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(05-31-2021 07:17 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(05-30-2021 10:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-30-2021 04:50 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(05-29-2021 09:23 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Here's a 4D chess move: ND joins as an ACC member in full .... for four years. This triggers a renegotiation of the contract. The ACC gets brought up to market price. ND, in turn, gets higher payouts along with everybody else in the ACC. ND effectively halts the realignment pressure on the ACC, thus stabilizing the landscape, and reassuring its ability to be an independent after four years. All non-FB sports at ND get exactly what they want: An ACC that is stable and they're full members of.

Compromise:

Notre Dame stays an independent in football, keeps their approx 5 ACC games/year agreement.

Once the current NBC deal expires, Notre Dame's football rights move to the ACC/ESPN. All football media revenue is split 15 ways (since ND is involved for all ACC games, home and away, as well as all Notre Dame home games, the media revenue skyrockets). Notre Dame will continue to get access to the ACC's bowl agreements, including the Orange Bowl (if Notre Dame is ranked ahead of the ACC representative in the Orange Bowl in the final CFP standings, they go to the Orange Bowl instead). However, Notre Dame must share their bowl revenue with the rest of the conference (and they get a share of everyone else's).

Notre Dame gets to keep their independence but the ACC gets more of the benefits of the Fighting Irish and Notre Dame loses its preferential treatment. Last season, I believe Notre Dame and the ACC shared media revenue, including the NBC revenue. If the ACC ever got a chance at bargaining power vs. Notre Dame again like they did in 2020, this is what I would demand.

ND is likely to renew the NBC deal around 2023 or so.

That is what they have done since the original NBC deal in 1991.

(It has never put the contract out for bid)

It likes the OTA nature of NBC (so all ND fans coast/coast can view) and especially likes the dedicated time slots.

Would ESPN guarantee the 2:30 p.m. Saturday time slot for most ND home games ?

If so, and if it wants to outbid NBC, then maybe.

(My money is on an early NBC renewal)

Well of course my proposal benefits the ACC more than Notre Dame. If Notre Dame can get dedicated time slots for all of its games, even MAC/FCS games, why wouldn't they? If Notre Dame can keep all its home game TV revenue and bowl game revenue for themselves, why wouldn't they?

But if you're a full ACC member, you don't like that. If you're anyone in college football not named Notre Dame, you don't like that Notre Dame gets preferential treatment. Alabama will have one of its home games on ESPN+ this year and has to share its Playoff revenue with 13 other teams. They can appear on CBS a maximum of five times, most of the rest of their games will only be available on cable (Miami will be on ABC). Why is Notre Dame more special than Alabama, a team that destroyed them last year in the Playoff and is more popular than they are? If I had my way, Notre Dame would be like everyone else and I'll bet most full ACC member fans would agree with me.

Well, of course anything you post would be against ND's best interests. I fully expect that from you

But why in the hell would ND voluntarily agree to something that is less of a benefit to it than the status quo, pray tell?

If Jack Swarbrick did that, he would be rightfully fired in about ten minutes.

ND is not getting "special" treatment.

It is independent and has its own TV deal because it can, because it is able to do so in the capitalistic market, because a network thinks it is worth it.

That is America, isn't it? The free market and all? Happy Memorial Day !!

Why would ND voluntarily give that up? Nobody else would give up things that benefit it.

Do you really expect that to happen or are you just throwing out garbage due to personal bias?

Should Alabama voluntarily give up the SEC money and join CUSA? Should Clemson join the Sun Belt?

If I posted that, people would claim that I was posting nonsensical jibberish. They would be correct.

If Alabama doesn't like the SEC deal, it can go independent. That is its choice.

Again, free will and free market. Free choice. I don't begrudge Alabama or Ohio State for their TV deals. They should make as much as they can.

Every school operates in its own best self interest. ND believes its self interest is best served keeping football independent with its own TV contract.

(It doesn't care that you disagree or you don't like that)

Other schools think their own self interest is best served by placing football in a conference. That is the only difference.

If Penn State had the ability to be a football independent, could garner its own TV contract and thought it more beneficial, it would still be one.

If ND thought being in a football conference was in its best interests, it would be in one.

Then, you and I would be on opposite sides of this argument, so get off your sanctimonious high horse already.

History matters. That is how we have gotten here, after all. The Big Ten caused this whole ND independence thing in the first place.

Why do you only want ND to give up what it has built up and earned over decades?

ND fans don't care what you or what other fans think. Why should they? Do other fans have ND's best interests at heart?

If not, then why in the hell should ND care what they think?

This is business, not some feel good society.

I think Penn State ought to go independent and see if it can garner its own TV deal.

If I had my way, Penn State would be in the MAC (and I was born/raised in Pennsylvania).

If you are so concerned about the ACC, lobby the people in State College to leave the Big Ten and join the ACC.

That would benefit the ACC a lot. Why won't Penn State do that? Are they more "special" than Clemson?

Nobody expects Penn State to do something which costs it money or exposure or other benefits, but you want ND to do just that.

Look, I have despised Penn State football for over 50 years (there was no bigger whiner and hypocrite in football than Joe Paterno), but you don't see me on message boards bitching about its status and suggesting that it do something against its own interests.

ND and the ACC have contracts in place, negotiated at arms length by sophisticated parties with lawyers, accountants and TV advisors, etc.

Its a business deal, pure and simple.

All parties knew what the deal entailed. Full disclosure. Everyone signed off on the deal.

That deal is in place until 2037. Until then (or unless a P4 champs only playoff happens), ND will stay as is, thank you, your "feelings" to the contrary.

P.S. ND doesn't keep its bowl revenues. All ACC minor bowl monies (ND included) are shared.

P.P.S. ND has its own deal with the Orange Bowl. Its isn't that advantageous to ND, but nobody on the Irish side is bitching about this. There is no need to include ND in the ACC Orange Bowl deal.