(10-18-2021 04:06 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-18-2021 03:04 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I mentioned already that there has been a decline in the number of childcare workers, so the supply of childcare providers has decreased.

Quote:Nearly 1.6 million moms of children under 17 are still missing from the labor force. They dropped out during the pandemic to care for children and have not been able to return to work as the school and day-care situation remains chaotic, especially for unvaccinated children under the age of 12. There are still covid outbreaks occurring at schools, and some child-care centers and after-school programs remain closed or they are accepting fewer children....

The numbers are staggering: The child-care services industry is still down 126,700 workers — more than a 10 percent decline from pre-pandemic levels, Labor Department data shows. While many industries complain they can’t find enough workers, the hiring situation is more dire in child-care than in restaurants right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/...kers-quit/

This is an example of 'figures don't lie but liars figure.... and I am 100% speaking of the authors of the article.

as of 10/14 (rounding the numbers)
0-4yr olds make up 900k of the covid cases. They aren't in school either way.
5-11 yr olds make up 1.9mm of the cases. They are mostly all in school now, but weren't before. That's 7 years of kids... and no vaccine for them yet.
12-17yr olds (the CDC conveniently stops at 17, not 18) make up 2.5mm cases... so that's only 6 years of kids and 1/3 more cases??
18-29 yrs old... 8 million cases.

I'd also point out that out of 0-17yr olds don't get that sick, even when they get it.

As of October 9, 2021... it looks like the 'peak' of hospitalizations in the 5-17yr group has been fewer than 70.
The 18-49yr age group is much larger so hard to compare directly, but its peak was around 1300.

My point being that the 'chaos' has mostly been driven by fear mongering and not by any scientific data. These are self-inflicted wounds. How many of those 125,000 missing daycare workers are moms of children themselves?? I'm betting its a WHOLE lot. Add on to that, how many aren't working in their field because they won't get vaccinated?? You think the odds are decent that some of them are working 'off the books' for parents who don't believe in the vaccines?? That's about 20% of the population, and even larger percentages of low income people. Can't vouch for this but https://www.axios.com/covid-vaccines-low...f673c.html

22% REPORT less than 25k. 16% 25-35k and 14.5% 35-50. The exact sort of numbers I've been talking about where the 'cliff' in the tax situation and tax credits is greatest.

As to the 1.6mm moms... There are 25mm kids 12-17 and about the same 0-5 AND 6-11... I don't know if they mean out of just school age kids or not, but its either 1.6mm moms out of 50 or 75mm kids. Even if we assume 3 kids per mom... That's what? 6% of that relatively small portion of the employable population??
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So why the sudden increase/interest? There's been no new taxes or labor laws that would make it more appealing to work off the books.

It's neither sudden nor does it involve new taxes or labor laws. It simply involves changes in the 'cash pay' structure of many businesses as a result of the pandemic and reactions to it. The inputs have changed so the reactions by those affected are different.
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You’re saying 1.6 MM people out of the work force is small potatoes when we’re talking about what, 9 million unemployed people?

I really don’t follow a lot of your argument and number crunching above. Like, the number of child cases is completely irrelevant to whether or not parents had to deal with the reality that schools stopped operating - that is the “chaos” they’re referring to from my perspective.

Then there is the off the books labor, why does it matter if some of those missing laborers have gone off the books? That means they’re still missing from the regular childcare positions that the majority of people are looking to use.

The 1.6 million moms is based on work from the census and for women with school age children: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2...demic.html