(05-18-2022 12:54 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  This bit at the end is why I asked if you'd read his manifesto... You keep asking me questions about his influences and motivations. I wonder where that could be found...

So once again, you ignore 90% of my post and focus on the only point you seem to want to hammer... and that is that I need to answer my own question, perhaps because you realize that every time you open your mouth, you say something you then have to walk back.

No, to the above... I asked you about your conclusion... I did not ask you what he claimed. I asked you to point out the key phrases that stuck out to you to make you draw your conclusion. The only one you've put forth is incredibly weak... which is why I asked.

It seems that your conclusion is much more based on YOU and what YOU think, and not what HE said. That's why I asked the question.... and likely why you avoided answering it.

Quote:It makes a lot more sense to take the ramblings of this dude as his word to understand what his motivations were, than to ignore them completely and just shrug our shoulders and go "crazy gonna crazy."

I didn't ask you what his motivations were. He's a racist POS. That's his motivation. No shrugging of the shoulders. It makes a lot LESS sense to take someone whom you yourself have described as 'having a screw loose' and acting as if his 'ramblings' (again, your word) will make any logical sense. I've never once read a 'manifesto' from a mass murderer and thought to myself... 'well, this guy had a point'.

Quote:He represents the ultimate conclusion of white nationalist ideology. Do you disagree with that?

And NOW we get to YOUR point. It is your belief that you can't be racist without having an ultimate goal of genocide. I disagree... PARTICULARLY if you believe in any form of 'systemic' racism. The Asian population is a great example. There is significant belief in the superiority or inferiority of the various cultures... and yet only rarely is genocide the answer by anyone. More often, it is some sort of serf-dom... as it was in the US... and in Europe.... and in many other places.

The problem is, you can't take away free speech that you disagree with unless you claim that it somehow leads to mass murder... despite the statistics against that. It's not that difficult these days for someone to take a gun into a place where people of any of a number of cultures gather and start shooting... yet it still is an infrequent thing. Horrible when it does happen to be sure, but hardly a frequent thing. If this were the 'ultimate conclusion of white nationalist ideology', I'd expect one of two things. 1) an admission that this ideology doesn't have nearly the breadth that is claimed or 2) much more frequent acts. Since people like you can't remotely accept 1 and you can't demonstrate 2, you have to claim that it is 'boiling just below the surface' and also create all sorts of 'guilt by association' in order to concentrate power... all the while, deflecting from the **** show of an economy that is likely a VASTLY larger driver of things like this than anything in his manifesto.

I never said 'crazy's gonna crazy'. That's once again just you arguing in the absurd. Assigning a statement to me or others that we never made in order to make our points seem less valid.

Closer to what we said was... and you've already admitted... even though you now once again try and walk it back...

You have to have a screw loose to commit mass murder. If you have a screw loose, the things that DRIVE you to that point won't necessarily make sense to a logical person. They will jump the shark quite often... and it is this leap that separates them from others who may share many of their thoughts and beliefs, but they aren't crazy.

I know of PLENTY of people who are so against abortion that they will scream their lungs out at others, calling them the worst names possible... but not ONE of them bombs an abortion clinic. I know people who will throw paint on someone wearing a fur and berate them unmercifully, but they won't kill anyone.

THAT is the crazy part... and you want to ignore that chasm that YOU SAID YOURSELF requires a loose screw... and it is because this allows you to associate millions more people with the acts of a few seriously disturbed people.