(12-27-2021 03:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 02:03 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 01:58 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 01:12 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(12-27-2021 12:53 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  The raised middle finger was provoked? What did Trump do to provoke her?

The provocation from the bicyclist (or De Niro, or any other bevy of direct 'F-ck Trump' statements all seem to have the same level of 'provokeness' as the dude on the phone.

The phone guy was absolutely an unprovoked attack. As is every single fing tone attack from the left over the 12 years of the last two Republican presidencies, if you hadnt noticed.....

And *that* is your part and parcel stellar distinction now? Seriously?

"Direct and unprovoked"

Not direct or unprovoked.

Since all of the examples are unprovoked, your verbiage dance devolves into direct vs indirect.

That is seemingly your stellar distinction now? Seriously?

Indirect but highly public shitballs are okay, but direct shitballs arent. Interesting distinction to hang hat on.

Yeah, the direct/indirect nature IS the most important thing to me in this instance (which has been abundantly clear).

Except when you try and shoehorn the concept of 'provocation' in as you did above'

Quote:Based on your statements, you're either OK with everyone being an ******* all the time, or you're oddly silent about all the ******** who have been out and about for decades...

Wrong. And wrong.

Quote:Someone screaming "**** Joe Biden" from a crowd isn't exactly cool, but it pales in the disrespect category as compared to someone shaking his hand, having a nice conversation, and saying "**** you" to his face.

How about telling a nationwide television audience at an awards ceremony '**** Biden'? You studiously dont mention those type that happened almost all the time with regards to Bush and Trump.

But to repeat myself, here is my position. The phone caller was absolutely disrespectful in his discourse.

But for the left to rail on a lack of respect in discourse after the explicit and constant course they embarked in with regards to Shrub and Orange Man really makes me gd laugh.

I am not happy that Santa Guy said 'Lets go Brandon'. But for the left to latch onto it given that they are the main driver in the lowering of that discourse level by a few country miles is truly galling, tbh.

Ok? I've never advocated that the left should "latch onto this" or make it a bid deal - I've offered my personal take on this, and that's it. It's become a big deal here because you and George's first response was to comment on how bad the other side is.

I agree that it's not that big of a deal. But OO posted the article here, not me, and I offered my 2 cents.

I'd still argue that this was more of a slap in the face than some celebrity saying "**** Trump," just as it's more of a slap in the face than a NASCAR crowd screaming "**** Biden." Those all fall into those indirect, unprovoked responses that aren't great, but aren't comparable.

As to the provoked/unprovoked - I think this exchange is a good example of where someone can be provoked in a way that doesn't really cross the line in the same way:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/mother-of-...ng-meeting