oklahoma and Texas and you doubled down in L.A. and then added Oregon and Washington. They are all solid schools and solid adds, but outside of USC and UW which don't compare to UT and OU in earnings the SEC got what it wanted. Did you? Now the question is why did the SEC get what it wanted? ESPN isn't giving away rights it currently controls to FOX. Your minor coup there was Maryland, but at the time the play was for Virginia and Georgia Tech in hopes of landing UNC, which in 2010 was asking Slive if Duke could come along too. There may be people in the administration at UNC that want the Big 10, but there aren't among donors and or many of the fans. And in the end it boils down to a business decision and the customer base is comprised of fans and donors. No successful business alienates its customer base. Therefore, there is nothing to consider.

I suspect that Notre Dame still would lean heavily if forced to choose to the Big 10. I think Virginia is a toss up but would be persuaded if they could stay with Duke and UNC. The N. C. Universities System will make a tough case for N.C. State. And those circumstances are why those schools either choose to remain together in the ACC, or seek to move together. The academic growth they represent for the SEC presidents is strong. The issue is ESPN has to figure out how to monetize Virginia and N.C. State to make that happen. UNC & Va Tech less so. And Duke is a question mark. I think that's why you have the Big East merger rumors. They pack plenty of punch in hoops, not much at all in football.

Everything that has been in the news points to ESPN trying to work things out behind the scenes and Big East / ACC merger is an interesting angle, especially if you want the main body of the ACC and N.D. to stay together while 2 to 4 take a hike. In comes U.Conn, USF, possibly Memphis and Tulane or another West Coast school or two. We'll see. But in business if there's a profit to be had, there is a team working out a compromise to make it.


Now so far what I've seen from you is a lot of conjecture and hot air. But I've given you some space to establish yourself.
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Not sure there is enough value, but a thought--Big 10 takes 10 and becomes two 14 team conferences with cross-conference games.

Big 10 classic-Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan St., Michigan, Ohio St., Penn St., Maryland, Rutgers
New Big 10-USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal, Colorado, Miami, FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA, Notre Dame, Duke.

All but FSU and Clemson of the additions are AAU. New Big 10 has 7 western and 7 eastern which helps in non-rev sports. 8 conference games, so you get everyone 2 in 4 years and can have 3 every year rivals. 2 cross-conference games, but with the option of an exception for FSU, Clemson, UNC and Iowa who will have rivals out of the group, and Notre Dame because they are Notre Dame.

SEC stands pat at 16. Big 12 takes Louisville to get back to 16. ACC still has SMU, Georgia Tech, NCSU, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, Pitt, Syracuse and BC. They add UConn, USF, Memphis and Tulane to get back to 12.
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(02-19-2025 07:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-19-2025 06:03 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-18-2025 12:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-17-2025 02:24 PM)XLance Wrote:  It has always appeared to me that the B1G has always placed a lot of emphasis on "market", while the SEC has been more concerned with brand.
While the overall realignment conditions have changed, these focal points for each conference have remained key in their decision making.

I'm just not sure that the B1G or the SEC will make their next membership choices solely based on how much money a school has in the bank.

If the Big 10 doesn't make it based on money it will be because once again FOX thwarted them in favor of markets/total potential viewers, as they did by limiting the pay for Oregon and Washington in order to cut off pursuit of Stanford and Cal. But part of that was that FOX's partners CBS (always stingy) and NBC (which really just wanted N.D.) were reticent to bite off more.

The SEC/ACC has had the benefit of being in the fastest growing region of the country and that means they could stay regional and grow market share naturally. ESPN is on board with this completely. It is why I expect as consolidation continues their approach will be to keep it regional and that lines up with the SEC's natural desires.

ESPN has also seen the ability to play brand on brand within its larger grouping of schools under contract. It will boost the value of its major ACC brands by brand association with those of the old SWC/B12 and SEC as that is really all the Big 10 is trying to do now under FOX's direction. It's just that their attempts have to be national in nature because the regional approach can't contain the brands needed to keep pace.

But to take that to the next move for value that is why the two groups would form some kind of League. Build two large groups of brands, wrap them in a natural North / South tagged rivalry, and make sure you can schedule enough crossover games to keep the public's interest. There's your mini NFL.

Both FOX and ESPN are seeking market penetration and packaging the market leaders to get it. They disguised this process as "Conference Growth" initially and used their various carrots to get the mule to move. Subscription Footprint for Cable TV, Market footprint tier 3 networks, and then Smart TV made them adjust that once more to actual eyeballs. You enhance the value of North Carolina, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and Duke by grouping them with programs that already command more actual eyes on the product.

