Quote:It seems like this issue keeps coming around after every election; the side that loses calls for a national divorce, that is, or just for certain states to leave the union. In the latest such example, following the Republican wins in the 2024 election, New York state Senator, Liz Krueger, a Democrat from New York City, is proposing that the state of New York secede from the Union - and join Canada.

Yeah, that's not happening.

New York state legislators have hinted at using unusual tactics to combat the incoming Trump administration, including holding back federal taxes and leaving the United States to join Canada.

State Sen. Liz Krueger, a prominent Democrat from New York City who is also the chairwoman of the state Senate Finance Committee, proposed the ideas as state Democrats only have weeks to counter President-elect Donald Trump before he takes office.

Krueger believes such thinking is warranted.

“It’s not unreasonable to think outside of the box,” Krueger told Politico.

Were this a television documentary, this would be the point where the narrator would chime in, "It was unreasonable to think outside the box." The thing about this box is, for all its troubles, it's still a pretty good box and a better one than the box to our north.

But the fun bit is the reason that Senator Krueger wants to secede.

While New York becoming a Canadian province could be a fairytale ending for Krueger, the state withholding federal taxes is only slightly more likely. The state senator hinted at such an idea if Trump chooses to send less federal funding to New York, something he has suggested if some cities won't work with federal immigration authorities.

Trump's "border czar," former ICE Director Tom Homan, has put Trump's previous threat into more concrete terms, saying he will block federal funding for states that don't cooperate.

"That's going to happen. I guarantee you," Homan said.

A complete block of federal funding would leave New York $85 billion in the hole. As Krueger suggested, they could make up those funds by sending less in the hundreds of billions of tax dollars it receives.

This isn't a fight that Senator Kruger can win. New Yorkers are not going to up and leave for Canada over illegal immigrants. Granted, if one looks at it strategically, the Republican should encourage New York in this, especially since Senator Krueger is talking about taking Connecticut, Massachusetts, and Vermont along for the ride. The removal of New York's electoral votes would swing presidential elections to the right, and removing these states would shift the balance of Congress, as well.

Maybe Senator Krueger can talk California into going along?

Honestly, though, this is an idea that's going nowhere.

But it is illustrative to see the lengths to which Trump Derangement Syndrome drives people. This New York politician is literally advocating for breaking states away from the Union because Tom Homan is stating that he will enforce the law - namely, immigration laws - laws that are in the legitimate enforcement portfolio of the federal government's Executive Branch, who as of January 20th, will be headed up by - you guessed it - Donald Trump.

Senator Krueger is willing to do this to protect people who are not in the country legally, and who are costing the taxpayers of New York state and New York City millions of dollars.

That's nuts.

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Well....bye

Not willing to give up ALL of Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, Maryland, etc.

But there are certain parcels of land I would gladly hand over to Canada or whoever wants them.

How is that not Sedition?

Let them

They ain’t leaving without taking a New York size piece of the national debt with them. Ironically back 25 or so years ago Quebec threatened to leave Canada and form its own nation. Then the discussion started about Quebec’s portion of the national debt and the exit ideas just went away.

Yes, they should secede. But, before they go transport every ILLEGAL there. Sanctuary state needs to have a moral obligation when it comes to virtue signaling. Practice what you preach and stop sending Illegals back to Texas and elsewhere hypocrites.

(11-27-2024 09:47 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  They ain’t leaving without taking a New York size piece of the national debt with them. Ironically back 25 or so years ago Quebec threatened to leave Canada and form its own nation. Then the discussion started about Quebec’s portion of the national debt and the exit ideas just went away.

At this point I would take on the debt to get Texas away from those entitled blue states. Shedding those deadbeats would be glorious and with our natural resources that debt would clear up in no time.

(11-27-2024 09:30 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  How is that not Sedition?

Because leftists are above the law. They run the government, media, and academia.

(11-27-2024 09:57 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  Yes, they should secede. But, before they go transport every ILLEGAL there. Sanctuary state needs to have a moral obligation when it comes to virtue signaling. Practice what you preach and stop sending Illegals back to Texas and elsewhere hypocrites.

If they ever stopped being hypocrites they wouldn’t be liberals….

(11-27-2024 09:30 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  How is that not Sedition?

Yeah, too bad Tanq isn't here to explain it to us idiots.

I bet that holding back Federal tax collections would not equal the amount of federal aid they get. Kinda one of them Tarif deals.

I say let them try that.

(11-28-2024 06:58 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-27-2024 09:30 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  How is that not Sedition?

Yeah, too bad Tanq isn't here to explain it to us idiots.

Quote:If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

(11-27-2024 04:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Well....bye

Not without slapping 100% tariffs on them.

F
Them
Running

(11-28-2024 04:05 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(11-28-2024 06:58 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-27-2024 09:30 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  How is that not Sedition?

Yeah, too bad Tanq isn't here to explain it to us idiots.

Quote:If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Uh, that was sarcasm. I already knew the answer, lol. You would have to be double stupid not to know that.

(11-28-2024 06:18 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-28-2024 04:05 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(11-28-2024 06:58 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-27-2024 09:30 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  How is that not Sedition?

Yeah, too bad Tanq isn't here to explain it to us idiots.

Quote:If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Uh, that was sarcasm. I already knew the answer, lol. You would have to be double stupid not to know that.

I know, I’m just filling in for the poor guy while he’s in time out, sparkles

(11-28-2024 06:53 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(11-28-2024 06:18 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-28-2024 04:05 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(11-28-2024 06:58 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-27-2024 09:30 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  How is that not Sedition?

Yeah, too bad Tanq isn't here to explain it to us idiots.

Quote:If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Uh, that was sarcasm. I already knew the answer, lol. You would have to be double stupid not to know that.

I know, I’m just filling in for the poor guy while he’s in time out, sparkles

That was too cogent a reply for Clarence. And too brief. And not pompous enough.

You need to work on that.