(05-17-2022 05:17 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 05:01 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 04:42 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I think it's interesting that we are being accusing of being spoonfed by the MSM about the connection of this shooting to white nationalism whereas the immediate counterpoints to that argument (It's because he was in favor of gun control!!/It's because he was an environmentalist!!!) came straight from right wing sources.

Unless you guys independently came up with those relatively out-there opinions on your own....

You misstate --- there is no claim about 'spoonfeeding by the MSM about the connection of this shooting to white nationalism'. No doubt there is a connection to WN.

What is being spoonfed is what an urgent, widespread problem these types of shootings are. You know, what you have been hyping for the better part of a day and a half.

*yawn* I guess I need to post this again:

"The point of my original post was not that white extremist violence is the worst problem facing America in 2022. It was pointing out that you guys seem to ignore the significant amount of right wing extremist murders/violence while treating Antifa as if they were Al-Queda."

Quote:The paucity of murderous acts by WN doesnt seem to make it into the stories that you seemingly prefer to regale us with about the urgent, moral issue that is WN violence. Facts that are somewhat important to the issue of whether it is and should be an urgent, breathless, moral debate on an issue that is ticking RIGHT NOW.

"The point of my original post was not that white extremist violence is the worst problem facing America in 2022. It was pointing out that you guys seem to ignore the significant amount of right wing extremist murders/violence while treating Antifa as if they were Al-Queda."

Quote:Facts as to what is in the manifesto are that -- facts. Excuse the **** out of facts in that sense.

Except that the "facts" about gun control in the manifesto are certainly not facts. They are confusing and could just as easily support his opposition to gun control.

Quote:An additional issue is what is never addressed: the reverse polarity --- the Waukesha and Frank James stories have been shitcanned. Apparently it is much more proper to get people worked up over is on the traditional story of racial asymmetry, where WN kills blacks and browns and they continue to do so in an upbeat tempo of racially unjust policies at work. In that filter, the black nationalist violent acts dont get nearly the same breathless exhortations.

They seem to be much, much less frequent. Believe me... in terms of self-interest I will be just as up-in-arms over them if they become increasingly prevalent...

If there were significant acts of WN violence and murder you might be on to something in your defense above.

We have discovered that in terms of murder, WN acts are about 1/1000 of that population -- probably about 1/10,000 of that population when you look at violence promulgated *for* WN purposes, as opposed to *by* WN.

But you seemingly think they acts *by* WN is equivalent to acts *in furtherance* of WN.

But you repeat the trope of TV on what an overriding concern it is. When the facts indicate that it isnt. And still seemingly do when you equate either branch ('by' or 'for') to literally hundreds of riot nights and many, many, many more acts of street violence by antifa.

No matter how you wish to slice it, your urgent overriding moral issue to equate the two seemingly falls flat.