If the Big 10 presidents have any resolve left in them Stanford will eventually be in the Big 10. If not, it might well be an Arizona school, or a school from a large DMA like Georgia Tech or Miami. But I don't think ESPN lets that happen and the acquisition of SMU to prevent a DFW school from being incorporated into the Big 10's national market plan was pretty clear.

So here we are on the precipice of a new order of things in collegiate sports. ESPN has the best hand and is simply rearranging how it looks at its cards and I doubt they sluff any large DMAs from their well assmembled region to FOX. We'll see.

If I were a TV exec, I probably would have passed over the Bay Area too. The only reason the ACC took them in was because Notre Dame twisted the ACC's arm, and they were picked up for a song.

ESPN put a band-aid on their empire by extending the ACC's contract, but are now obligated to pay the 17 team league through 2036.
The threat to that empire; the lawsuits brought by FSU and Clemson that still hang like the Sword of Damocles.

The next few years are going to be very interesting.

I would be very surprised if the extension was completed without assurances being given to those two schools and to UNC/N.C. State. ESPN has something up their sleeve that they aren't willing to talk about just yet.

Sankey in each of his last public appearances has reiterated the conference's satisfaction with 16 schools. That's so cliche in advance of more movement that it is almost code. When the SEC is doing nothing, they say nothing. When they are planning something, they make protestations to the contrary. It's farcical at this point.

ESPN won't be losing any content, just rearranging it and grouping it by value. What Stanford and Cal give ESPN are a couple of late-night Saturday games which are wholly theirs if they choose to air them on a network platform instead of streaming. Taking SMU insured limited access to DFW for FOX. Pro Rata now assures them that they can backfill without losing money on the ACC contract and without having to add it for the SEC's contract and they likely had a projected number of schools in mind when the SEC contract was signed.

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RE: Could Realignment, As We Have Known It, End In A Silent Set Of Consolidations?
Am I crazy thinking about this as a potential future realignment that satisfies the B1G and SEC (they seem to be working together right now)?

SEC gets UNC, UVA, FSU, Clem, Duke, Kansas

B1G gets Miami, GT, Stan, ND

I would think ND losing half the ACC, and majority of the teams they value, this might force their hand, but maybe I'm underestimating their desire for FB independence after this hypothetical realignment. SEC gets more BB brands and expands their territory while getting a bigger footprint into FL. B1G gets Stanford as another excellent west coast addition along with a southeast presence with GT and Miami, which, in theory, should be enough to lure in ND. I'm sure ND fans will disagree and argue for either forming their own conference or going to the Big East while going fully in FB.

Why 22 teams instead of 20 or 24? Under this current scheduling format (well presumably 2026), both leagues can maintain their 9 game conference schedule ensuring everyone is played at least once every 3 years with up to 3 protected annual rivals (with flex protect, teams playing less than 3 annual rivalries can play 4, 8, or 12 teams 3x in 6 years based on whether 2, 1, or 0 rivalries are protected). Then there's 1 game for the B1G-SEC scheduling agreement, which gets expanded with the conferences expanding (some teams can still opt out to play in-state rivalries, if they desire to play them while maintaining 7 home games). After that, teams have 2 games with the G6 for 7 home games.

Maybe this expansion to 22 doesn't happen all at once, but in a couple phases (maybe Stan & ND with Duke & Kansas are later on to allow the B1G & SEC to gradually integrate teams), and maybe there's a 3rd phase for 24, but I think 22 could be the absolute max unless there's major change to CFB, which is certainly possible.
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(03-06-2025 01:18 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Am I crazy thinking about this as a potential future realignment that satisfies the B1G and SEC (they seem to be working together right now)?

SEC gets UNC, UVA, FSU, Clem, Duke, Kansas

B1G gets Miami, GT, Stan, ND

I would think ND losing half the ACC, and majority of the teams they value, this might force their hand, but maybe I'm underestimating their desire for FB independence after this hypothetical realignment. SEC gets more BB brands and expands their territory while getting a bigger footprint into FL. B1G gets Stanford as another excellent west coast addition along with a southeast presence with GT and Miami, which, in theory, should be enough to lure in ND. I'm sure ND fans will disagree and argue for either forming their own conference or going to the Big East while going fully in FB.

Why 22 teams instead of 20 or 24? Under this current scheduling format (well presumably 2026), both leagues can maintain their 9 game conference schedule ensuring everyone is played at least once every 3 years with up to 3 protected annual rivals (with flex protect, teams playing less than 3 annual rivalries can play 4, 8, or 12 teams 3x in 6 years based on whether 2, 1, or 0 rivalries are protected). Then there's 1 game for the B1G-SEC scheduling agreement, which gets expanded with the conferences expanding (some teams can still opt out to play in-state rivalries, if they desire to play them while maintaining 7 home games). After that, teams have 2 games with the G6 for 7 home games.

