(02-24-2022 05:20 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 04:59 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 04:48 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I think I've been pretty clear here that I'm no fan of Biden. But how would things have been different with Trump as President as it pertains to Ukraine?

Didn't Trump run on a platform of "we're not going to get involved in other people's wars!"?

Perhaps he would have been more likely to give assurances that Ukraine wouldn't be joining NATO?

He probably would have. NATO isn't much use in this regard anyway.

Is that a concession that you would have been happy with? How about if that’s what Biden did? Gave away NATO but avoided a Russian invasion. You would have been cheering for him at that point?

Quote:Stationing token U.S. forces in Ukraine at the same time would have made attacking Ukraine more risky at the same time Russia's main grievance was redressed.

I’m not 100% that I follow you. Are you saying that that is what it should’ve been done? We should’ve stationed troops in Ukraine?

Isn’t that exactly the sort of move the Trump said he would not do? Send our troops to get involved in other people’s’ conflicts y

It wasn't a conflict at that point. It's clearly too late now. I don't know if Trump would have done that, but it was certainly an option.

I don't care if Ukraine ever joins NATO or not, and I could be wrong but I don't think Trump did either.

What's the goal here, anyway? To prevent a war in eastern Europe, or to make it more likely? I liked Trump's brand of pacifism better than Biden or NATO's - which to you is more authentic based on actual results?