(05-17-2022 12:06 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 12:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  30-50 killed by dogs, and the number is increasing. I wonder if the dogs were motivated by AKC propaganda.

The point of my original post was not that white extremist violence is the worst problem facing America in 2022. It was pointing out that you guys seem to ignore the significant amount of right wing extremist murders/violence while treating Antifa as if they were Al-Queda.

29 murders among 20 - 30,000 is a "significant amount"? Seriously?

No one is 'ignoring' it as much as you are 'blowing it up' in scope.

But now I see we are back to you mixing and matching, and now using "murders/violence" when you previously said 'murders', and after you retreated from 'violence' to solely 'murder'.

If you want to compare, compare ideological based violence to ideological based violence. Antifa is a highly organized, and seeks out specific targets with violence -- lots of it. 200+ days of rioting in Portland alone, not to mention the rumbles that it has instigated in highly numerous jurisdictions on many multiple occasions.

You seek to equate that targeted ideological violence now with numbers that include numerous white on white violence, non-ideological based violence, and simply prison gang **** from people that hold a philosophical viewpoint.

If you were honest, you would compare ideological based violence to ideological based violence. But you do not.

What you do do is swallow the **** the media has spouted, and repeated it in the way that all your cohorts would be proud of you for saying.

When pressed, you change 'violence' to 'murder', and then change 'murder' to 'murder/violence'. Then you throw out numbers that include a vast majority of non-ideological violence, and then seemingly refuse to acknowledge that smorgasbord being proffered. When confronted with ideological black nationalist high casualty count event -- you say that you arent presently concerned.

Are WN good people? Dont know, seem rather scummy to me. This isnt a defense of their ideology nor of their actions in this respect. But what you have done is made a broad-based attempt to equate (actually make better) the very concentrated and very directed antifa violence with comparisons first to violence, then to murders. When denoting the very low numbers of murders *by* WNs, you then lump them all into the same boat as apparently all ideology based -- they arent. A small number and small amount of that even small amount of violence is ideology-driven.

A subset of 29 murders *by* members a group into a smaller number of murders *because* of their philosophy is the great step you seem to miss in your apples to bananas comparison.

But, as I noted earlier, to you it is always about race and racial justice. In this case, the objective numbers are incredibly small. Even smaller when you make the proper adjustment to compare numbers *because* a cause to other numbers *because* a cause.

You want to say that 7 or 8 or 10 murders a year is so much *worse* than the continued specific, directed, and explicitly targeted rioting and mayhem that follows Antifa like the cloud surrounding PigPen in the Peanuts strip? Got it.