(01-25-2022 03:08 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 02:24 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 01:54 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 01:49 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Absolutely agree that Biden was in the wrong - POTUS needs to lead with respect.

So why would anyone from the left vote for Biden again? What do you think they will use to 'attack' Trump this time? and why would anyone (other than Democrats, and not even all Democrats) vote for him?

I am reminded that prior to this last election, Biden never got more than about 5% of the vote from Democrats.... even when running for national office.

So obviously they have to run Kamala, right?? Is she demonstrably better in this area??

Why vote for Biden again? I'll address this in relation to this incident and the leading with respect comment.

1) No candidate is perfect and we should expect POTUS's to make mistakes. It is how frequent and how they respond to the mistakes that matter. The fact that he reached out to Doocy afterwards to speak with him and clear the air says a lot about his willingness to mend bridges when appropriate.

2) If Biden was up against a candidate on the right who more frequently or worse acted like an ass, Biden would have the leg up. Let's not kid ourselves that this incident isn't in the same stratosphere as Trump's contentious and disrespectful relationship with the media.

Sorry, you're missing my question....

How do you think the DNC is going to sell him against Trump to people who don't already knee-jerk vote Democrat, which is now required to get to 50.1%? Almost every point of differentiation between Biden and Trump that wasn't based on the political spectrum has been rendered moot.... or at least severely lessened.

I don't think the average voter gives a rats ass about a President's relationship with the media.... and those who thought they did and thus voted for Biden are going to give vastly less weight to it in 2024.

Said differently, it was a swing in the microsegments that put Trump in office. There was a 'counter' swing in those same/similar microsegments that put Biden in office. These are smaller swings... and I'm wondering what your thoughts are (because you're more in tune with the left than I) on how they intend to keep those microsegments from swinging back.

I'll be in a situation once again where I'd really like almost any Republican over Biden, but also over Trump.... and may not have a choice but to hold my nose and vote for him. His personal failings and attitudes are going to be less important because even if 'better', Biden isn't 'enough better' to matter to 'some' people.

I don't want to choose between Trump and a Democrat. I don't know who I'm going to get if not Trump, but right now in a poll, I'd support that unknown person... and my concern is that these failings of Biden, and more importantly the 'parsing of immaterial (to most of these swing people) details' in Democrat's 'explaining' why Biden's gaffes are okay, but Trump's weren't concerns me that I'm going to get Trump again...

I'm not really interested in whether or not you agree with this assessment... because what I'm trying to do is investigate what I see as my risk.... and my risk is that Democrats run Biden again and I have to vote for Trump. At least as of now, I don't see Harris doing nearly as well as Biden did... so if they punt Biden, I probably get to vote 3rd party.... which I'm okay with.

I think it's less me missing your question and more you not stating it well... but I appreciate the explanation.

I thought Biden wouldn't be the Dem nominee in 2024 when he was elected and I still don't think he'll be the nominee in 2024 (or even run). Regardless of his record at the end of his presidency, he is way too damn old already, but will be even older and more worse for wear after 4 years of leading the country. I see it as a slim possibility that Dems run Biden again.

To that, I really don't think it's clear who will be put forth by the DNC come 2024 - Harris would be the "front runner" based solely on her being VP. I have to imagine the DNC is recognizing that they need to run a candidate that can connect better with middle America and the blue collar workers they used to connect better with.