Maybe this expansion to 22 doesn't happen all at once, but in a couple phases (maybe Stan & ND with Duke & Kansas are later on to allow the B1G & SEC to gradually integrate teams), and maybe there's a 3rd phase for 24, but I think 22 could be the absolute max unless there's major change to CFB, which is certainly possible.

At 22, I'd say that is likely. I still see reasons (rivalries that need to be preserved for the SEC, DMAs to be reached for the Big 10 which would justify 24 which also allows for a better selection of games from the inventory. In that world I can see 11 ACC schools being taken by the Big 10 and SEC. I think that an Arizona school and Colorado might be attractive to the Big 10 and Kansas to the SEC for Missouri's sake, and to add branding and history to its basketball.

And let's not forget that the next sport to be fully monetized will be basketball and the tournament revenue will be distributed annually and completely, instead of in 6-year installments. So taking a few basketball first schools helps with your football win/loss bell curve and builds your Winter lineup value. More money is more money.

Finally the fact that a settlement has been reached and that the SEC and Big 10 are in talks about the future and kicking around a scheduling agreement, means that FOX and ESPN are quite well positioned to settle much if not all of this in house which strengthens my OP that it may simply remain extremely quiet until all if it is released at once, possibly including a merger of the remaining ACC and Big 12 schools plus perhaps an addition or two from the G5.
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RE: Could Realignment, As We Have Known It, End In A Silent Set Of Consolidations?
SEC in a 3X24 P3 with all rivalry games and other interesting games protected could look like this. Annual conference crossovers in blue, annual P3 OOC in red, and annual G5 rivals in green. The other two conferences will be in separate posts.

SEC divisions:
Alabama..........Auburn, Clemson
LSU................Georgia, Texas A&M
Ole Miss..........Arkansas, Memphis
Mississippi St...Arkansas
Tennessee.......Kentucky
Vanderbilt.......Duke

Georgia...........LSU, South Carolina, Georgia Tech
Auburn............Alabama, Florida State
Florida.............Florida State, UCF
UNC................NC State, Wake Forest, App State
Duke...............Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech
Virginia............Virginia Tech, Maryland

Oklahoma........Clemson, Oklahoma State
Texas..............Notre Dame, Texas Tech
Texas A&M.......LSU
Missouri...........Nebraska
Arkansas.........Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Memphis
Kansas............Kansas State

Clemson...........Alabama, Oklahoma
Florida State.....Florida, Auburn, Miami
NC State..........UNC, Wake Forest, ECU
Virginia Tech.....Virginia
South Carolina..Georgia
Kentucky..........Tennessee, Louisville
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Big Ten divisions:

Ohio State..........Oregon, Michigan, Cincinnati
Wisconsin...........Iowa, Minnesota
Northwestern......
Indiana..............
Purdue...............
Illinois...............

Michigan............Ohio State
Iowa.................Wisconsin, Iowa State
Minnesota..........Wisconsin
Michigan State....Penn State
Nebraska...........Missouri
Colorado...........Arizona, UCLA, Arizona State, Utah

Penn State........Michigan State, Pitt
Notre Dame......USC, Stanford, Texas, Navy
Miami...............Washington, Florida State
Georgia Tech.....Georgia, Duke
Maryland..........Virginia, West Virginia
Rutgers............Syracuse

Oregon.............Ohio State, Oregon State
Washington.......Miami, Washington State
USC................. Notre Dame
UCLA................Colorado, California
Stanford...........Notre Dame, California
Arizona............Colorado, Arizona State
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RE: Could Realignment, As We Have Known It, End In A Silent Set Of Consolidations?
Big ACC divisions:

Utah...................Colorado
Washington St.....Washington
Arizona State.......Arizona, Colorado
California............Stanford, UCLA
BYU....................Boise State
Oregon State.......Oregon

Kansas State........Kansas
Oklahoma State...Oklahoma
Baylor.................TCU
Iowa State..........Iowa
Texas Tech..........Texas
Houston..............SMU, Tulane

TCU....................Baylor
Memphis.............Ole Miss, Arkansas
UCF....................Florida, USF
Wake Forest........Boston College, NC State, UNC
SMU...................Houston
Tulane................Houston

Louisville............Kentucky
West Virginia......Maryland
Pitt...................Penn State
Cincinnati..........Ohio State
Boston College...Wake Forest
Syracuse...........Rutgers
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